Aisling Duval / Winters peace treaty

[Scream Cheese]

So what? Harry never married the Junkie he impregnated with Aisling either... Considering he's disinherited on top of that, I'm still surprised she's even mentioned.

Well, the Empire's obviously building up to a succession war, and a fairly nasty one too considering how many factions there are. You only need a pretty vague claim to the throne to be a pretender if you also happen to have an army to back that claim up with; even if it's blatant rubbish and everybody knows it, it'll be accepted as legitimate if you win the civil war because, well, you've won the civil war and now you're the only one with an army.

Aisling happens to have an army, therefore she's a 'legitimate' pretender, no matter how spurious her claim might or might not be in the technical legal sense.

 

[ozrix84]

Maybe this will be the starting of a new major faction, Aisling+winters?
Surely not, but sure is an interesting point of view so both got a lot in common.
Yeah i know it is not possible but let me dream.

Where do I sign?

 

[Eirichur]

As much as I like to view these conflicts from an RP-perspective, I think the outcome will be decided by the Powerplay bonuses. If I was a gambler, I'd wager my money on Arissa Lavigny-Duval becoming Empress, due to her significant bounty hunting bonuses. It'd be very unfortunate. Must admit that I find myself torn as well, between the candidate my character would like to support, and the candidate whose bonuses are tailored to my playstyle. At least it reminds me of real life, where we often have to choose between being idealistic or pragmatic.

 

[CATPAIN KIRK]

Aisling happens to have an army, therefore she's a 'legitimate' pretender, no matter how spurious her claim might or might not be in the technical legal sense.

Well yes - she has an army because FD decided she should have one although it doesn't make any sense - where is Hector Duval, CEO of Gutamaya and ranked third in the imperial succession as mentioned in previous games? Where are his two unknown predecessors? And why is Aisling a Senator at all?

Yeah - I know the answer - FDs storywriting broke up with all previous games as well as common sense - probably because they make the game they want to play and they consider common sense detrimental to that game.

 

[Eirichur]

Well yes - she has an army because FD decided she should have one although it doesn't make any sense - where is Hector Duval, CEO of Gutamaya and ranked third in the imperial succession as mentioned in previous games? Where are his two unknown predecessors? And why is Aisling a Senator at all?

Yeah - I know the answer - FDs storywriting broke up with all previous games as well as common sense - probably because they make the game they want to play and they consider common sense detrimental to that game.

The idea that a seemingly superficial socialite & 'social media queen' (whose slogan is "Stop Slavery Stupid") would be a legitimate contender for Emperor of the equivalent of the Roman Empire makes me cringe a bit. If she wins the succession war, I'll have a harder time immersing myself.

Incidentally, I was also a bit dismayed to learn that the Federation is represented by a stereotypical Republican and Democrat. That makes the Federation seem even more like an unappealing status quo faction, despite being set around 1000 years in the future.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

Would love to see this new "treaty" tested in some way.
Maybe by having a CG in between the associated powers as I see a bit of free space there on the map.
A nice wee Humanitarian one, just to see if everyone can get along.

Could be fun.

Dunno if it's possible but maybe even "quarantine" (by way of permits?) the systems in the first one to only Aisling & Winters pledgers, like a secret endeavour, then if successful, open up later ones to the other Powers members to interfere as and how they see fit.
As and how players act could affect if this becomes a permanent Treaty or if doomed to failure.
Just thoughts on how to progress the story...and as things progress have related stories added to Galnet.

 

[CATPAIN KIRK]

The idea that a seemingly superficial socialite & 'social media queen' (whose slogan is "Stop Slavery Stupid") would be a legitimate contender for Emperor of the equivalent of the Roman Empire makes me cringe a bit. If she wins the succession war, I'll have a harder time immersing myself.

Funnily enough, I'm spending the three week waiting period until my merits have declined below rank five before joining her playing crusader kings 2.
Since a major part of the game revolves around succession lines (although the game sometimes seemingly wants to screw you over, they always make sense), I've had plenty of time to analyze if there had been any possible succession system where someone like Aisling (female illegitimate child of a disinherited lunatic) would have a claim to the throne.

There is none - simple as that.

Anyway - this is getting OT. I'll join her next thursday and I'll make the merits to get my rainbow-pony shields undermining Winters, although I'd actually appreciate it if the emperor woke up and banished her to the federation where she belongs.

 

[Rubbernuke]

The big problem with Power play is that the players who are role playing are ahead of FD who are writing lore and story. The players are too dynamic and its tearing up what FD officially write on Galnet about them.

Really, FD should have created smaller powers that players themselves could steer and create lore for. Having Winters and Imperials sign treaties is a symptom of this problem.

 

[Vasious]

Regarding the Succession

I have argued at length that His Imperial Highness, Crown Prince Harald should still be considered the only Legally reconsidered Heir to the Throne due to a lack of Male option
I have argued at length that failing that Her Highness, Princess Aisling Duval comes before her Aunt Princess Arissa Lavigny, in any line of success that allows illegitimate females to inherit as Children of the previous heir come before sibling of the previous heir.

But Now the Emperor has appeared, in person, before the Imperial Senate, well enough to give a speech before them, and has announced his continued intention to marry Florence Lavigny, for which the 30 day waiting period has long since passed.

The matter is pretty much closed, I imagine all Imperial citizens will be swearing oaths to uphold the New line of Succession akin to Henry VIII's Succession to the Crown Act 1534.

The Power Play Factions can still via for political and economic control within the Empire, but anyone foolish enough to challenge the Emperor would just be inviting the other factions within the Empire to legally take everything the own and hold dear.

Regarding a Non-Aggression Pact between Her Highness Princes Duval and the Honourable Congresswoman Winters

There is no state of war between the Empire and the Federation, so agreements between major political figures for mutual economic benefit and security are just a matter of course.
Their enforcement is another matter

 

[hems303]

Has he recovered, though? AFAIK, he's not been seen in public yet. For that matter, the statement that he woke up from an extended coma raring to get back to the job inside of a few days reeks of propaganda on the level of North Korea saying that Kim Jong Il was hale and hearty when he was on his deathbed. It's not implausible that the guy woke up, but whether he woke up in any fit state to rule, or whether his health has actually recovered to the point that he's not still seriously ill and in danger of keeling over without warning? That's another matter entirely. To be frank, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was dead and whichever faction controls Achenar (Arissa?) was covering it up as part of a plan to further their own agenda.

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Hengist Duval, the Emperor has now appeared in the Senate, frail but strong of voice (BTW I'm a Federation CMDR and in the medical profession in real life): I think what everyone is forgetting; is that this is now 3301 NOT 2015! We can place patients into induced supportive coma's nowadays, and in 3301 I'm sure the richest/highest profile person in the galaxy would have the care infrastructure to do this. Then to hold off bringing him back out of coma until a cure for whatever ailment/poison was the culprit for the underlying condition. I'm sure in 3301 there would be a level of medical expertise to get Hengist Duval back on his feet in some semblance of order in no time at all! IMHO

 

[ninjaape0023]

We still have no proof of Hengist's well-being.
And I would like to state, as Jeff Ryan did previously, this is an agreement that ONE faction, The Thirteenth Legion, came to with Winter's Wolves. It does not reflect everyone's viewpoint, as clearly stated in this thread.

It is just a suggestion that anyone may follow, or not follow. There is no need to get worked up about it. Especially as it has no real impact in-game.

 

[Macgyver]

Old Lady Winters has been my bread and butter.
Her courier ships exploding around me as I cash in on her controlled systems.

 

[Scream Cheese]

The idea that a seemingly superficial socialite & 'social media queen' (whose slogan is "Stop Slavery Stupid") would be a legitimate contender for Emperor of the equivalent of the Roman Empire makes me cringe a bit. If she wins the succession war, I'll have a harder time immersing myself.

Incidentally, I was also a bit dismayed to learn that the Federation is represented by a stereotypical Republican and Democrat. That makes the Federation seem even more like an unappealing status quo faction, despite being set around 1000 years in the future.

Well, it's not really her being a contender, is it? It's her backers/controllers who have the power and, therefore, who make the decisions. She's the popular and photogenic figurehead for what's probably a collection of crusty old people. It's not like there weren't ever Roman Emperors who were basically popular figureheads that were puppets for interests that couldn't have become emperor themselves.

Regarding the Succession

I have argued at length that His Imperial Highness, Crown Prince Harald should still be considered the only Legally reconsidered Heir to the Throne due to a lack of Male option
I have argued at length that failing that Her Highness, Princess Aisling Duval comes before her Aunt Princess Arissa Lavigny, in any line of success that allows illegitimate females to inherit as Children of the previous heir come before sibling of the previous heir.

But Now the Emperor has appeared, in person, before the Imperial Senate, well enough to give a speech before them, and has announced his continued intention to marry Florence Lavigny, for which the 30 day waiting period has long since passed.

The matter is pretty much closed, I imagine all Imperial citizens will be swearing oaths to uphold the New line of Succession akin to Henry VIII's Succession to the Crown Act 1534.

The Power Play Factions can still via for political and economic control within the Empire, but anyone foolish enough to challenge the Emperor would just be inviting the other factions within the Empire to legally take everything the own and hold dear.

Regarding a Non-Aggression Pact between Her Highness Princes Duval and the Honourable Congresswoman Winters

There is no state of war between the Empire and the Federation, so agreements between major political figures for mutual economic benefit and security are just a matter of course.
Their enforcement is another matter

I'm not convinced. The Empire is already factionalised, and it's a lot harder to restore stable central authority in a state once that happens than it is to stop it from happening in the first place. The actual legality of succession doesn't actually matter; it's always taken a back seat in historical dynastic conflicts to the question of 'Who has the biggest army?', and I don't see any reason it should be any different here. It means that nobody would try anything while Hengist is still alive (although it also means there are plenty of people interested in assisting him in shuffling off this mortal coil), but him marrying Arissa doesn't do anything to dismantle the other factions opposed to her.

Things like the Succession to the Crown Act only work if you've already cowed your factions and brought them into line. You'll note that the three Succession Acts passed in Henry VIII's reign didn't actually prevent dynastic strife after his death, even if said strife was smaller and more personal in scale than the Wars of the Roses. So long as there are major power centres in the Empire that are opposed to each other and the legitimate successor, you'll always have a real possibility of a succession war or civil war. That's true in any form of government that allows alternate power centres to the legitimate authority to form.

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Hengist Duval, the Emperor has now appeared in the Senate, frail but strong of voice (BTW I'm a Federation CMDR and in the medical profession in real life): I think what everyone is forgetting; is that this is now 3301 NOT 2015! We can place patients into induced supportive coma's nowadays, and in 3301 I'm sure the richest/highest profile person in the galaxy would have the care infrastructure to do this. Then to hold off bringing him back out of coma until a cure for whatever ailment/poison was the culprit for the underlying condition. I'm sure in 3301 there would be a level of medical expertise to get Hengist Duval back on his feet in some semblance of order in no time at all! IMHO

I dunno, mate. Hengist is something like 120 years old IIRC. A serious illness at that age is never a good thing, no matter how good your medical technology, and if it leaves you described as 'frail', it's pretty clear that you're on your way out sooner rather than later.