Animal Tierlist (but not how you expect)

I thought about this a bit, talked about it sometimes here on the forums and im on a long train ride with nothing to do, so how about we talk about the concept of needed animals and how to more or less objectivly rank them into different categories.
I hope this can spark a nice discussion about both the categories and where certain animals belong into, so lets begin:

Needed Animals
This is the most important and most steadily decreasing category, as it is honestly not that large anymore, as most of the animals have been put in allready.
Its about thouse very iconic animals, that just shouldnt be missing in your zoo game, as well as animals needed to properly build for a certain region. All of these animals chare that they either are still very common in zoos or have been in the past, for example not even half of all zoos that had polarbears in the past still keep them, but they are still an iconic zoo animal.
They also mostly come from underdeveloped regions or animal categories, but also have enough stand alone appeal, that they not only cover holes in the roster, but also are strong inclusions on their own, even if their niche wouldnt be contested in the game.
A good example would be the pelican, as we allready have a common aquatic bird with the flamingo, but the pelicans would shine so greatly, that even though their niche is allready coverd it would be an amazing pick. Good for them that just one species of waterfowl doesnt take away from them to much, or we would see them in a later category.
Most of the time we see them as the seller animals of their packs and there only has been one pack without one.
Some of my example picks would be the red deer, a lynx, emu, a wallaby, a pelican, african dwarf goats and the racoon.

Needed if they can make them work
These are the animals everybody would want, but would the current gameplay machaniks either to be overhauled or completly new ones.
The most obvious ones would be flying birds, with animals like the scarlet macaw and the snowy owl as must have picks, but also most notably gibbons with brachiation and in theorie also fully aquatic animals, but we will get to them.

Good Choice to flesh out a certain thing
Next on the priority list are animals, that could be overlooked in general and dont scream for being included like above, but they would nicly fill out a missing niche in the game, making it hard to argue against them. For example, the De Brazas Monkey is a fine monkey and animal to add in general, but becomes really, really good in the context that we just have one other tropical small monkey and none from africa, where their unique traits like being common in zoos, monogamie and living in the aquatic biome, give them an edge over other monkeys for this spot.
Another good example would be the Himalayan Tahr, which is also nothing special standalone, but with the lack of alpine animals and caprins, but already having three other himalayan animals, it would nicly fit into the game as the main prey species of the snow leopard and one of the few animals that likes to casually chill on mount everrest.
Some examples would be de Brazas Monkey, Himalayan Thar, White-faced-whistling-duck, Mara, Aadax, Collared peccary.

Standalone Animals that would be nice to have
Next tier, we have the capybaras of this world, the maned wolfs and the red river hogs.
Animals, that either already have their niche coverd (we have both an african and a tropical swine), already have alot of relatives in the game (hello canids) or simply are popular enough on their own, without actually feeling like they are crucually missing (Capybara, leopards).
These animals would be amazing to have and would be very fun addition, but are not necessarily needed, as we could have a complete feeling zoo game without them and they also dont cover some glaring holes in the roster, but they are just to darn cool to leave out. Their stand alone appeal is what makes them so desireable to be in the game, eventhough it wouldnt help to flesh the game out as much as other picks.
Some examples would be the capybara, leopard, maned wolf, red river hog, walrus.

Nice to have, okay Animal
These animals are just okay, neither needed because of their unique niche, nor popular enough to be somewhat needed just to satisfy lots of people.
They are all fine choices stand alone and often even good filler animals, but most people wouldnt get excited seeing a dlc only with them.
Often these animals are either already related to animals in the game or just not very exciting on their own.
A good example would be the american aligator, who many people wernt excited for, but because of the fact that they are distinct looking and very common in zoos a good choice on paper.
Important to say is, that this doesnt equal bad animal, as they can still be great, just simply not as needed in the game as other animals might have been.
The aligator again is a good example for that, as they look stunning and bring nice representation to the hot swamps of florida, while we at the same time already have 3 other crocodilians, making their niche not only contested, but pretty much coverd.
Most "reskins" or like we should call them as low effort animals would fall into this subsection.
Nice to have, but could have been something else or even worse, contest the spot of another, better suited animal.
Examples would be american black bear, cojote, jackal, white tailed deer, most south saharan antelopes, european brownbear.

Controversial Inclusions
We reached the spicy zone. These are animals that have both arguments for and against their Inclusion, mostly logistical or ethical.
These mostly include fully aquatic animals, cetaceans and domestic animals, but also very rare but unique animals like the probuscis monkey, which have both strong pro and cons.

Bad choices
Lastly, we have animals that shouldnt be in the game, with a majority and at times even the developer saying no, making it less controversial and more a shouldnt happen.
These animals are mostly not existant in zoos, without unique features that put them over similar, but actually held in zoos animals.
These include extinct, mythical and non existant animals, or for a living animal the saola.

So what do you guys think?
Anything i forgot?
Any animals that you would put into these categories?
Cant wait to see what you guys think ^^
 
Mr. Konig, how do these sound:

Good choice to flesh out a certain thing
  1. Any member of the tamarin family (×2. We need at least 2)
    • Golden lion
    • Cottontop
    • Emperor
  2. Howler monkey
  3. Any baboon
  4. Any langur
  5. Red deer
  6. Fallow deer
Standalone Animals that would be nice to have
  1. Wolverine
  2. Capybara - leaked, I know. But still
  3. Greater roadrunner
  4. Greater rhea
Nice to have ok animal
  1. Gray fox - have to admit it's not the most popular choice, more like a nice niche filler animal
  2. Nile crocodile
  3. Red wolf
Controversial inclusions
  1. Petting zoo animals (this would be domestic, I guess, but still felt it should be said)
Bad choices
  1. Aliens
  2. Cryptids
  3. Riffraff
 
While I really like the Meta-Wishlist and I appreciate all the work @random goat has put into it, your reflections on especially stand alone animals and good choices, made me think about an issue there is with it.

With some groups of animals most of us can easily agree that the representation in game is poor, but we have a hard time agreeing on which specific species we should add to deal with this bad representation.

Monkeys is a good example of this. Only two actual monkeys made it to the top 30 on the list, and they are even ranked quite low. If you look at the whole list, there is plenty of monkeys on it, but only a few species got a decent amount of votes. Because of that a lot of the stand alone animals end up overshining the big need for monkeys. In the end a lot of us probably find it more important just to get any monkey (to some extent) rather than the one or two specific species we put on our list.

I think part of the reason the leopard is so high up on the list (besides from big cats just being popular in general) is that it is easy to point out as the only missing of it's kind. It is the only big cat we got left, unless we start looking at subspecies. If the community had to choose between a leopard or a unique useful monkey, I am not sure the leopard would win in the end. But because we have to choose between 100+ different monkeys but only one big cat on our list, then the leopard end up looking more popular.

I hope you get what I mean.
 
That makes total sense.

We also have to remember that a huge part of the player base are casual players or those that aren't really into the animals. Nothing wrong with that, but it also goes to show who's choosing what.

Animal nerds/geeks want all the obsvure species and realistic species (Asian small clawed otter, capybara)
Builders want construction (they have a lot, though. I mean, with what we have we can build virtually anything, right?)
Casual wants nostalgia or animal icons (dolphins, leopards, extinct animals, cryptids)
 
Mr. Konig, how do these sound:

Good choice to flesh out a certain thing
  1. Any member of the tamarin family (×2. We need at least 2)
    • Golden lion
    • Cottontop
    • Emperor
  2. Howler monkey
  3. Any baboon
  4. Any langur
  5. Red deer
  6. Fallow deer
Standalone Animals that would be nice to have
  1. Wolverine
  2. Capybara - leaked, I know. But still
  3. Greater roadrunner
  4. Greater rhea
Nice to have ok animal
  1. Gray fox - have to admit it's not the most popular choice, more like a nice niche filler animal
  2. Nile crocodile
  3. Red wolf
Controversial inclusions
  1. Petting zoo animals (this would be domestic, I guess, but still felt it should be said)
Bad choices
  1. Aliens
  2. Cryptids
  3. Riffraff
Some good examples, nice job. Doubt that most of the community would agree on the greater roadrunner and rhea as big wowsies animals, but theres always some subjective bias. Also, the tamarins are as you said, something we actually need and i would rank them in the category of needed animals to get atleast one.


While I really like the Meta-Wishlist and I appreciate all the work @random goat has put into it, your reflections on especially stand alone animals and good choices, made me think about an issue there is with it.

With some groups of animals most of us can easily agree that the representation in game is poor, but we have a hard time agreeing on which specific species we should add to deal with this bad representation.

Monkeys is a good example of this. Only two actual monkeys made it to the top 30 on the list, and they are even ranked quite low. If you look at the whole list, there is plenty of monkeys on it, but only a few species got a decent amount of votes. Because of that a lot of the stand alone animals end up overshining the big need for monkeys. In the end a lot of us probably find it more important just to get any monkey (to some extent) rather than the one or two specific species we put on our list.

I think part of the reason the leopard is so high up on the list (besides from big cats just being popular in general) is that it is easy to point out as the only missing of it's kind. It is the only big cat we got left, unless we start looking at subspecies. If the community had to choose between a leopard or a unique useful monkey, I am not sure the leopard would win in the end. But because we have to choose between 100+ different monkeys but only one big cat on our list, then the leopard end up looking more popular.

I hope you get what I mean.
Absolutly agree with this. Its actually part of the reason i made this thread, because i belief that what we need most besides those few actually needed animals are mostly animals from the good category. Every dlc had atleast one of them (dallsheep (would argue the reindeer was as much needed as the polarbear), anteater, cassowary and koala, basicly all animals in the aquatic pack, binturong babirusa and malayan tapir, fennek fox and lastly prariedog and arctic fox), and all of them have over time become some of the fan favorites from their respective packs. That obviously isnt the end of the story, for example from those categorys, the dhole was only a okay addition, but actually my and as far as i know a few others favourite animal of the pack, because of its versatility.
If you asked me, one or two needed/standalone, one or two good, one okay animals make for the best 4+1 packs, while 2 okay animals and 2 good animals should be in every 7+1 dlc.
Because something this also didnt quite catch was the worth of the ability for an animal to be just okay, just some irrelevant rather uninteresting animal, because there is value to that.
I will till the end of time defend the arctic wolf as a good or after these categorys okay inclusion, because what it gave us was an element of choice, something that should be everywhere in a creative game. Thats why people want "reskin" packs, eventhough these would all just be okay inclusions in general, because they want to have a choice, but not only in cat, dog or bear, but also what cat, what dog and what bear. Those little differences are a very special kind of spicy that can elevate an animal, for example if we had gotten the american black bear in the north american pack, it would have been okay. If we had gotten them and the spectacle bear in a future pack, it would have been great as we would have all bears. This collection factor also plays a heavy role, especally on the meta list, as you have allready mentioned with the leopard or how it has been with the aligator.
 
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I'll only refer to your "needed animals" category, but I mostly agree with you here. Wallabies and emus would be really needed to give Australian sections that "final touch" so they don't all feel the same with the same five animals repeated over and over again (of course, ideally, we would get more than that, e.g. tasmanian devils, echidnas, tree kangaroos, a few birds etc., but that's not the point here).
Same goes for red deer, lynx, and probably also the Alpine Ibex for Europe. We did get the moose, but deer are still very much needed.
I'd also make a case for rabbits/hares of any kind, as that's an animal family still completely untouched by the game.

And other than that, pelicans, cranes/storks and definitely dromedaries.

As for primates/monkeys, I agree. In order for the film to feel "complete", I'd argue that we need at least one more primate from South America, Africa and Asia each, and ideally even more for better diversity. Howler monkeys and tamarins are both basically required for SA, we still need a baboon, and Asia would feel a lot better covered if we got both a langur and a much-requested gibbon.
That said, I also completely agree with what @SalamAnders wrote. Almost everyone agrees on wanting more monkeys, but given that so many possible selections are still uncovered, yet would probably be well-received, it's impossible to single out one species of primate, especially when a lot of individual opinions are added together.
 
Needed Animals
Capybara and leopard (probably Amur) are probably the final two "star" animals, though I'd also place the Przewalski's horse and lar gibbon here.

Needed if they can make them work
Flying birds, maybe smaller aquatic tanks. Also, heavily arboreal animals like sloths.

Good Choice to flesh out a certain thing
Monkeys (both Old and New World), plus many more ground/wading birds (storks, cranes, fowl, the secretarybird). I think we NEED at least two more monkeys and two or three more ground birds.

Standalone Animals that would be nice to have
Maned wolf, red river hog, fossa, takin, crested porcupine, tree-kangaroo, Asian small-clawed otter, Pallas's cat, rock hyrax.

Nice to have, okay Animal
A lot of reskins and more minor variations of existing animals--Masai giraffe, Nile crocodile, American black bear, black-and-white ruffed lemur, etc.

Controversial Inclusions
Sharks and smaller cetaceans are too much of a distraction from what Planet Zoo is "supposed" to be, especially with possibly only five DLC left. I'm also anti-walrus (they're being phased out of captivity in most places and are often forced to not have their famous tusks for safety reasons) and anti-platypus (very rare in captivity outside of Oceania, specialized care requirements that would make it mostly unsuitable for the existing habitat format). On the other hand, I'd be fine with the inclusion of domestic animals, something almost ubiquitous to real-life zoos.

Bad choices
Extinct animals, large cetaceans, cryptid/mythological animals. This isn't Zoo Tycoon.
My opinions on each category.
 
Needed Animals

  • MONOTREMES!!: we need platypus or Echidna (come one this guys are like one of the most unique animals of the word)
  • Regional representativeas: Middle east (camel, striped hyena), Central America representatives (tamandua, spider monkey) and Europe representatives (red fox, musk ox)
  • Birds: terrestrial (Emu, rhea), Semiaquatic birds (Pelican, Blue-footed booby)
  • Deers: elks, white deer


Needed if they can make them work

  • Flying birds and maybe exhibit bats
  • Aquatic animals cetaceans, fishes and Sirenia
  • Exhibit mammals


Good Choice to flesh out a certain thing

  • Any America’s primate (Spider monkey, Howler monkey, etc.)
  • Wombats/Tazmania devil (we already have 2 marsupials but they are so different from each other that they just feel like animals from different groups)
  • Otters (the giant otter is an excellent addition but it is so different than any other otter, that it could generate a good balance)


Standalone Animals that would be nice to have

- Any animal of the meta wishlist


Nice to have, okay Animal


- Boars (a swine for colder site will be fine)


Controversial Inclusion

  • Canids (with the exception of the red fox and maned wolf, any other canine I think would be frowned upon by much of the community)
  • Another African antelope (Although they have a great variety and are great for zoos, they are not at the top of almost anyone's list)
  • “Clones”: animals that are subspecies or very similar to existing species in the game
 
Lots to potentially add but, off the top of my head:
Needed Animals

Bennett’s wallaby, emu, red or fallow deer, alpine ibex,


Needed if they can make them work
Gibbons, flying birds, butterflies,

Good Choice to flesh out a certain thing

any river otter, aquatic birds, ground birds, Amazonian monkey (any), African monkey (any), langur, echidna, any salamander (exhibit), panther chameleon (exhibit), vicuña or guanaco, scimitar horned oryx, kiwi, land crabs (exhibit)


Standalone Animals that would be nice to have
Yellow-footed rock wallaby, tree kangaroo, coati, giant squirrel, platypus, Tasmanian devil, wombat, aye aye, capybara

Nice to have, okay Animal
Coyote, leopard, musk ox, wolverine, dromedary, k

Controversial Inclusions
Small Cetaceans, animals not kept in zoos, whale sharks, mountain gorilla,

Bad choices
Large cetaceans, extinct species, imaginary species, alien species. Animals clearly not able to be kept in zoos (e.g. giant squid).
 
Z Tier Animals (birds)

Needed Animals:
  • Lar Gibbon
  • Leopard (Amur/Indian)
  • Capybara
  • Crested Porcupine
  • Emu
  • Hamadryas Baboon
  • Squirrel Monkey
  • Asian Otter
  • Bennet's Wallaby

Needed if they can make them work:
This termin doesnt exist in my brain. They made beaver with dam behaviour as enrichment item, so they can make everything by simplifying things. It is just matter if they want to add such animal or not and then they will find the way.

Good choice to flesh out a certain thing:
  • European fauna: Wisent, Fallow Deer, Lynx...
  • Oceanian fauna: T. Devil, Wombat, Platypus..
  • Serval
  • Vervet Monkey
  • Tamarin (Lion/Emperor)

Standalone animals that would be nice to have:
  • Red River Hog
  • Maned Wolf
  • Coati
  • Giant Squirrel
Ok animals: Reskin species

Controversial Inclusions:
  • More canines
  • Cetaceans
Just no:
  • Cryptids/monsters
  • Extcint animals (hey, do you know there are coming 2 games with them? You can test them out)
 
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Needed Animals:
  • Alpine Ibex
  • Capybara
  • Crested Porcupine
  • Grey Crowned Crane / Secretary bird
Needed if they can make them work:
  • Gibbons: Lar Gibbon, Siamang (brachiation)
  • Flying birds (atm not overly excited by the JWE2 feature)
Good choice to flesh out a certain thing:
  • Fallow/Red Deer
  • Lynx
  • Asian Small-clawed Otter
  • Hamadryas baboon
  • European badger
Standalone animals that would be nice to have:
  • Red River Hog
  • Olive baboon
  • Pelican
  • Leopard
Ok animals:
  • Emu​
  • Dromedary camel​
  • Nine-banded Armadillo​
Controversial Inclusions:
  • More canines (we got a lot of them in DLC)
  • Cetaceans (enough said on this one)
  • Domesticated animals/petting zoo animals
  • Clone animals which don't have any different requirements than their already present counterpart)
Just no:
  • Fantasy
  • Extinct animals
 
Here are my choices, though they'll probably be a bit different from other people's :p

Needed animals:
Few animals remain in this category, but for me personally: Capybara. Red deer. Ibex. A small cat (ocelot, lynx, pallas cat, sand cat, caracal...).

Needed if they can make it work:
Spider monkeys, gibbons, howler monkeys, because they need to be able to climb well.
Cetaceans (yes I said it.) because they have a massive appeal, like it or not, but they need a lot of space, water depth, and the system needs to allow animals that never set foot on land.
Butterflies.

Good choice for fleshing out:
More deer (Persian fallow deer, marsh deer, roe deer, pere davids deer, wapiti, axis deer, pudu...)
More non-African antelopes (nilgai, blackbuck, chiru, saiga...)
More ground birds (rhea, emu, secretary bird, grey crowned crane).
More rodents (south American mara, hares, marmot...)
More marsupials (wallaby, tree kangaroo, Tasmanian devil, wombat...)
More monkeys (squirrel monkeys, tamarins, you name it)
Wolverines, badgers, caprines and sheep.

Standalone animals:
Platypus, leopard, maned wolf, golden takin.

Nice to have, ok animal:
More African antelopes (addax, eland, dikdik, gerenuk, duiker, hartebeest, blesbok, waterbuck, kudu, blue wildebeest...)
More bovines (wisent, banteng, water buffalo...)

Controversial inclusions:
Recently extinct animals like the Tasmanian tiger, great auk, dodo, tarpan, aurochs. I'd love to have them, they'd give so much more color to the game and give more appreciation for conservation efforts, because for these animals it came too late. Recently extinct animals definitely fall into the controversial inclusions category, and not in the bad choices category with the fantasy animals. Because extinct animals are real and tangible.

Bad choices:
Fantasy animals. Honestly, if an animal is real and exists (or existed until recently) I can't consider it a bad choice. So only fantasy animals in this category.
 
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