Powerplay Aisling's Angels are attacking Aisling Duval as a Power

Lucius-Darcia

Lucius-Darcia
Hello dear folks,
for those who don't know me or my playergoup: I am Lucius-Darcia from the Black Hand of Jaaka. We are a feudal imperial minorfaction with our Homebase in Jaaka.
It's not new that we have conflicts with the playergroup Aisling's Angels because of our negative government for Aisling Duval Powerplay.
We have tryed to avoid any collisions as far as possible but the conflict itself remains until today. We never intended to hurt AD-powerplay and we never did! Even that the AA's claimed that we are doing so. The reason for our war with the AA's was our feudal government and that it COULD increase the fortification trigger of the AD-controlsystems. We were never able to make an agreement with them and now we know why. The Aisling's Angels were never intrested in a peace because they give a sh*t of CC income as we can see now. The CC-income and the trigger was just an excuse for this war, THEY NEVER WANTED AN AGREEMENT WITH OUR PLAYERFACTION. only now they are brave enough to tell the truth!

But now, the Aisling's Angels became traitors with their own cause and make a step to provoke us, that would hurt Aisling Duval as a Power more than any 5c group would do. They preparate Jaaka, our Homesystem, as expansion for Aisling Duval, even that they know that most surrounding systems are under feudal control of us.
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Preparating Jaaka for an expansion is a declaration of Aisling's Angels being a 5C group.
If Aisling would expand to Jaaka, it would bring here a negative CC of weekly -115 C! The playergroup Aisling's Angels are very well aware of that consquences and nevertheless they will hurt Aisling Powerplay to give this war another reason to continue for the next eternity. I have seen one of the Aisling's Angels leader cmdr PantsRebel (name changed) myself in Jaaka prepping it for expansion. This is something that only a 5C member would do!

So i please all Aisling Duval powerplay commanders to stop immediatly with prepping Jaaka and to vote this and next week for CONSOLIDATION to prevent Aisling expanding into Jaaka.

WE, THE BLACK HAND OF JAAKA WILL STAY IN OUR HOMESYSTEM AND WE WILL EXPAND TO THE SYSTEMS AROUND US AND TAKE CONTROL OF THOSE. EXPANDING TO JAAKA IS AN ACT OF AGGRESSION AND A DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST OUR PLAYERGROUP AS LONG AS AISLING'S ANGELS AND THE AD-SLACK GROUP REACH FOR OUR SYSTEMS!!

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Trinity A. Craft

Trinity A. Craft
The real traitors are those who are preparing Yaque and/or voting for preparation. If you pay attention to the rest of public orders, the Aisling Duval Slack community has no desire to prepare any system this cycle.
 

krylite

krylite
As an independent I'm mainly curious about who or which faction is actually behind this year long farce of prepping Yaque for starters.
 
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Trinity A. Craft

Trinity A. Craft
Rupert Pupnick said:
Help me understand. AA is bad because they want to undertake an expansion against Black Hand that will cost AA -115 CR weekly?
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The preparation target this cycle and for the past few cycles are counter-prep targets to prevent Aisling from taking on Yaque should the consolidation vote fail. Yaque would be impossible to oppose/shed in the future. We do not want to expand into Jaaka, but it is still better than Yaque.

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The Aisling Duval public orders for this cycle from reddit explains the choice to prepare Jaaka: https://www.reddit.com/r/AislingDuval/comments/6ajppc/weekly_objectives_for_cycle_102/
 
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PulsarShark

PulsarShark
The Black Hand of Jaaka has never been concerned with the welfare of AD powerplay. It is a virulently anti-Aisling group that has been caught red-handed performing 5c undermining against profitable AD systems. Its leadership was once included in the AD slack, but was expelled when they began spewing toxic profanity-laced rants and threats against the rest of the AD player base.

The Black Hand has focused the expansions of its harmful faction type, going only into Aisling-exploited systems. They have interfered with other player factions and opened fire on other players without provocation. And most recently, they have engaged in UA-bombing of Aisling Duval ports. They have shown that they cannot be trusted - they have violated two previous cease-fire agreements when they expanded into AD space and shot AD players.

Now they are reaping the proper reward - they are about to be removed from control in the last of the AD systems they expanded to, and they are facing the prospect of their home system coming under AD control. This would close their slave markets, disrupt their trade, and apply the AD rank-5 BGS bonus to most of their systems - increasing the advantage for the AD player coalition opposing the Black Hand.

Black Hand is a threat to Aisling Duval, but only when they are left alone. Ironically, their own bad behavior has finally guaranteed that will not happen again.
 

Sorrell

Sorrell
Ah, I thought the plan was to expand AD into Jaaka, you mean you are planning to fail this expansion and simultaneously use it to prevent expansion to Yaque?
 

Lucius-Darcia

Lucius-Darcia
PulsarShark said:
The Black Hand of Jaaka has never been concerned with the welfare of AD powerplay. It is a virulently anti-Aisling group that has been caught red-handed performing 5c undermining against profitable AD systems. Its leadership was once included in the AD slack, but was expelled when they began spewing toxic profanity-laced rants and threats against the rest of the AD player base.

The Black Hand has focused the expansions of its harmful faction type, going only into Aisling-exploited systems. They have interfered with other player factions and opened fire on other players without provocation. And most recently, they have engaged in UA-bombing of Aisling Duval ports. They have shown that they cannot be trusted - they have violated two previous cease-fire agreements when they expanded into AD space and shot AD players.

Now they are reaping the proper reward - they are about to be removed from control in the last of the AD systems they expanded to, and they are facing the prospect of their home system coming under AD control. This would close their slave markets, disrupt their trade, and apply the AD rank-5 BGS bonus to most of their systems - increasing the advantage for the AD player coalition opposing the Black Hand.

Black Hand is a threat to Aisling Duval, but only when they are left alone. Ironically, their own bad behavior has finally guaranteed that will not happen again.
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We have NEVER undermined positive CC systems of Ailsing Duval and our personal conflict was against the playergroup Aisling's Angels since founding of both groups, never the Power AD. We (me) are also UA bombing your independent starport in an independent system (T'u Tu) to make clear, that this is the revenge for the attacks on our BGS.
between, not only YOUR people will get the influence Bonus than, WE will get him ALSO :D if you have forgotten about this fact. AA's never intended to make an agreement, they spread lies!nothing else!
"Black Hand attacks Aisling Duval"
NO! We don't! We control some AD systems, but you know that not ALL systems have to be communism, cooperation or confederacy to reduce the fortification trigger. Our presence in AD systems did NEVER hurt the Power Aisling Duval. BUT YOU DO! -115 CC EVERY WEEK IF YOU DO THIS!

ah between, greetings from one of our members (he hasn't forum acc)
Logsys
Can you say less bulls***, you never caught BH undermining PROFITABLE AD systems. UA bombing AA is not attacking AD! This fight was never against AD, only towards AA with their expensive lies. AA always attacked the Black Hand (even during the ceasefire, oh my!) in PRIVATE, but you wouldn't recall it, would you Pulsar... Oh wait, that was you all the time! Yeah, none of us wants this war, but an agreement wouldn't have any effect on this, as they never hold their promises! I suggest you go back to private, because lying without proof only shatters more your reputation
 

Lucius-Darcia

Lucius-Darcia
Sorrell said:
Ah, I thought the plan was to expand AD into Jaaka, you mean you are planning to fail this expansion and simultaneously use it to prevent expansion to Yaque?
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NO, they REALLY intend to expand to Jaaka to make it Aisling Space, even that they know that our Feudal government would result in a never ending war between BH and AD and also would cost AD a lot of CC income.
That's why i said, they don't work in favour of the Power Aisling Duval because this would hurt the Powerplay for a very very long time!
-negative CC
-permanent BGS/PP war with all the consequences (undermining AD systems, UA-bombing, BGS flip to negative governments)

But the Aisling's Angels playergroup would like to see that happen!
 
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Sorrell

Sorrell
Well, Lucius, maybe they are not aligned within AD, taking over Jaaka seems pretty daft to be honest. Let's see what future responses bring....... :)
 

JeffRyan

JeffRyan
Aisling's Angels aren't traitors. Yes, Jaaka was chosen as our 'non-Yaque backup', it's not a great system and we don't want it. We want Consolidation. It's still better than Yaque, all things considered and would be better than taking the 5C Yaque system that they've tried to push on us for... is it over a year now?

It's true Jaaka was partially chosen for political reasons, ie. our war against the infamous Black Hand of Jaaka, yes, it was chosen to annoy the hell out of them. Glad it's working :D

But no, we've no intention of taking it and Aisling's Angels aren't 5th columners.
 

PulsarShark

PulsarShark
I have proof that the Black Hand has undermined a positive AD system. If you are an outsider to this conflict, and you're reading this thread, confused about who to believe, PM me and I can provide you with a link. Because it repeatedly names two Black Hand commanders, I probably can't post it here in public.

And Black Hand members, don't waste your time asking for it.
 

Lucius-Darcia

Lucius-Darcia
PulsarShark said:
I have proof that the Black Hand has undermined a positive AD system. If you are an outsider to this conflict, and you're reading this thread, confused about who to believe, PM me and I can provide you with a link. Because it repeatedly names two Black Hand commanders, I probably can't post it here in public.

And Black Hand members, don't waste your time asking for it.
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Make this link public! Pics or it didn't happen. You know the rule! no private PM Lies. all what Pulsarshark can give you in private but not in public is a Lie!
 
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PulsarShark

PulsarShark
Lucius-Darcia said:
Make this link public! Pics or it didn't happen. You know the rule! no private PM Lies. all what Pulsarshark can give you in private but not in public is a Lie!
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There is no such rule on this forum. The rule is no naming and shaming. I am following it.

Your lies are being exposed.
 

Lucius-Darcia

Lucius-Darcia
PulsarShark said:
There is no such rule on this forum. The rule is no naming and shaming. I am following it.

Your lies are being exposed.
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"unofficial" rule: pics or it didn't happen
i can also make some photoshop pictures, spreading them only via PM and claiming "it's the truth, believe me" if you are never going to see them to claim that it's fake, because i refuse to show them to you ;)

whoever spreads evidence only in private is a liar
We as the Black Hand doesn't have the need to hide our actions. We fly in open but YOU cmdr Pulsarshark are killing cops in private 'cause you fear a meeting with us. We are not the ones hiding
 
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JeffRyan

JeffRyan
Lucius-Darcia said:
"unofficial" rule: pics or it didn't happen
i can also make some photoshop pictures, spreading them only via PM and claiming "it's the truth, believe me" if you are never going to see them to claim that it's fake, because i refuse to show them to you ;)

whoever spreads evidence only in private is a liar
We as the Black Hand doesn't have the need to hide our actions. We fly in open but YOU cmdr Pulsarshark are killing cops in private 'cause you fear a meeting with us. We are not the ones hiding
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No naming and shaming is an official rule of this forum.

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Lucius-Darcia said:
ah between, greetings from one of our members (he hasn't forum acc)
Logsys
Can you say less bulls***, you never caught BH undermining PROFITABLE AD systems. UA bombing AA is not attacking AD! This fight was never against AD, only towards AA with their expensive lies. AA always attacked the Black Hand (even during the ceasefire, oh my!) in PRIVATE, but you wouldn't recall it, would you Pulsar... Oh wait, that was you all the time! Yeah, none of us wants this war, but an agreement wouldn't have any effect on this, as they never hold their promises! I suggest you go back to private, because lying without proof only shatters more your reputation
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One thing I want to make absolutely crystal clear. The Aisling Duval community a year and a half ago was a divisive community split amongst several player groups. Over the last year we've merged into a cohesive unit around the Slack. Which is where the Aisling Duval Community of HUNDREDS of players hang out, chill, discuss and agree on what we're doing. All the major groups and most of the minor groups take part. We have a unified BGS team which organises around the triggers for Aisling Duval. The Aisling's Angels player group's BGS is a PART OF THIS STRATEGY. It's something Black Hand doesn't seem to understand, you pick a fight with the Angels (as they did) they're picking a fight with the entire Aisling Duval Community.

I'm saying this as a member of that community and the leader of another major AD group (that way back in the past had issues with the Angels, if anything I have reason to be biased AGAINST the Angels, but I'm not). Yes, the Black Hand picked a fight, with the Aisling's Angels, against their BGS. The didn't foresee and still don't understand why this is bad or why AD reacted as it did. We're not the same community we were. I'm incredibly proud of what we've evolved into from our very shaky and argumentative beginnings.
 
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