Ammonia Worlds

CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok

CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok
Ammonia Worlds seem to be quite as rare as ELWs, I for one have definetly found more Earth Likes than AWs.

My question: Is there something like a "Goldilocks Zone" for AWs and specific star types that are more likely to hold them than others? Is there some research about this or is this a field yet to discover? Could I have just used the data from EDD to answer those questions myself?

I did a forum search and couldn't find something about the subject and am still confused at handling EDD...
So I'm sorry if that's an "old question" and already answered 50 times, just gently force point my nose in the right direction then...

Ragnar
 

Nick Sticks

Nick Sticks
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iain666

iain666
I have more AW than ELW although there's not a huge amount in it - have you got your eye in for all the AW textures in the sysmap? Some of the off-white cloudy ones are easy to miss on a quick scan if you're looking for the reddy-brown ones.
 

Zieman

Zieman
iain666 said:
I have more AW than ELW although there's not a huge amount in it - have you got your eye in for all the AW textures in the sysmap? Some of the off-white cloudy ones are easy to miss on a quick scan if you're looking for the reddy-brown ones.
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If not sure, look at the HUD hologram - ELW & AW share it.
 

marx

marx
Ammonia worlds are more common than Earth-like worlds, it's just that people are more likely to pass them up than they would ELWs. Two reasons for this: one is that many of the "hazy" kind can actually be quite hard to spot from the system map, and the other is that people seem to be less interested in scanning even those that are obviously AWs. Probably because they aren't blue.

I did look into AWs as well, though not in as much depth as ELWs. There's definitely more research to be done though, and examining star data from EDDB could help. (I've just been lazy to do this.) There is a "Thargoid-habitable" zone for ammonia worlds, of course, and it's considerably farther out than the Goldilocks-zone. As for what stars are more likely to hold them, some preliminary results: Herbig Ae/Be stars are surprisingly good at this (despite them being protostars), and class G main star systems with mass code C are more likely to contain them than class G - mass code D.
You're probably better off looking at K, G systems instead of F, A, simply because the ammonia zone for those might be a bit too far out to have good chances of planets there.
But there's definitely more research to be done on this, and who knows, maybe it would bring more surprising results.
 

CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok

CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok
Thanks for your answers!

I didn't know there were white ones as well! But usually I look at all planets, which don't look like icy or rocky planets in the system map. I know they share the holo-icon with the ELWs (thanks for posting anyways, some folks might not know yet).

Thanks Nick Sticks for he links! The first one answers my question about the "Goldilocks" zone for them. The other two seem to be about ELWs on the first glance, but I will take a closer look into those later.

So AWs don't have any star types around which they more likely apear? Like one has a higher chance to find ELWs around F and G types and such... Or is this simply not looked after yet? I guess I'll spend some time in EDD and the like to look after a pattern there.

Should I find something I'll share it here.

Edit: marx you were answering as I was writing.

Thanks for the Information, Looks like I'm going to spend a bit of time with EDDB to do some research.
 
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Edelgard von Rhein

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Ammonia Worlds I believe are more common than Earth-like Worlds in general because the chances of finding one in a system with a 'mass code' of B (i.e. the B in, for example, Weqeae UH-E B53-6) is very much higher than for Earth-like Worlds, reflecting the fact that the 'Ammonia World habitable zone' encompasses lower temperatures than Earth-like Worlds. I think in systems with hot stars they have very similar chances of appearing. So if you are doing a focused search for Earth-likes in mass code D systems, where ELWs are most frequently found, then you might well find similar numbers or slightly more Earth-likes.
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To use a personal example, I recently completed a six-month expedition in which I travelled about 290 KLY. If I exclude my focused searches in certain areas due to the bias for looking in mass code C and D systems and only consider what I found on my travels, where I wasn't filtering by star type (except in the sparsest regions crossing Galactic Arms), then I encountered 25 ELW, of which just one was in a mass code B system. In comparison, whilst travelling I encountered 54 Ammonia Worlds, 25 of which were in mass code B systems.
 
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CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok

CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok
Edelgard von Rhein said:
Ammonia Worlds I believe are more common than Earth-like Worlds in general because the chances of finding one in a system with a 'mass code' of B (i.e. the B in, for example, Weqeae UH-E B53-6) is very much higher than for Earth-like Worlds, reflecting the fact that the 'Ammonia World habitable zone' encompasses lower temperatures than Earth-like Worlds. I think in systems with hot stars they have very similar chances of appearing. So if you are doing a focused search for Earth-likes in mass code D systems, where ELWs are most frequently found, then you might well find similar numbers or slightly more Earth-likes.
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To use a personal example, I recently completed a six-month expedition in which I travelled about 290 KLY. If I exclude my focused searches in certain areas due to the bias for looking in mass code C and D systems and only consider what I found on my travels, where I wasn't filtering by star type (except in the sparsest regions crossing Galactic Arms), then I encountered 25 ELW, of which just one was in a mass code B system. In comparison, whilst travelling I encountered 54 Ammonia Worlds, 25 of which were in mass code B systems.
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Another helpful Information, thank you! So I'll be looking at mass code B Systems a bit more closely!
 

Kefhyr

Kefhyr
Found a lot of ammonia worlds. Its difficult to identify them from System Map, sometimes they look like Rocky Planets or standart Metal Rich. Same with water worlds, sometimes you scan brown cloudy planet and scanner shows you water world :'D
 
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marx

marx
Also, you might want to take a look at the list of ammonia worlds, compiled from EDDN data - although not the most up-to-date. It does have information on mass code distribution though: compared to ELWs, more have been found in both code B and code C sectors. (Which is also likely to imply that the chances of finding an AW in one are better.)
Code E systems don't appear to be as friendly to AWs, although considering what kinds of stars tend to make these systems up, it's little wonder. F-H, on the other hand, do. This is most likely because those heavier systems have all kinds of weird configurations, in which cases planets in suitable orbits are more likely to be found. It's quite interesting that while ELWs in class H systems have all been Earth-like moons only (in which cases their surface temperatures are bugged, and lower than they should be), AWs in class H systems aren't moons only. (Although moons still dominate these - again, temperature bug.)

So, if the question is where to go, then you have a choice to make. Do you want to find more ELWs and more AWs, or less ELWs but a bit more AWs? In the former case, you should stick with star types A, F, G, while in the latter case, classes K, M (and perhaps G, as G systems are halfway split between mass codes C and D) will probably give you a bit better chances at ammonia worlds, at the cost of having considerably lower chances of including Earth-likes.
 
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Sapyx

Sapyx
When I'm out exploring, I usually have just F, G and non-sequence stars selected. And I seem to encounter Ammonia Worlds more often than ELWs, probably at a ratio of about 3:1. So, they're less common than water worlds, but more common than ELWs.
 

CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok

CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok
marx said:
Also, you might want to take a look at the list of ammonia worlds, compiled from EDDN data - although not the most up-to-date. It does have information on mass code distribution though: compared to ELWs, more have been found in both code B and code C sectors. (Which is also likely to imply that the chances of finding an AW in one are better.)
Code E systems don't appear to be as friendly to AWs, although considering what kinds of stars tend to make these systems up, it's little wonder. F-H, on the other hand, do. This is most likely because those heavier systems have all kinds of weird configurations, in which cases planets in suitable orbits are more likely to be found. It's quite interesting that while ELWs in class H systems have all been Earth-like moons only (in which cases their surface temperatures are bugged, and lower than they should be), AWs in class H systems aren't moons only. (Although moons still dominate these - again, temperature bug.)

So, if the question is where to go, then you have a choice to make. Do you want to find more ELWs and more AWs, or less ELWs but a bit more AWs? In the former case, you should stick with star types A, F, G, while in the latter case, classes K, M (and perhaps G, as G systems are halfway split between mass codes C and D) will probably give you a bit better chances at ammonia worlds, at the cost of having considerably lower chances of including Earth-likes.
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I didn't know this list already existed. One would think that typing "ammonia" and "world" into the forum search should bring your thread as top find but I didn't see it on the first page and the things that forum search brought up made me think it would ever get more away from topic on the next pages...

Considering my (little) experience so far I think I'll stick to my actual filter (M class and brown dwarfs excluded), should bring up both at good rates (at least did so far). But I will take a closer look at the mass codes from now on.

Much to learn, I like this ;)
 

marx

marx
Yeah, and if you try googling "elite dangerous list of ammonia worlds", even that won't output that thread. Why? There is information there that Frontier wants to keep hidden, because David Braben is a Thargoid. Perhaps you've heard tell about how FD has an entire book at their offices about the Thargoids? That's not their summary of fiction they wrote to check plans against, that's an instruction manual they received, on to how to make the xenos realistic. Starting with the ammonia worlds, of course.

It's all really, really exciting.
 
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Valije

Valije
edsm.net added recently an Habitable zone calculator where you can find the metal-rich, ELW, WW, AW and TC zones once you scan the main star and submit it through EDDN.

AFAIK it only calculate the zones correctly when there is a single star in the system (but I may be wrong).
 

Redfox

Redfox
Not much to add to the AW expertise already available above, except a practical example of a very hazy AW from a few days back:
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CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok

CMDR Ragnar Lofbrok
marx said:
Yeah, and if you try googling "elite dangerous list of ammonia worlds", even that won't output that thread. Why? There is information there that Frontier wants to keep hidden, because David Braben is a Thargoid. Perhaps you've heard tell about how FD has an entire book at their offices about the Thargoids? That's not their summary of fiction they wrote to check plans against, that's an instruction manual they received, on to how to make the xenos realistic. Starting with the ammonia worlds, of course.

It's all really, really exciting.
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+1 virtual rep! Made my day :D

Redfox said:
Not much to add to the AW expertise already available above, except a practical example of a very hazy AW from a few days back:
https://i.imgur.com/skSdL0e.jpg
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Blue?! Ok, I really have to look closer on my travels. Thanks!
 

Col Frost

Col Frost
I am currently searching a D mass cube of stars of 0ver 10,000 and am currently over 1/4 of the way through.

I'm noting Ammonia worlds, ELW's and WW's

After 2661 stars searched I've found 47 Ammonia Worlds so far for a hit rate of 1 in 56.6
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Interestingly my total in the list up to 2661 for ELW's is also 47
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The real gold here so far is the frequency of Water Worlds, with 403 found so far for a Water World every 6.6 stars searched!!
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