Now I know people will *always* look for the fastest method in games to progress, it's inevitable, however this isn't even remotely close to a "faster" method, it's sheer insanity how this can go unchecked. I've met many people who don't even know how use shield banks/afms/what a canopy is and have Imperial Cutters that are worth in excess of a billion.So yes, I am still 100% certain there is an issue with Ceos and Sothis, some links for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q_w4V_uLPo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOdXMGRLkfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-eK-vZYZ_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syW89DU3Bhc
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/262972-Ceos-and-Sothis-the-new-Robigo
http://www.reacttant.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/3s69ab/psa_biowaste_is_big_money
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=542885069 (Robigo though less effective still entirely functional, this user makes 20 million in an hour smuggling *illegal* goods in an ASP)
I spoke to some people who were making 50 million a run from Ceos and Sothis to stations only 400ly away in an Anaconda. I have been there myself to see it and i'd be happy to show you how many 4mil+ per missions I can take that are on offer with a simple few "mode" changes from solo to open etc. As I said before, the missions consist of biowaste and hydrogen, which aren't illegal and do not result in many interdictions at all if any.
If I had a Type 7 with max cargo cap for instance, if I picked my missions carefully, I could load up on around 10 missions earning a good 4mil average per each one.
I made the trip there to grab some images of the kind of missions I can get at both Ceos and Sothis
All these people - "http://i.imgur.com/uNgETvG.png" "http://i.imgur.com/34OWsmS.png" must be here for something as it is by far the most populated instance(s) I have ever seen, and this applies both to Sothis and Ceos.
Here are just *some* images I have taken in the last hour since writing this
http://i.imgur.com/XAv7kg8.png
http://i.imgur.com/k0LIIjr.png
http://i.imgur.com/1GY5OVY.png
http://i.imgur.com/cECJor3.png
http://i.imgur.com/b5bKJU1.png
http://i.imgur.com/vX2bPKL.png
http://i.imgur.com/U4qGzxP.png
http://i.imgur.com/P7GCVZK.png
http://i.imgur.com/zyxuIcm.png
(I could go on)
Through a simple process of changing through open, private, solo modes to instantly refresh the mission board; very large amounts of credits can be made in a (relatively) extremely small amount of time
However, don't get me wrong, mode switching isn't the issue I'm trying to address; it's the cases like these where doing so truly becomes an exploit to net players absurdly disproportionate amounts of money against risk
This is an issue that has been less prevalent than the Robigo abuse that happened a while ago, though just because it's not as well documented, doesn't mean it's any less damaging and unfair.
"Comrade Napoleon
OMG do these bugs still exist. No wonder every new Cmdr is on the " I want bandwagon"
FD has not only shot itself in the foot, it has shot itself in the head. Making all other game play unattractive, due to these "missions". They are diluting their own game to nothing.
Cheers Cmdr's"
A little harsh of a comment, but still rings true with these three systems (mainly Ceos and Sothis) still in full swing.
Surely something can be done to send this game in the right direction concerning money making, it should be risk=reward and not only that it would bring people back to more "conventional" methods such as mining, combat, trade, exploration, piracy rather than these borderline "exploit" missions.
And just another quick addition, though no less serious. I assume you're aware of people now abusing the "precious gems" which has just appeared in the past few days.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/4t8ea3/precious_gems_big_money_with_small_ships/
"A Cobra with 36t capacity will make 2.5 million each run and take about 30 minutes, so its great even if you have a small ship. Not sure how long this will last as it was left over from the final Dangerous Games Community Goal."
http://steamcommunity.com/app/359320/discussions/0/352788552268948240/
"Still grinding precious gems in Maiki system"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEm4Oe0OAl4
"Made 300mil yesterday lol, love my cutter"
"my god. just got my first anaconda. time to put that baby to work!"
"61k/t now. Just made 40,000,000 on 1 trip
"
Another thing you might want to plug as people are already jumping on this in droves.
Smuggling was one thing, but the rate of risk vs reward in this scenario is in a completely different league of absurdity, and so long as it is available it will be *the* method majority of players will flock to for the sake of easy and fast money. It cannot be allowed to remain on the idealistic hope that players will generally opt for their play style of choice based on how much "fun" it is. Players just want money and are clearly willing to sacrifice any other potential experiences in-game to earn it ASAP.
Regards
CMDR AurumVitae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q_w4V_uLPo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOdXMGRLkfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-eK-vZYZ_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syW89DU3Bhc
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/262972-Ceos-and-Sothis-the-new-Robigo
http://www.reacttant.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/3s69ab/psa_biowaste_is_big_money
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=542885069 (Robigo though less effective still entirely functional, this user makes 20 million in an hour smuggling *illegal* goods in an ASP)
I spoke to some people who were making 50 million a run from Ceos and Sothis to stations only 400ly away in an Anaconda. I have been there myself to see it and i'd be happy to show you how many 4mil+ per missions I can take that are on offer with a simple few "mode" changes from solo to open etc. As I said before, the missions consist of biowaste and hydrogen, which aren't illegal and do not result in many interdictions at all if any.
If I had a Type 7 with max cargo cap for instance, if I picked my missions carefully, I could load up on around 10 missions earning a good 4mil average per each one.
I made the trip there to grab some images of the kind of missions I can get at both Ceos and Sothis
All these people - "http://i.imgur.com/uNgETvG.png" "http://i.imgur.com/34OWsmS.png" must be here for something as it is by far the most populated instance(s) I have ever seen, and this applies both to Sothis and Ceos.
Here are just *some* images I have taken in the last hour since writing this
http://i.imgur.com/XAv7kg8.png
http://i.imgur.com/k0LIIjr.png
http://i.imgur.com/1GY5OVY.png
http://i.imgur.com/cECJor3.png
http://i.imgur.com/b5bKJU1.png
http://i.imgur.com/vX2bPKL.png
http://i.imgur.com/U4qGzxP.png
http://i.imgur.com/P7GCVZK.png
http://i.imgur.com/zyxuIcm.png
(I could go on)
Through a simple process of changing through open, private, solo modes to instantly refresh the mission board; very large amounts of credits can be made in a (relatively) extremely small amount of time
However, don't get me wrong, mode switching isn't the issue I'm trying to address; it's the cases like these where doing so truly becomes an exploit to net players absurdly disproportionate amounts of money against risk
This is an issue that has been less prevalent than the Robigo abuse that happened a while ago, though just because it's not as well documented, doesn't mean it's any less damaging and unfair.
"Comrade Napoleon
OMG do these bugs still exist. No wonder every new Cmdr is on the " I want bandwagon"
FD has not only shot itself in the foot, it has shot itself in the head. Making all other game play unattractive, due to these "missions". They are diluting their own game to nothing.
Cheers Cmdr's"
A little harsh of a comment, but still rings true with these three systems (mainly Ceos and Sothis) still in full swing.
Surely something can be done to send this game in the right direction concerning money making, it should be risk=reward and not only that it would bring people back to more "conventional" methods such as mining, combat, trade, exploration, piracy rather than these borderline "exploit" missions.
And just another quick addition, though no less serious. I assume you're aware of people now abusing the "precious gems" which has just appeared in the past few days.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/4t8ea3/precious_gems_big_money_with_small_ships/
"A Cobra with 36t capacity will make 2.5 million each run and take about 30 minutes, so its great even if you have a small ship. Not sure how long this will last as it was left over from the final Dangerous Games Community Goal."
http://steamcommunity.com/app/359320/discussions/0/352788552268948240/
"Still grinding precious gems in Maiki system"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEm4Oe0OAl4
"Made 300mil yesterday lol, love my cutter"
"my god. just got my first anaconda. time to put that baby to work!"
"61k/t now. Just made 40,000,000 on 1 trip
"Another thing you might want to plug as people are already jumping on this in droves.
Smuggling was one thing, but the rate of risk vs reward in this scenario is in a completely different league of absurdity, and so long as it is available it will be *the* method majority of players will flock to for the sake of easy and fast money. It cannot be allowed to remain on the idealistic hope that players will generally opt for their play style of choice based on how much "fun" it is. Players just want money and are clearly willing to sacrifice any other potential experiences in-game to earn it ASAP.
Regards
CMDR AurumVitae