Hardware & Technical Adored TV, gets some alledged info on AMD Ryzen 3000 series CPUs and NAVI GPU's

[The Chairmaker]

If this information is correct then it will really put a bomb under the cpu market.

Brief highlights.
Ryzen 3300G APU with 6 cores 12 threads and a 15 CU integrated NAVI graphics chip for $130 ( This IMO will allow 60fps 1080p gaming with integrated graphics. )

Ryzen 7 3700x 12 cores 24 threads 5GHZ boost speed.

Ryzen 9 3850 x (maybe called black edition) 16core 32 thread 5.1 GHZ boost speed.

Navi RX3060 graphics $130 RX580/GTX1060 performance no 6 pin connector required


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[Chris Simon]

Just watched it about an hour ago. It's a leak, so big pinch of salt and all that.

But if they are really coming up with an 5Ghz R7 and if the core counts are accurate, we've got a new market leader and Intel with their 14+++++nm tech can gobury themselves in their corporate monopolized .
I'm looking forward to this.
I was just starting to think about upgrading my CPU (R5 1500X) and thought I'd buy 2600, but it looks like the 3xxx will be here sooner than expected.

 

[Broon]

This couldn't come at a better time for me as I am already planning a Ryzen build in Feb/March of '19. If the price point is reasonably accurate it could mean a 3000 series chip for me. Or maybe it will drive the 2000 series chips down in price just a touch?

Either way I will be watching for the announcement with great interest.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Good news here. AMD seems to confirm its return at the very high level.

 

[avow555]

Putting a new box together soon, liking the spec.

 

[Jon flint]

While the cpu rumors sound really interesting and could hopefully light a fire under the whole cpu market, the Navi leak/rumour is a bit of a let down.

Okay I know it won't be the only Navi part and some will probably be more powerful, but releasing a mid range part that doesn't offer anything above existing parts is exactly what we don't need, we need a 1080ti/2080 competitor at sensible prices.

 

[Chris Simon]

While the cpu rumors sound really interesting and could hopefully light a fire under the whole cpu market, the Navi leak/rumour is a bit of a let down.

Okay I know it won't be the only Navi part and some will probably be more powerful, but releasing a mid range part that doesn't offer anything above existing parts is exactly what we don't need, we need a 1080ti/2080 competitor at sensible prices.

I don't know, Navi 10 looks quite good to me. Right now I'm playing with Vega on water and they clock like crazy. They consume tons of power, yes, but if you can cool them, they go like there's no tomorrow. The TDP on Navi seems to be much improved and if a stock Navi 10 will be comparable to 2070/1080, I think it's a great baseline for lots of fun.

 

[the100thmonkey]

Just watched it about an hour ago. It's a leak, so big pinch of salt and all that.

But if they are really coming up with an 5Ghz R7 and if the core counts are accurate, we've got a new market leader and Intel with their 14+++++nm tech can gobury themselves in their corporate monopolized .
I'm looking forward to this.
I was just starting to think about upgrading my CPU (R5 1500X) and thought I'd buy 2600, but it looks like the 3xxx will be here sooner than expected.

The R5 2600 is a little beast - I'm yet to throw a 120FPS+ GPU into the box (it's a mini-ITX build, so my GTX1070 doesn't fit in the case; it currently drives a GTX960 4GB), but it runs E:D at high/1080p/60Hz just fine and BFV at mid-low/1080p/60 without a hiccup. The CPU market has been pretty stagnant for a while now and it's been possible to get away with a 4c/4t solution, but this is changing. I'm seeing a lot of posts on the BF forums complaining about 4c/4t CPUs and not getting consistent framerates.

While the cpu rumors sound really interesting and could hopefully light a fire under the whole cpu market, the Navi leak/rumour is a bit of a let down.

Okay I know it won't be the only Navi part and some will probably be more powerful, but releasing a mid range part that doesn't offer anything above existing parts is exactly what we don't need, we need a 1080ti/2080 competitor at sensible prices.

AMD's strategy has pretty consistently been to capture the mid-range market, where the vast bulk of the customers are. I took one look at Nvidia's 2070 pricing and immediately clicked away. My thoughts started with "Nvidia can" and finished with "right off".

 

[The Chairmaker]

While the cpu rumors sound really interesting and could hopefully light a fire under the whole cpu market, the Navi leak/rumour is a bit of a let down.

Okay I know it won't be the only Navi part and some will probably be more powerful, but releasing a mid range part that doesn't offer anything above existing parts is exactly what we don't need, we need a 1080ti/2080 competitor at sensible prices.

I think everyone would like AMD to hit the top end as well if only for prestige purposes.

However i think the harsh reality based on history, is that when they have done that in the past, it has not swayed "Elite " gamers to AMD, they have merely waited to got a better deal on NVIDIA products. Consequently AMD were left with premium unsold products they had to heavily discount at a loss to get rid of stock.

I remember when the Radeon 5870 came out back in around 2009. It was way better than what NVIDIA had to offer at launch and for about 9 months after, and was a genuine top tier card. It sold well, but forums were still full of people saying things like "Cant wait for when NVIDIA bring out FERMI" of course that came out was marginally faster but ran very hot 105C and consumed enormous amounts of power. Gamers flocked to it, and it massively outsold the 5870.

Therefore it makes sense for them to target mainstream. Hopefully NAVI will be a very competitive product. That may then tempt some mainstream gamers from NVIDIA. However i would pretty much guarantee that even if NAVI offers 2070 like performance for $250, that the 2070 will out sell the NAVI equivalent by multiples even if its twice as expensive. Its sadly just the way the market operates.

Same also with CPU's. AMD RYZEN 3000 can be an absolute killer product, but when looking at the bigger picture INTEL will massively outsell them. The OEMS who ship to the great unwashed and corporates wont want to risk their supplier relationship with intel.

 

[Space Dandy]

Highly skeptical about the accuracy of this leak, seems they are making huge gains across the board...sounds too good to be true IMO.

 

[Chris Simon]

Highly skeptical about the accuracy of this leak, seems they are making huge gains across the board...sounds too good to be true IMO.

That is true. But to be honest, Jim at AdoredTV isn't often wrong. In fact, he predicted the whole 7nm chiplet + 14nm I/O architecture a whole year before it was announced and he was on spot with so many things over the years that I am inclined to actually believe him.
Naturally he could be wrong. Everybody is, sometimes. But I don't actually find this leak to be THAT hard to believe.

 

[the100thmonkey]

I remember when the Radeon 5870 came out back in around 2009. It was way better than what NVIDIA had to offer at launch and for about 9 months after, and was a genuine top tier card. It sold well, but forums were still full of people saying things like "Cant wait for when NVIDIA bring out FERMI" of course that came out was marginally faster but ran very hot 105C and consumed enormous amounts of power. Gamers flocked to it, and it massively outsold the 5870.

Aye - I remember that.

I had (still have, actually - it's in the cupboard right now) a 5870. It was a beast for BF:BC2.

Therefore it makes sense for them to target mainstream. Hopefully NAVI will be a very competitive product. That may then tempt some mainstream gamers from NVIDIA. However i would pretty much guarantee that even if NAVI offers 2070 like performance for $250, that the 2070 will out sell the NAVI equivalent by multiples even if its twice as expensive. Its sadly just the way the market operates.

Same also with CPU's. AMD RYZEN 3000 can be an absolute killer product, but when looking at the bigger picture INTEL will massively outsell them. The OEMS who ship to the great unwashed and corporates wont want to risk their supplier relationship with intel.

I think Nvidia have budgeted based on the inflation from coin mining. Sure, people are creatures of habit, and brand loyalty is very strong - I've been an Intel/Nvidia customer since the C2Q-6600 and the GTX6*0 series, but I'm really happy with the price/performance equation of Ryzen2/Zen+. Seriously - 6c/12t at 3.4-3.9GHz stock with an unlocked multiplier for less than ¥20,000 is just amazing value, even if you don't overclock. If NAVI offers the kind of performance you mention - 2070 levels (what I consider the sweet spot) - for the 2060/2050 equivalent price point like their CPUs I'll happily jump ship and give AMD my first-born child. It's what I expect Nvidia to ask for next anyway, but they'll also want more money. Power consumption isn't really an issue. I can just unplug the kids' PS4 after I've sold them.

 

[Straha Yeagar]

That is true. But to be honest, Jim at AdoredTV isn't often wrong. In fact, he predicted the whole 7nm chiplet + 14nm I/O architecture a whole year before it was announced and he was on spot with so many things over the years that I am inclined to actually believe him.
Naturally he could be wrong. Everybody is, sometimes. But I don't actually find this leak to be THAT hard to believe.

I am sitting quite happily on a r7 1700 clocked at 4.0ghz right now, but if these numbers are close to correct, the only real question for me would be do I get a 3700x or a 3850x.

 

[Chris Simon]

I am sitting quite happily on a r7 1700 clocked at 4.0ghz right now, but if these numbers are close to correct, the only real question for me would be do I get a 3700x or a 3850x.

I think R9s will be an overkill for normal use. Just like Threadripper is, right now. (though if 3850 is really going to clock over 5GHz, that would change a lot)
But those R5s and R7s around 4.8GHz (imagine the overclocking possibilities) look really really tasty and the core counts are unbelievable. AMD really decided to push the core count strategy. I would SO wish for Intel to eat dirt for keeping up at 4 cores for last 10 years and hindering progress. They are really scrambling to catch up since first Ryzens came out

 

[Caramel Clown]

Those numbers all look incredible...one could almost say - unbelievable. Until we get official confirmation, or even better - independent benchmarks I won't believe it. Even if you'd imagine 7nm process helping with efficiency I think heat generation from something with 16 cores at 5GHz must be massive.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Those numbers all look incredible...one could almost say - unbelievable. Until we get official confirmation, or even better - independent benchmarks I won't believe it. Even if you'd imagine 7nm process helping with efficiency I think heat generation from something with 16 cores at 5GHz must be massive.

Could help reduce heating bill in winter.

 

[Chris Simon]

Those numbers all look incredible...one could almost say - unbelievable. Until we get official confirmation, or even better - independent benchmarks I won't believe it. Even if you'd imagine 7nm process helping with efficiency I think heat generation from something with 16 cores at 5GHz must be massive.

Yes, those TDP values are most interesting. It would be a really big leap ahead (especially against 8th and 9th gen Intels that has worse thermal efficiency than a furnace)