[Alliance] Clean up the Alliance

[Ben Ryder]

The following are stations within 150ly of the capital that trade in slaves.

The slavers are not the alliance they are merchants using a ranch systems within the alliance as a hiding ground and shield...

Not that many chaps so you might want to clean the slavers out,before they spread, or not...

Chaac Lem Dock Alliance Anarchy
LP 167-71 Ziemianski Dock Alliance Anarchy
Asherah Francisco De Eliza Prospect Alliance Anarchy
BD+48 1845B Tennyson D'eyncourt Point Alliance Anarchy
Bielonti Ahmed Dock Alliance Anarchy
Dea Motrona Pinzon Dock Alliance Anarchy
Fuamne Coelho Colony 509ls Alliance Anarchy
HIP 71165 Garcia Refinery Alliance Anarchy
Juracame Shunn Platform Alliance Anarchy
Kan Aphu Daley Platform Alliance Prison Colony
LHS 2317 Cook Refinery Alliance Anarchy
Maringpho Forfait Legacy Alliance Anarchy
Mereboga Howard Dock Alliance Anarchy
MZ Ursae Majoris Tenn Landing Alliance Dictatorship
Nu Goryni Tavernier Works Alliance Patronage
Orishis Piccard Dock Alliance Anarchy
Purui Herbert Survey Alliance Anarchy
Seedi Westerfeld Refinery Alliance Anarchy
Thosimaki Smith Sanctuar Alliance Corporate
Xuan Wena Paez Freeport Alliance Anarchy

 

[Raf von Thorn]

What a stupid idea. You will erase the anarchies, so there is less wanteds for community goals and bounty hunting...

I say: save the anarchies!

 

[_Flin_]

While I do applaud your dedication, the territorial integrity of the members of the Alliance of Independent Systems is the reason for it's existence and will be defended.

Internal disputes, however, do happen.

 

[Crash1099]

The following are stations within 150ly of the capital that trade in slaves.

Not that many chaps so you might want to clean the slavers out,before they spread, or not...

Chaac Lem Dock Alliance Anarchy
LP 167-71 Ziemianski Dock Alliance Anarchy
Asherah Francisco De Eliza Prospect Alliance Anarchy
BD+48 1845B Tennyson D'eyncourt Point Alliance Anarchy
Bielonti Ahmed Dock Alliance Anarchy
Dea Motrona Pinzon Dock Alliance Anarchy
Fuamne Coelho Colony 509ls Alliance Anarchy
HIP 71165 Garcia Refinery Alliance Anarchy
Juracame Shunn Platform Alliance Anarchy
Kan Aphu Daley Platform Alliance Prison Colony
LHS 2317 Cook Refinery Alliance Anarchy
Maringpho Forfait Legacy Alliance Anarchy
Mereboga Howard Dock Alliance Anarchy
MZ Ursae Majoris Tenn Landing Alliance Dictatorship
Nu Goryni Tavernier Works Alliance Patronage
Orishis Piccard Dock Alliance Anarchy
Purui Herbert Survey Alliance Anarchy
Seedi Westerfeld Refinery Alliance Anarchy
Thosimaki Smith Sanctuar Alliance Corporate
Xuan Wena Paez Freeport Alliance Anarchy

There needs to be some Anarchy for pirates. I hope they do not change.

 

[LARY STARKEEPER]

I would like to create a group around the Brothers of Chaac, and maybe making them a POWER in 1.3, in order to maintain "Pirates" in the Alliance.

The Brothers of Chaac (Chaac system, Lem Dock) are Alliance's "Freemen", like the Sobek's Boys, they are corsairs of the Alliance. If anybody is interested, we have to spread the Brothers of Chaac influence into nearby systems in order to make them become a POWER.

You can find the group here : http://ed-board.net/?m=groups&o=publicgroup

EDIT : Here's the thread : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=141686

 

[Aurapup]

Didn't we already have this discussion started by the same player?

Alliance Freemen are still Alliance factions who band together with other Alliance factions for mutual self-defence. Alliance factions have a right to govern themselves the way they see fit.

NO GREEN ON GREEN! SAVE THE ANARCHIES!

 

[ElectricZ]

While I do applaud your dedication, the territorial integrity of the members of the Alliance of Independent Systems is the reason for it's existence and will be defended.

Internal disputes, however, do happen.

As much as I abhor slavery, Flin is right. The Alliance isn't a centralized government put in place to enforce faction-wide laws, it's a mutual defense pact. If it were that, it would be the Federation.

 

[Ben Ryder]

There needs to be some Anarchy for pirates. I hope they do not change.

Anarchy does not mean slavery or lawlessness. It means individual responsibility within a system without the opposition of will on others. Therefore the slavers are not anarchist just evil people imposing their will on others. Slavery is about domination and the removal of another freedom. It has no part in anarchy systems alliance or otherwise.

I'm not saying impose law on anarchy systems. I'm a suggesting removing slavers from the alliance. Lay down with dogs wake up with fleas.

The slavers are using the anarchy systems as a shield. They are not there to help the alliance. They are there because of a weakness in the alliances quality control.



Do what though will shall be the whole of the Law, chaps

Love is the law, love under will.

No green on green.

 

[EUS]

I'm a Fed-head in rank, but am more in line with the alliance theme of live and let live, MYOB, anarchy, etc.
Let the slavers slave.

 

[Kulzar]

Anarchy does not mean slavery or lawlessness. It means individual responsibility within a system without the opposition of will on others. Therefore the slavers are not anarchist just evil people imposing their will on others. Slavery is about domination and the removal of another freedom. It has no part in anarchy systems alliance or otherwise.

I agree with him. I believe it's a huge flaw in the system that Alliance anarchy factions allow slavery. From a lore standpoint, it should be one of the very few things that are illegal across the entire Alliance.

We are talking about a major faction that rose up against the Empire in good part because of slavery.

There should be a difference between a chaotic "anarchy" pirate haven and an actual anarchy political faction. You will find it difficult to find an apology of slavery in anarchy treatises.

I like the idea of anarchy factions existing in game, but if that means they are automatically tolerant of slavery then they need to be overthrown.

 

[LARY STARKEEPER]

Didn't we already have this discussion started by the same player?

Alliance Freemen are still Alliance factions who band together with other Alliance factions for mutual self-defence. Alliance factions have a right to govern themselves the way they see fit.

NO GREEN ON GREEN! SAVE THE ANARCHIES!

Nope, Alliance Freemen are Arnachies. This is what's write. If you're wanted in the Alliance you will not be wanted in Freemen's systems. You do not know how the Alliance is working, don't you ?

Anarchy does not mean slavery or lawlessness. It means individual responsibility within a system without the opposition of will on others. Therefore the slavers are not anarchist just evil people imposing their will on others. Slavery is about domination and the removal of another freedom. It has no part in anarchy systems alliance or otherwise.

I'm not saying impose law on anarchy systems. I'm a suggesting removing slavers from the alliance. Lay down with dogs wake up with fleas.

The slavers are using the anarchy systems as a shield. They are not there to help the alliance. They are there because of a weakness in the alliances quality control.



Do what though will shall be the whole of the Law, chaps

Love is the law, love under will.

No green on green.

Yes, but Frontier didn't include a gameplay option to remove slavery from anarchic system. This is how it is.

 

[Aurapup]

Nope, Alliance Freemen are Arnachies. This is what's write. If you're wanted in the Alliance you will not be wanted in Freemen's systems. You do not know how the Alliance is working, don't you ?

This is a joke. I'm well aware that Alliance Freemen are Anarchic.

Alliance
Freemen:
A Group that refuses to recognize the legal construct as defined by the Alliance of Independent systems.

But they wouldn't be Alliance if they didn't respect the only aim of the Alliance: to

defend, where necessary, against the big powers of The Federation and The Empire.

Pirates can have loyalties just like anyone else. Have you heard of the word 'privateer'?

The reason no-one is wanted in Anarchies is well, they're Anarchies. No law, no enforced justice system and no crimes. Unless you think that all Alliance Freemen pirates should be equipped with Kill Warrant Scanners to enforce the laws they don't support. .... LOL.

 

[Ben Ryder]

Nope, Alliance Freemen are Arnachies. This is what's write. If you're wanted in the Alliance you will not be wanted in Freemen's systems. You do not know how the Alliance is working, don't you ?



Yes, but Frontier didn't include a gameplay option to remove slavery from anarchic system. This is how it is.

So replace them with another for of government such as communism democracy etc or withdraw alliance support and leave them as independent or not.

So many systems in the Alliance Willing to defend slavers and the condemned the federation and empire as being slavers. Sounds like hypocrisy

 

[RosaMaus]

The Alliance became the Alliance because we didn't like being told what to do.

And you're trying to tell us what to do?

 

[Schlack]

So replace them with another for of government such as communism democracy etc or withdraw alliance support and leave them as independent or not.

So many systems in the Alliance Willing to defend slavers and the condemned the federation and empire as being slavers. Sounds like hypocrisy

All alliance systems will be defended from external aggression. And we do not interfere with the internal politics of systems. That said systems are not static. Pirates are still pirates and bounty hunting tends to have a knock-on detrimental effect on pirate factions. Internally driven regime change can naturally follow. Non interference works both ways: If an alliance faction went to war with an anarchy faction there is no obligation on alliance members to defend the naughty faction.

 

[Loskene]

But the Alliance is where we send all the psychopaths who can't fit in one corner of civilised space or another. Why d'you think it's on the other side of human space from the Empire? Civilised society gets fewer and further between the further galactic topside you go. If you drive all the anarchists out, where do you think they'll go? You either have to kill them all or resettle them somewhere else, because outlaws gonna outlaw.

 

[Schlack]

So the alliance is space Australia?

 

[Ben Ryder]

The Alliance became the Alliance because we didn't like being told what to do.

And you're trying to tell us what to do?

Not at all. The Alliance does what it wants. Just like the other factions. That it's got systems harbouring slave traders. The slave traders have got a cosy number that gets all the benefits of protection from the Alliance defence smiled. It's nothing to do with Alliance politics other than its got a weakness that's open to exploration. The slave runners are not necessarily the system authority

There is a clear weakness to the Alliance and now the Empire has cracked down hard on crime I it's systems, grown it's influence in neighborhood systems, extend its reach into federation space where do you think all the never do wells are heading?


I'm off to Alliance space... To investigate...before it all kicks off in falisci

 

[Schlack]

Not at all. The Alliance does what it wants. Just like the other factions. That it's got systems harbouring slave traders. The slave traders have got a cosy number that gets all the benefits of protection from the Alliance defence smiled. It's nothing to do with Alliance politics other than its got a weakness that's open to exploration. The slave runners are not necessarily the system authority

There is a clear weakness to the Alliance and now the Empire has cracked down hard on crime I it's systems, grown it's influence in neighborhood systems, extend its reach into federation space where do you think all the never do wells are heading?


I'm off to Alliance space... To investigate...before it all kicks off in falisci

Just to be clear, slavers running in systems where slavery is illegal are subject to the local laws. They only have a free run in their own systems and the protection only extends to external aggression from non alliance factions. Internal regime change does happen

 

[Ben Ryder]

Looks like the new community goal for the Alliance is a step in the right direction to clean up its systems. Good stuff.