PvP Advanced Sidewinder Piracy

Menu logging is cheating, man. It really is.

It may not violate the TOS because it uses an in-game mechanic, but it's unsportsmanlike and dishonest.

Cheating would involve violating some rule to obtain an advantage. The rules don't mandate sportsmanship, and using the menu to log off doesn't violate any rules.

I'd personally argue that logging off specifically to prevent pursuit or attack is a gross violation of verisimilitude; that the current mechanism is simultaneously more inconvenient for the one logging off than it needs to be while not providing a large enough window of vulnerability to prevent abuse of the feature; all of which amount to it being poorly implemented and in need of adjustment...

However, it's not cheating.
 
Whether or not a 15 second log out while someone is attcking you is allowed by Fdev or not, does not matter. Whether you log out on someone attacking you (which is considered being in combat) using the task kill option or the 15 second option does not matter. The fact is, it's still logging out while in combat, thus making it combat logging!! You should just delete your save now and never play again logging on a sidewinder in a cutter!!!

What if a player was on a planet, playing in Mobius for example,purely hyperthetical, maybe exploring a newly found Thargoid site, for arguments sake 6 months ago, and a couple of ships started destroying several ships on the ground, whilst their commanders were inside the structure in their SRVs, investigating the newly discovered Thargoid star map, would you think it acceptable to combat log on such an occasion?, or would you view that as being in combat, or would you consider the attackers as a couple of impotent coward nonses?, as I would . I'd be interested to know your thoughts DeathDingo? :), but it could happen, and if it did players may 'get good' , and remember. A dingo is an Aussie dog, are you SDC?, every action has a consequence, wouldn't you think ? .. :D
 
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What if a player was on a planet, playing in Mobius for example,purely hyperthetical, maybe exploring a newly found Thargoid site, for arguments sake 6 months ago, and a couple of ships started destroying several ships on the ground, whilst their commanders were inside the structure in their SRVs, investigating the newly discovered Thargoid star map, would you think it acceptable to combat log on such an occasion?, or would you view that as being in combat, or would you consider the attackers as a couple of impotent coward nonses?, as I would . I'd be interested to know your thoughts DeathDingo? :), but it could happen, and if it did players may 'get good' , and remember. A dingo is an Aussie dog, are you SDC?, every action has a consequence, wouldn't you think ? .. :D

Lighten up, it's Christmas :D

Yeah nonconsensual PvP violates Mobius rules but it does not violate EULA, it's actually advertised by FDev. Hence it can't possibly compare to CLogging or 5-1 Engie exploit, both plain cheating.

Happy holidays!!
 
Merry Christmas to you to, you condone shooting ships on the ground as 'fair play' if it really happened that is lol
 
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Merry Christmas to you to, you condone shooting ships on the ground as 'fair play' if it really happened that is lol

Fair play it is not, it's allowed by the game rules nonetheless

If it goes against a specific Private Group rules, it's up to their administrators to kick the culprits from their group… and improve their application process.
 
First time seeing this even though it's been out awhile ... very good Piracy OP ..... Very good .... You make it back ok after that screen break?


Originally Posted by seko (Source)
Merry Christmas to you to, you condone shooting ships on the ground as 'fair play' if it really happened that is lol

I might point out that though ground straffing comes down to a personal choice, this is a historical fact from the first air war (WW1 ) through modern times. I've been under that gun more than a few times. Merry Christmas ...


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You stated it is cheating, then argued against that.

It shows an open mind and introspection and I for one respect that.

Cheating would involve violating some rule to obtain an advantage. The rules don't mandate sportsmanship, and using the menu to log off doesn't violate any rules.

I'd personally argue that logging off specifically to prevent pursuit or attack is a gross violation of verisimilitude; that the current mechanism is simultaneously more inconvenient for the one logging off than it needs to be while not providing a large enough window of vulnerability to prevent abuse of the feature; all of which amount to it being poorly implemented and in need of adjustment...

However, it's not cheating.

OK, well whatever it is, it's dishonest, dammit. Don't do it.
 

Achilles7

Banned
QED [big grin]

"OP pirates with zero risk?" "Risk should cut both ways?" Well, that begs the question, Artichoke7: exactly how much "risk" should a pilot using a sidewinder to steal from Cutters and Corvettes actually face?

Sorry, I didn't manage to answer earlier, Monsieur Dumb@ss (or have you changed your cmdr name due to incessant ridicule? Ahh, I see you have! [haha])...but, unfortunately I have a life! I also see that you've been busy on the forums over the Christmas period, whereas I have been having fun with my friends & family! Well, to each his own!

..& I've just driven home this morning in heavy snow! That was as much fun as trying to get a lumberjack from a northern US state such as errmmm, Montana, to comprehend a simple concept...& just as slow!

Artichoke7? Wow, genius!...I can almost hear your brain ticking.[blah] In answer to your question...'Some risk would be adequate!'
 

ALGOMATIC

Banned
QED [big grin]



Sorry, I didn't manage to answer earlier, Monsieur Dumb@ss (or have you changed your cmdr name due to incessant ridicule? Ahh, I see you have! [haha])...but, unfortunately I have a life! I also see that you've been busy on the forums over the Christmas period, whereas I have been having fun with my friends & family! Well, to each his own!

..& I've just driven home this morning in heavy snow! That was as much fun as trying to get a lumberjack from a northern US state such as errmmm, Montana, to comprehend a simple concept...& just as slow!

Artichoke7? Wow, genius!...I can almost hear your brain ticking.[blah] In answer to your question...'Some risk would be adequate!'

Salt salt so much salt thxkbye

Nothing wrong with being a lumberjack as long as your name is not Eugene!
 
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QED [big grin]



Sorry, I didn't manage to answer earlier, Monsieur Dumb@ss (or have you changed your cmdr name due to incessant ridicule? Ahh, I see you have! [haha])...but, unfortunately I have a life! I also see that you've been busy on the forums over the Christmas period, whereas I have been having fun with my friends & family! Well, to each his own!

..& I've just driven home this morning in heavy snow! That was as much fun as trying to get a lumberjack from a northern US state such as errmmm, Montana, to comprehend a simple concept...& just as slow!

Artichoke7? Wow, genius!...I can almost hear your brain ticking.[blah] In answer to your question...'Some risk would be adequate!'

You had to travel long distance in a storm to be around people who liked you for the holiday? I didn't have to go anywhere, as I have a family and people who love me right at my home. I feel kind of sad for you now:(

Salt salt so much salt thxkbye

Nothing wrong with being a lumberjack as long as your name is not Eugene!

Hey guys, lumberjacks are people with feelings, too.
 
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Nah m8

Emergent gameplay in the form of meme-able stuff always keeps on giving.
You'll see!

Wonder how Magmanus would react to a SLF attacking with weaponless Keelback firing hatchbreaker limpets? Could Peak Dank Meme be achieved?

(EDIT: 14! Woo!)
 
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Vindaloo made me wonder what all of the fuss was about, so I've read the thread! LOL

Well done! This was a dead thread until you gave it the kiss of life - nay, applied a defibrillator!
I have some sympathy with the premise of your general argument but the spurious nature of your specific highlighted reasoning is pretty desperate.

The OP pirates in a good natured manner but does it with zero risk - as usual in this community, blinkered expediency is at the heart of their agenda. Piracy should cut both ways & it should be high risk/high reward; using a SR hull tank Sidey with DD5s is a pirate worthy of scorn.

If he interdicted me, I would probably play along...but for those players who do not wish to do that, there should be the option to kick his butt or escape - the FSD disruptor is basically just an irritant in this case, causing tedium. This is why this event feels like griefing.

All of the disingenuous support for the OP reminds me of a pack mentality like kids looking over the bully's shoulder at his victim shouting "Yeah!" while shaking their fists.

However, your behaviour and subsequent excuses border on Jose Mourinho levels of idiocy!

I'm confused. Is the Sidewinder now considered OP and the ultimate griefer/ganker ride of choice now?
 
CMDR THREEOFNINE
......(some of the dumbest crap I've ever seen written here)....
CMDR MAGMANUS

First let's be clear - you're in an un-griefable ship. The only ship that can't be mass-locked by another. As you incorrectly claim he couldn't kill you so why log? Let's not even debate that it's cheating, which in my opinion it absolutely is as you're doing something to avoid a conflict, but it takes far longer to wait 15 seconds, log out, switch to solo (which I'm sure you hid in), then log out again and come back to open than it would to just use the existing game mechanics and jump after the FSD reboot.

As someone else said Elite isn't worth the digital paper it's printed on. Oh, and BTW I *have* killed a player Cutter in my Sidewinder before, was able to shoot out his FSD while he tried to fight me with turrets. The difference was he was an adult about it and didn't need to log - as he realizes this is a video game that we play for fun. Clearly if you need to come here and scream at one of the nicest and more honorable pilots in the game you seriously need to stop playing Elite. I mean really, if a Sidewinder can make you this unbelievable angry why even bother playing Elite or in open at all? Please just stay in Solo where you so clearly belong.

Once again VERY well done 3o9 - I salute you.

~X
 
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