Ships Anaconda: Raw shield vs resist shielding

lemon407

L
I want to make sure im not missing something.
Is building shileds based upon resistance just all around better? Then building for absolute?
I'm sitting here messing around ship building and i came up with 2, one thats a straight absolute shield build and one thats focused on resist, and i legit cant see any down sides to the resist
-More overall shilelds against damage types
-lower power
-lower weight
-faster shield recharge
-roughly the same overall shield strength vs damage types.

So ignore everything but the 6 shield boosters, the 7a prismatic, and the 2 6a cell boosters.

This is the raw shield build:

Coriolis EDCD Edition

A ship builder, outfitting and comparison tool for Elite Dangerous
coriolis.io coriolis.io

This is the Resist build:

Coriolis EDCD Edition

A ship builder, outfitting and comparison tool for Elite Dangerous
coriolis.io coriolis.io

Before i go spending all the money to rengineer my shield boosters, am i crazy in this and missing something? or are augmented resistance with super caps, better then heavy duty with super cap?
 

sinisalo

sinisalo
For me I focus on the 'shield HP' section, or the raw MJ modified by the resist percentages. As you can see, your two examples are just about dead even across the board, but the second example has half the recovery. Winner.
 

F4fred

F4fred
As I understand no right answer. Balanced resistance builds are good for PvE as NPC’s don’t use weapons with absolute damage much. For PvP you need good absolute shield strength, without totally ignoring resistances as some common weapons do specific types of damage and even PA’s do some thermal and kinetic. For fighting Thargoids absolute shield MJ. Thargoid weapons do absolute damage so resistances are futile!
 

lemon407

L
sinisalo said:
For me I focus on the 'shield HP' section, or the raw MJ modified by the resist percentages. As you can see, your two examples are just about dead even across the board, but the second example has half the recovery. Winner.
Click to expand...
Actually they are not, if you look at total shield, the resist example actually has about 10k more kenetic, and about 5k more effective thermal between the two.

F4fred said:
As I understand no right answer. Balanced resistance builds are good for PvE as NPC’s don’t use weapons with absolute damage much. For PvP you need good absolute shield strength, without totally ignoring resistances as some common weapons do specific types of damage and even PA’s do some thermal and kinetic. For fighting Thargoids absolute shield MJ. Thargoid weapons do absolute damage so resistances are futile!
Click to expand...

This is good to know, that thargoids do just raw damage. I kinda hate that honestly, i find it really annoying that i have to have 2 totally separate pve combat builds but, nature of the game i suppose.
 

tolm

tolm
For PvE , I would say:

  • Bi Weaves and Resists will keep you in a HazRES or CZ longer
  • A-Grade or Prismatic with Resists might be more what you want for tanking damage when going after a single high-end assassination target
  • Bi Weaves plus Reinforced for Thargoids because they don’t care about resists!

For PvP I am led to believe everyone is rocking PAs - which also ignore resists - so raw MJ plus Shield Cell Banks is the norm. But I don’t do PvP so I’m probably not the best to advise on that. :)
 

sinisalo

sinisalo
lemon407 said:
Actually they are not, if you look at total shield, the resist example actually has about 10k more kenetic, and about 5k more effective thermal between the two.
Click to expand...

Are you looking at the builds you posted in the OP?

Explosive HP: Shield 1: 11,832 Shield 2: 11,756 (delta 76)
Kinetic HP: Shield 1: 9,860 Shield 2: 9,796 (delta 64)
Thermal HP: Shield 1: 4,930 Shield 2: 4,898 (delta 32)
 

lemon407

L
sinisalo said:
Are you looking at the builds you posted in the OP?

Explosive HP: Shield 1: 11,832 Shield 2: 11,756 (delta 76)
Kinetic HP: Shield 1: 9,860 Shield 2: 9,796 (delta 64)
Thermal HP: Shield 1: 4,930 Shield 2: 4,898 (delta 32)
Click to expand...

Friend scroll down and select defense tab :p on both
 

Northpin

Northpin
What do you want to do? IF PVE, usually the Prismatics are the wrong answer.
Bi-weaves will allow you to stay more in combat - assuming you are not actually focused all the time (shields are not recharging if you are hit.)
For PVP, the general consensus is Prismatics are the shield

Now i'd say that focusing only on resists makes you very vulnerable to absolute damage (and NPC do use a mix of weapons including Plasma which does 60% absolute damage) and to collisions/ramming (pure absolute damage). Focusing only on absolute value for shields is wrong again.

For Prismatics i will do it like this.
 

lemon407

L
Northpin said:
What do you want to do? IF PVE, usually the Prismatics are the wrong answer.
Bi-weaves will allow you to stay more in combat - assuming you are not actually focused all the time (shields are not recharging if you are hit.)
For PVP, the general consensus is Prismatics are the shield

Now i'd say that focusing only on resists makes you very vulnerable to absolute damage (and NPC do use a mix of weapons including Plasma which does 60% absolute damage) and to collisions/ramming (pure absolute damage). Focusing only on absolute value for shields is wrong again.

For Prismatics i will do it like this.
Click to expand...
Ok i really like this one, especially if i re-engineer the cell banks for specialized boss cells, to give them a 2k recharge, that way i can pop 1 at 50% shields and not waste shield regen from them.

Which would put both my kinetic and thermal effective shield health at over 20k each.
I think i might do this one.
 

Northpin

Northpin
lemon407 said:
Ok i really like this one, especially if i re-engineer the cell banks for specialized boss cells, to give them a 2k recharge, that way i can pop 1 at 50% shields and not waste shield regen from them.

Which would put both my kinetic and thermal effective shield health at over 20k each.
I think i might do this one.
Click to expand...

For PVE Specialized Boss Cells are ok
For PVP leave them as Rapid Charge Cells with Recycling Cell - way less chances to get their charge canceled by Feedback Cascade Rails

Also, i hope you know you can double bank both SCB on a single Heat Sink. And Rapid Charge helps with that oo
Fire a SCB and the heat sink at the same time (you need to have them bound to keys) then count to 5 and fire the second SCB
 

lemon407

L
Northpin said:
For PVE Specialized Boss Cells are ok
For PVP leave them as Rapid Charge Cells with Recycling Cell - way less chances to get their charge canceled by Feedback Cascade Rails

Also, i hope you know you can double bank both SCB on a single Heat Sink. And Rapid Charge helps with that oo
Fire a SCB and the heat sink at the same time (you need to have them bound to keys) then count to 5 and fire the second SCB
Click to expand...
Yep thats what i have been doing, with the raw str shield, is running 2 6a boosters with rapid boss, get to about 1/3 shield left then pop 2 cell boosts with a heat sink and call it a day and enjoy full health shields.
 

Oytis57

Oytis57
F4fred said:
As I understand no right answer. Balanced resistance builds are good for PvE as NPC’s don’t use weapons with absolute damage much. For PvP you need good absolute shield strength, without totally ignoring resistances as some common weapons do specific types of damage and even PA’s do some thermal and kinetic. For fighting Thargoids absolute shield MJ. Thargoid weapons do absolute damage so resistances are futile!
Click to expand...
Best answer.
 

Fenwe

F
Northpin said:
For PVE Specialized Boss Cells are ok
For PVP leave them as Rapid Charge Cells with Recycling Cell - way less chances to get their charge canceled by Feedback Cascade Rails

Also, i hope you know you can double bank both SCB on a single Heat Sink. And Rapid Charge helps with that oo
Fire a SCB and the heat sink at the same time (you need to have them bound to keys) then count to 5 and fire the second SCB
Click to expand...
I also maintain a fire group that has 2 SCB and the heat sync. When I'm out of combat and I want to recharge rings, I change to the fire, squeeze the trigger and poof, scbs and heat sync fires off and I'm back in business.

To Op: Realize though that your shields have to be up for the scbs to do you any good.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom