Animals and Birds living wild (also) in EUROPE.

Hello.

If I was to put this long letter simply. I am suggesting that the game should have a strong base of local animals for various areas - but mainly for Europe, because that is the area I am interested in. No zoo works without including several native animals and birds - they are not just all about some exotic tiger or lion or such. I found it rather odd to not see much any European animals in the game. If you don't have patience to read then this one is not for you.

I really find it a little bit silly if not strange - that there are very 'European' looking classical building blocks in the game. Red bricks for example. But where are the European animals in general?

As said, a Zoo does not simply run on display of foreign animals only - they do indeed have a strong backbone of local and domestic animals from large to small.

But at first - could you please FIX the Reindeer information within Planet Zoo game? It never mentions the FACT that in North Europe the animal IS not exactly or totally WILD, but in fact OWNED. This is why it SHOULD be possible to have these animals as petting zoo or walk in habitat animals - cause that is exactly what they are in Finland for example. They roam free yes, in the wilderness, but have markers in the ears and literally BELONG to the native population of Laplanders, whom herd them. So in north Europe, if you see a reindeer walking on that road, someone owns him and no it did not escape - it's just a normal situation. As far as I know the new baby reindeer belong to whom ever it's mother belongs to. There are these large events of gathering them all up and separating them for various purposes to tend the herd. There is no way their owners would accept someone hunting their animals. And the fact is that the population of Reindeer is so huge that the herders run out winter feed for their animals. Because they eat pretty much ONLY lichens of Cladonia family - like Cladonia stellaris. Which sends the herders for example in Finland south of the country in winter looking for set plant from the forests for the feed of their animals. Sure it is limited the space you got for animal info I suppose - but this bit of information really is rather notable for being missing. You can literally see in areal pictures where the herding areas being and end - due the lack of set lichen cover over the ground.

Before I go forward. I realize there is limits to what there could be in a game, but then again, to keep a game alive it needs new things. So I am in a way suggesting a wide selection of 'local' animals for various areas - starting with Europe.


So let me give here a list of set creatures, which I do believe should be in the game - because I wish there would come a European or generally 'domestic / local' animal pack including those either common or endangered species from Europe and why not some from other parts of the world too. I do mean a large pack to patch the notable lack of animals that would absolutely be found in a zoo - for being local to the area where the zoo is from. Not just all those exotic animals from other parts of the world - as it feels to be the case now. Having any classical building parts at all - but next to none European animals is STRANGE. Adding the most familiar animals from Europe is not boring - note to developers - I can't imagine why they aren't in the game?! Also, I know there are areal variants through out to world to them - but I am from Northern parts of EU so I'll go with what would help me to create a zoo like it would be in my native country or norther Europe in general and add here their Latin names to be accurate. I am certain my suggestions would create some very interesting habitat building requirements - and even a new type of a habitat size - not a tiny one, but small one and for some cases fully sealed, to prevent escapes. And then interesting bird habitats as well.

I am not used to speaking about set animal species in English - so I'll do Latin - hoping to not make a mistake doing this list. At least that way I can check that the English name is right, referring to the right animal in my own tongue. For me the most notable choices though many in number are green for clarity:

Saimaa ringed seal, Pusa hispida saimensi (Saimaannorppa in Finn). This animal is very endangered - living naturally ONLY in ONE SINGLE LOCATION in the world - the Lake Saimaa of Finland. It used to be even more in trouble, sightings being one very rarely - though these days one might be lucky to see 'colonies' of 4-5 at the time. Extremely pretty fur by the way. It is a SWEET WATER SEAL. While I know this animal may well not be known at all by most folks - it indeed deserves to exist in this game and in peoples awareness given that it is so very unique in the world. Apparently they did try or actually did plant this animal into some lake in the America.

(European) Brown Bear, Ursus arctos (is the main species, from which others like the Himalayan and Grizzly derive from!) Wait a moment? Why would the game only have subspecies? I really like each - but Brown Bear is endangered in many European countries and would indeed deserve a place in a zoo or one of those wildlife parks we can build in this game. In Finland their numbers are increasing and it is very important animal to our national culture both mythological as well as being the national animal of the country. So certainly I wish to see it in the game - the same as whooper swan, which I will mention with the birds list.
Eurasian lynx, Lynx lynx (sometimes called Felis lynx as there has been some reclassification from past days). These medium sized cats are VERY shy. Apparently they like to sit in large birch trees and will absolutely see a human before we will notice any trace of them. The area is very wide spread indeed from Europe to northern parts of Asia and even in Himalayas. It is suffering from habitat loss, fragmentation, poaching and depletion of prey. I have seen signs of bears and wolves in forests, but I have never seen even a single trace of a lynx - yet it is out there all over my native country of Finland. The only place where people generally get to see this animal is a zoo. I am not at all so enthusiastic about those big cats that are already in the game - except that Snow Leopard is my favorite animal in the game and I would like black variation of jaguars - those of course exist already.
European Moose, Alces alces (sometimes called 'elk' depending on the speaker's native tongue). To be specific, European Moose is not the same as Alces americanus! The first is currently a bit in trouble apparently due an illness common in the latter. That said, idk how European population has gotten infected with an illness from an American version of the animal - but it is a problem certainly.
Red Fox, Vulpes vulpes (The only native fox of Europe, all though there is tiny population of Arctic fox in Scandinavia.) This animal is absolutely beautiful and actually very fluffy at least in Finland. It also is very iconic in England for example. But for me it is that one animal we will see actually rather often even in populated areas. Sometimes even living in a city - oddly. I seen their pups play completely unaware of their surroundings on a road side next to some fields. And I seen one interact with people at a traditional dance hall - asking for bits of sausages sold for the people who came out to have a bit of a spin on the dance floor - lol. My very own mother had a fox until it returned in wild, because hunters had killed his mother and so grandpa bring the pup home and it grew up with them, when she was a child. I'd say that while I find the Saimaa Seal (mentioned above) more interesting for the game, it is impossible not to mention your ordinary red fox. Zoos would absolutely have some, because they do indeed keep local animals given that those should be easier to acquire. Other interesting fox would be silver fox, in the wild - when not in a fox farm - they are actually a color variant of the red fox.
Eurasian wolf, Canis lupus lupus / Grey wolf, Canis lupus (in game as the timber wolf?) (The grey wolf is said to be native to Eurasia and North America. Notable how ever is that Timber wolf for example is not the same wolf as Eurasian wolf!) Eurasian wolf is also know as the common wolf. And I feel bit confused because the timber wolf is named in Latin, with in the game as Canis lupus, which is in fact the Grey Wolf. Mostly images I seen of Timber wolf seem brown, more than grey. While there is a wolf called Eastern Wolf, Canis lupus lycaon which actually is known as timber wolf or eastern timber wolf. I am not an expert here - but it seems obvious the wolf in the game is an American wolf - not the Eurasian wolf - so latter is there for missing from the game.
Eurasian Red Squirrel, Sciurus vulgaris (is primarily herbivorous, arboreal rodent. There just is great lack of rodents in general in the game and these squirrels fit well the domestic species factor I am after here. Besides these animals are very popular in general, most people, even those who aren't into a zoo or such like them. People will feed the with nuts at their home yards - but how many of us know that a squirrel may develop long lasting relationships with their siblings even if they find others to mate with and thus can be seen defending their habitat area together. Squirrels are a large group in general around the world having huge number of different kinds.
Northern Flying Squirrel, Pteromyini / Petauristini (while not actually able to fly, they do glide.) This would be extremely interesting animal to make a habitat for, small habitat, where it is not at all easy to keep them in - lol. But honestly speaking, this omnivorous animal is very rare and hard to spot because it is so careful. People have had tendencies to keep them as 'pocket pets'.
Arctic Fox, Vulpes lagopus (This is absolutely arctic tundra animal.) Given the packs in the game, arctic fox seems to be literally missing from the game! It is very beautiful too and lives in far-away areas up north.
Eurasian Beaver, Castor fiber (often 'replaced' with the american variant, a fact alone which should earn it a preservation spot to have the population rejuvenated in the wild). Is a second largest rodent after the capybaras in the world. The whole idea of building a dam for a beaver is very interesting idea for the game in general.
Lemming, Lemmus lemmus (yes this is the animal your 'lemming train' expression comes from in the games). For that reason alone it should be a thing in a zoo game. But seriously speaking, this small rodent is from arctic tundra biomes - a gain being one of those animals which absolutely should have been included already. Besides it is wild but related to rats, mice, hamsters and gerbils, which all some folks have as pets. And it's strange migration habits are true - these little fellows will follow the leader even jumping of from huge cliffs. (LATER EDIT: I don't wish to have to tell this to people several times so I add this. I do not refer to the misconception of them making 'suicide jumps' but simply jumping down edges rather large to their size. These animals are small and light, they can swim. Some species of lemmings migrate more than others. They do this mostly due food loss in areas and they are fine with the jumps they make. Again I am not saying they do suicide jumps, something to do with some silly documentaries from past times, which indeed is a misconception. Had just forgot that set misunderstanding exists - so pleas do not say I am spreading wrong info.)
European hare, Lepus europaeus
Lepus,
timidus
The two different rabbit animals would also be a good idea.

Mustelidae, Mustela. (This is a whole group aka family of animal species, including small carnivorous mammals as follows weasels, badgers, otters, ferrets, martens, minks and wolverines + others.) It would be HIGHLY interesting to build relatively small habitats for small animals. As there are several in this group, let me name a few specific interests: Eurasian otter (Lutra lutra) which by the way is called common otter and has other names - it just happens to be the most widely spread otter for living area - the population health is very different through our various countries. European Pine Marten, Martens martens / Martens melampus (is actually just one of many different kinds of martens through out the world.) But it most definitely is one of those domestic animals a zoo should have to show, besides they tend to be hunted aka trapped for fur trade in some countries. I think they were the kind to prefer leaf forests, but can live even in taiga areas. European mink, Mustela lutreola (notable is not closely related to American mink.) Requires a river that does not fully freeze in winter. Listed as critically endangered so it absolutely should be part of programs to save animals which a zoo would get involved with. And has to compete with American Mink for living space cause people introduced the american species to Europe at some point, cause it was over hunted.
Wolverine, Gulo gulo (largest of land living Mustelidae). Very ferocious, may kill pray larger than itself. Found mostly in Northern boreal forests, subarctic and alpine tundra. It is a scavenger mostly by the way and there are related species in northern parts of America. It suffers from trapping and habitat fragmentation. Already rare in southern parts of Europe - much like bears for example. European Badger, Meles meles (is very iconic animal in European environment - and a NIGHT ANIMAL). In fact many of these animals would move around at night. And this game actually has nights - so these animals should be rather interesting addition all together. Badgers do eat more than just meat though classified as carnivore.

Wild Boar, Sus scrofa (is one of the most well known aka famous wild game animals yet it is not common for people to see them in today's world.) It should be absolutely included, after all it is local to most of the Europe, even if it can not survive in north without feeding if the winters are true with snow and ice covering the ground. It has been known and spoken about widely, enough for us to know how important it was in the history for hunters and in some places still today. But there is a difference in human supported populations and naturally wild groups of these animals - and surely a zoo would wish to show them in their wild state, instead of almost like a farm animal.
White Tailed Deer, Odocoileus virginianus. (Certainly by origin this animal is from North America, but it has been added into animal population of for example Finland, and some few other countries by human hands - and tends to be widely hunted. The fact that some populations are healthy and even living in ares not their natural habitat, except for being similar - should not prevent an animal becoming part of the options within the game. It is easy to observe these in the wild at rural areas - but not all people live where they could see wild animals.
Red Deer, Cervus elaphus (does not live in most norther parts of Europe being a temperate animal, but it indeed is the largest of deer in general!) Certainly I must be fair to our Central European friends to mention this one. Again, this kind of animals are indeed something that would be seen commonly in a zoo.

I was literally disappointed to find out that these kind of common or locally endangered species from Europe are missing form the game. I literally think these should be the very back bone of any zoo game - always there. Same goes for certain birds. A zoo will nearly always have a large share of local (domestic but not pet or farm) animals for where ever the zoo in question is located at. Same likely will go for other areas in the world. But it really is high time to see a ton of European animals in the game. Tigers and such world widely familiar, great animals, are still not commonly everywhere - but any a zoo will have good collection or locals.

It may be very interesting to make bird / animal hospital / rehabilitation center - maybe birds could be release only animals arriving to the game zoo in bad condition to be cared for to be released - that function is there already. This is my list of the truly missing birds - sry but there just aren't enough of them in the game in general - but I will speak of local birds to my area leaving the exotic paradise birds to others to request. Notably Finland's wetlands are nesting grounds for great percentage of European migrating birds so... can't name them all... yet I simply want, these notably lovely birds from Europe:

Whooper Swan,
Cygnus Cygnus (has a yellow, not orange peak.) This happens to be the national bird of Finland. It is the Eurasian counterpart of the trumpeter swan. It is threatened, living mostly in more tundra like areas but does indeed winter in several southern areas of Europe. Needs by the way large water areas cause they young have too weak legs to support them on land. So they eat water plants from shallow wetland areas and learn to walk on land better as they grow up - which should be interesting feature related to habitat build. (Generally speaking, even your general Swan (Cygnus) would be nice, but they are far more common and zoo's in these days are involved in preserving the life of more rare species. And if there is a flamingo in the game - swan is really about as iconic as a flamingo.)
Common crane, Grus grus (is the ONLY commonly found species of cranes in Europe, besides demoiselle crane.) Medium sized but the tallest in North of Europe. Performs very lovely dance during mating season. And for these reasons should absolutely be available for people to see. Often birds that migrate return to where they grew up - or can be kept inside during cold seasons. It is actually quite nice looking bird.
Barnacle goose, Branta leucopsis (is notably the kind to nest on high mountain cliffs but then goes to feed on lakes and rivers.) Very pretty bird for a goose! A bird to which Arfican-Eurasian Migratory Waterbirds conservation agreement applies to. Has been in zoos.
Common Goldeneye, Bucephala clangula (is a sea duck, when it flies it's wings whistle). Looses feathers anally, when it can not fly before new feathers grow. Spread of the bird is again very wide. Nests for a month - in a bird house. Baby birds must jump out from the nest hole only day old - then the mother takes them into small bays to feed and leaves them there, not all in one place, and checks on them for few weeks - and will leave them then to survive on their own. Will enter the nest hole in full flight and bangs against the back wall doing so. Quite unusual in many ways.
Black-throated loon, Gavia arctica (is a diving bird who hunts fish for food.) It could be considered 'top predator' in the areas of it's breeding like on the lakes of it's choice. Feeds it's young even when they are a month old. In this way very different to the one above. And will later feed the less grown of the two young baby birds more than the stronger one to have them both grow strong. Dives for 17-27 seconds.

White-tailed Eagle, Haliaeetus albicilla (is a very large species of sea eagle. I am sure many American would like to see the white-head eagle - but this eagle has it's troubles in the wild and struggles for example because a lot of toxins gather into it's body never leaving. It lives or should live in many parts of Europe, and Siberia. It is known that at times people have tried to steal it's eggs and there for their nests are often held as a secret from the public. In some areas there may be more of them, but at other areas it is still in trouble even if things have turned for better. It simply is beautiful, powerful and lovely bird of prey - I'd love to add an eagle rehabilitation center for a zoo. Oddly, though I am European, I have seen a white head eagle close, but never the white-tailed eagle - except for seeing them fly high in wild.
Eurasian Eagle-owl, Budo budo (lives in most areas of Eurasia all though it is not a common bird for people to see flying about). Many a time I repeat the same point - it is local, yet a zoo would be the best place to see one and for people to learn about them. In my country people still have forest to enjoy and move around about - but though I am from Finland I live in France and here it is pretty much one big city. It is very rare to see any wild animals. I figure many European really would need to go to a zoo to see their local wildlife as well.
Golden eagle, Aquila chrysaetos (is maybe the best known bird of prey in the northern-hemisphere, because it distributes most widely.) Yet it has disappeared from many areas where people populations are heavy - which means that many city folks would not have maybe even seen one in the nature.
Northern goshawk, Accipiter gentilis (is a medium-large raptor, and yet the only species in the genus Accipiter found in both Eurasia and North America.) It is so widely spread that it should be good addition for both Europeans and Americans, others too.
Osprey, Pandion haliaetus (Prefers to eat fish, water birds and frogs - being VERY widely spread through out the entire world.) The fact of it's spread area alone should make it important addition to the game.
Long-eared Owl (Cat Owl), Asio otus (is also known as Northern long-eared owl.) Very widely spread and has large breeding range in the world. Has a funny habit of using nests built buy other birds. And success of breeding depends on availability of small rodents and its other pray animals. Very territorial. Another fairly unique characteristic of this species is its partially for regular roosts that are often shared by a number of long-eared owls at once. And as such could make very interesting game bird. Babies sound like un-oiled hinges when they request for food :p.
Eurasian pygmy owl, Glaucidium passerinum (is the smallest owl in Europe, does not migrate and stores food into various holes or birdhouses if it did not need to eat all at once. Considering the game, it is unusually for owls, the kind to hunt in the day or at evening times.

Yes I am aware that some folks would want the barn owl, but I chose to go with those more common to my native areas. Which is why I would even add the Snowy owl, Budo scandiacus to this list. After all it is large and white - rather impressive and would have belonged to arctic animals / birds.

Western capercaille, Tetrao urogallus (is largest of all extant grouse species.) Likes pine trees and needs little rocks for to grind the food. Is aggressive during breeding season may even attack adult people. Most beautiful of these type of birds. Quite iconic, often used as models for paintings - thus should well work in a game. Very handsome breeding behavior.
Black grouse, Lyrurus tetrix (tetrix) (sometimes called Eurasian black grouse.) Has a tail in shape of a lyre. While generally this bird may be considered not to be in danger - this is not the case in all countries due hunting. It is about as beautiful as the one above and similar - so it would be useful to have the both to show the differences.
Willow ptarmigan, Lagopus lagopus. (makes rather 'rude' sounds, but is absolutely taiga and especially iconic arctic bird.) Should absolute be included for being arctic given that currently it is missing.
Common oo, Cuculus Canorus (Has very wide breeding range, but notably does not care for it's eggs - but instead will in fact make them into the nests of other birds.) It's non-nesting habits would make it rather interesting bird to care for in a zoo - likely requiring false nests for it to lay eggs into and make the zoo workers to actually care for them. (Note: Aren't I lucky to have used also the Latin name because this website automatically edits to remove the front part of the second word in actual name of this bird leaving just 'oo'. Silly automated systems created by over screamish cultures that can't apparently handle even actual names remotely resembling certain naughty parts - sighs.)
Long-tailed / bushtit, Aegithalos caudatus (is the only one of it's kind in Europe, and is in fact not a 'true birdtit'. (Kindly, remove the word 'brid' from end of the last word in previous sentence, it is in the name actually, the system just is overly screamish about it being somehow naughty, sighs.)) It makes 8-12 eggs and even other long-tailed may help feeding the baby-birds than just the parents. This bird is absolutely adorable and should therefor be in the game. I'll include a picture of it. My absolutely favorite by the way. Picture down to prove I am not being naughty with words lol.
Common wood pigeon, Columba palumbus (is absolutely not the same pigeon you will see in the city.) At least in Finland this is the largest pigeon and rather pretty. Iconic sound and both female and male creates 'dove milk' for baby birds - must drink once a day. Again interesting and different kind of a bird that would be rather educative on natures variable solutions.

There could in fact be a lot of small birds so I will simply create a list, first simply families: in general, chickadees like Eurasian blue , Cyanistes caeruleus. The thrushes, Turdidae like Mistle thrush, Turdus viscivorus. Finches, Fringillidae like European goldfinch, Carduelis carduelis. Buntings, Emberizae like Yellowhammer, Emberiza citrinella. Sylviidae, Sylviidae (yes english name is same as in Latin) like Eurasian blackcap, Sylvia atricapilla. Motacillidaes, Motacillidae like white wagtail, Motacilla alba. Swallows, Hirundinidae like the Barn Swallow, Hirundo rustica. Or some single birds like: Common nightingale, Luscinia megarhynchos, for it's pretty song. Common Redstart, Phoenicurus phoenicurus. Bluethroat, Luscinia svecica.

Well that is a large suggestion, I know. No need to tell me how impossible it is to have it all. Time and several packs could get close though, unless the game developers would really take a cool leap. But yes these were my 'small hopes'. I really wish it did not focus only on those exotic animals.

Sincerely,
Lyriga

PS. The picture has long-tailed name not allowed in it. Now isn't it cute - should absolutely be accepted.
 

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Hello Lyriga! It's nice to see more supporters for Europe. I will try to comment some of the things you mentioned.

First of all, I agree that there's a big lack of European animals. We have 5 habitat animals so far and no exhibit animals. That being said, the polar bear and the flamingo aren't the most representative animals for Europe, so we only have 3 animals that are easily associated with Europe: the wolf, the grey seal and the reindeer. When the game was launched, South America and Australia were suffering the same problem, and it was partially solved with their DLCs, so hopefully Europe will get a pack too (or will get more animals through other packs, like we got the seal, polar bear and reindeer).

Now I want to focus on some of the animals you mentioned:
But at first - could you please FIX the Reindeer information within Planet Zoo game? It never mentions the FACT that in North Europe the animal IS not exactly or totally WILD, but in fact OWNED. This is why it SHOULD be possible to have these animals as petting zoo or walk in habitat animals - cause that is exactly what they are in Finland for example.
I'm currently liing in Finland and I'm learning a lot about reindeers. The thing is that the animal we got is the general species, which covers all the subspecies from North America, Asia and Europe. So it represents the domestic reindeer, but also the wild reindeer. Helsinki Zoo, for instance, has the wild forest reindeer, not the domestic one, and they don't allow for walk-in. I learned more about this subspecies on this site: https://www.suomenpeura.fi/en/home-page.html Personally, when there's an animal so widespread, I prefer that they choose the general species instead of one particular subspecies.


European Moose, Alces alces (sometimes called 'elk' depending on the speaker's native tongue). To be specific, European Moose is not the same as Alces americanus! The first is currently a bit in trouble apparently due an illness common in the latter. That said, idk how European population has gotten infected with an illness from an American version of the animal - but it is a problem certainly.
Here I would prefer again that we get the general species (Alces alces) instead of choosing one of the American or European subspecies. That allows more freedom for players. This is what they did with the wolf, although the name is confusing. The timber wolf, according to the Zoopedia, is actually the general grey wolf, which covers all wolves from America and Eurasia. Having specifically the Eurasian wolf would only be possible if the current timber wolf was renamed to be one of the American subspecies. Depending on on which language you play the game, this particular wolf has a different name...

However, with the brown bear they took the opposite direction and instead of adding the general species, they added two subspecies: grizzly and Himalayan. I wish they had chosen grizzly and Eurasian instead, or just a general brown bear that we could use as the subspecies we wanted. Unfortunately, we are not going to get a third brown bear subspecies, so I hope someone does a mod for the Eurasian brown bear.

About the lynx, this is a must have for me in a European pack. I would prefer Iberian lynx (south Europe also needs representation, and the reintroduction effort must be rewarded), but the Eurasian lynx would be great too.

For the deer, I don't think having both white and red deer is interesting, a combination of red deer and fallow deer seems more appealing to me.

About the Saimaa ringed seal, I never heard of it before moving to Finland, so I understand what you mean. However, I think the grey seal was a better option and I don't expect to see a second seal before we get a sea lion. Besides, this subspecies is not found in zoos (as far as I know).

Foxes, beavers, badgers, otters, wild boars, wolverines... they would be excellent additions to the game too.

You didn't mentioned any "goats", but there are many options (Alpine ibex, European moufflon, chamois...).

Although mostly African, we have a monkey in Europe: the barbary macaque! I'd like to have it, but chances are low.

Finally, I also agree we have lots of interesting birds. I hope that if we get an aviary pack, it is a big one and it includes European birds too!
 
Good List

But:

And it's strange migration habits are true - these little fellows will follow the leader even jumping of from huge cliffs.
Please don't share false Informations. Lemmings don't do this. It was for some Reason faked in a gruesome Way by just throwing them into the Ocean. They even built a Machine for it. They faked it for a "Documentary" by Disney.


(wanted to put it in a Spoiler but for some reason it didn't work)
for more Informations I recommend to watch this at the Timestamp 8:13
Source: https://youtu.be/jUzDDSqWt8c



Also you're mentioning Animals as being domesticated that aren't domesticated. Maybe you've meant another Word?
 
Hi Lygira,

Some interesting ideas, but I broadly agree with Aramar's post, above... I'll talk about some of the habitat animals you mentioned but will ignore the birds for now, since they're not really in the game as yet - broadly, though, I think that 18 species, plus additional small species is waaaaay to many to realistically expect from a single continent - possibly even globally.

Overall, I think that, although your list is good, it is excessively long. Europe has very few endemic species compared to other continents (for various biogeographic reasons) and many of the groups you've suggested would be better represented, in my view, by species from other locations, or by broader species that cross multiple regions.


Saimaa ringed seal, Pusa hispida saimensi
We only have one piniped in the game so far, and it is already a European/North American species, and is actually found in zoos... If/when we get more pinnipeds, I'd much prefer an alternative species, such as the calafornian sealion.

Brown Bear, Ursus arctos
I agree with Aramar here - I'd have much preferred the Eurasian brown bear, rather than the Himalayan brown bear was added at the game's launch. Given that we already have two subspecies of brown bear, and that its very unlikely that Frontier will change the classification of those already in the game, I don't think another subspecies is needed.

Eurasian lynx, Lynx lynx
Yep - this would be a great addition but maybe in a threatened or endangered species pack or a boreal pack rather than a Europe pack.

European Moose, Alces alces
This species isn't restricted to Europe, but is also found across Asia and North America - Again, like Aramar, I'd prefer they include the full range of the species rather than opting for a subspecies. I think this species would be a good addition, but perhaps in a 'boreal' pack (animal pack) rather than a Europe or North American pack.

Red Fox, Vulpes vulpes
Since I'm from Australia, where these guys are a major pest, I don't particularly want them. Rather, I'd much prefer the arctic fox as a fox species.

Eurasian Beaver, Castor fiber
I'd quite like a beaver. I'm not fussed, though, whether it was the Eurasian or the North American species.

Lemming, Lemmus lemmus
Unless mammal exhibits are added, I think these guys are just too small... As Aramar noted, they do not throw themselves off cliffs.

European hare, Lepus europaeus
Lepus, timidus

Meh... These guys don't really interest me.

Mustelidae, Mustela
I love martens and mustelids in general. Not sure which species I'd add but I could see a European species being a good choice.

Otter (Lutra lutra)
I'd love an otter, but would prefer the asian small-clawed otter to a eurasian species - in Zoos through my region, they're much more common.

Wolverine, Gulo gulo
Like the moose and lots of others on this list, I'd prefer this as part of a general 'boreal' pack, since they range across all the northern continents.

European Badger, Meles meles
Yep, I think this is a good addition.

Wild Boar, Sus scrofa
Possibly,... i don't hate it, but kinda meh.

White Tailed Deer, Odocoileus virginianus
Red Deer, Cervus elaphus

I don't think two species from the same region are needed. I'd go with the red dear I think but not really fussed about the species TBH.

Overall:
I'm actually not sure that there are enough endemic European species to justify even a 4-animal pack, especially since we already have plenty of European-style buildings. Rather, I think that a few additional species that inhabit Europe could be included easily in other packs, such as a Boreal (taiga) pack, or an endangered or threatened species pack... Also, I'd certainly add Ibex to the list of European species that would be good additions
 
I'm actually not sure that there are enough endemic European species to justify even a 4-animal pack, especially since we already have plenty of European-style buildings
Although we agree on most of the things exposed above, I can't help disagreeing on the endemic factor. "Endemic" means "native and restricted to a certain place", so bearing in mind that Europe, Asia (and Africa) are the same landmass, it's normal to have animals in both political continents. Therefore, any "Eurasian" animal could be considered endemic, especially those that mostly occur in the part of land that's called Europe. For example, for me, red deer, fallow deer, Eurasian beaver, Eurasian badger... are endemic to Eurasia, which means they could perfectly be part of a European pack.

On the other hand, if we consider "endemic animals" those strictly found in one continent, only one DLC so far has been made up of exclusive endemic animals, the SEA pack. All other packs have included non-endemic animals. The Arctic pack brought polar bears and reindeer. South America pack brought the jaguar. Australia brought the cassowary. The aquatic pack brought the king penguin and the grey seal. The leaked Africa pack brings the fennec fox. Besides, the base game had several non-endemic animals too: flamingo, wolf, saltwater crocodile, cheetah, Baird's tapir.

What I mean is that "endemic" on the strict sense is not a compulsory factor in this game, but despite that, it is very easy to make a European pack with animals that are either 100 % endemic to Europe only, or endemic to Eurasia but with a major distribution in Europe, for example:

-Iberian lynx (Europe)
-Alpine ibex or European moufflon (Europe)
-Red or fallow deer (Eurasia)
-Eurasian beaver or Eurasian badger (Eurasia)
 
Hello Lyriga! It's nice to see more supporters for Europe. I will try to comment some of the things you mentioned.

First of all, I agree that there's a big lack of European animals. We have 5 habitat animals so far and no exhibit animals. That being said, the polar bear and the flamingo aren't the most representative animals for Europe, so we only have 3 animals that are easily associated with Europe: the wolf, the grey seal and the reindeer. When the game was launched, South America and Australia were suffering the same problem, and it was partially solved with their DLCs, so hopefully Europe will get a pack too (or will get more animals through other packs, like we got the seal, polar bear and reindeer).

Now I want to focus on some of the animals you mentioned:

I'm currently liing in Finland and I'm learning a lot about reindeers. The thing is that the animal we got is the general species, which covers all the subspecies from North America, Asia and Europe. So it represents the domestic reindeer, but also the wild reindeer. Helsinki Zoo, for instance, has the wild forest reindeer, not the domestic one, and they don't allow for walk-in. I learned more about this subspecies on this site: https://www.suomenpeura.fi/en/home-page.html Personally, when there's an animal so widespread, I prefer that they choose the general species instead of one particular subspecies.



Here I would prefer again that we get the general species (Alces alces) instead of choosing one of the American or European subspecies. That allows more freedom for players. This is what they did with the wolf, although the name is confusing. The timber wolf, according to the Zoopedia, is actually the general grey wolf, which covers all wolves from America and Eurasia. Having specifically the Eurasian wolf would only be possible if the current timber wolf was renamed to be one of the American subspecies. Depending on on which language you play the game, this particular wolf has a different name...

However, with the brown bear they took the opposite direction and instead of adding the general species, they added two subspecies: grizzly and Himalayan. I wish they had chosen grizzly and Eurasian instead, or just a general brown bear that we could use as the subspecies we wanted. Unfortunately, we are not going to get a third brown bear subspecies, so I hope someone does a mod for the Eurasian brown bear.

About the lynx, this is a must have for me in a European pack. I would prefer Iberian lynx (south Europe also needs representation, and the reintroduction effort must be rewarded), but the Eurasian lynx would be great too.

For the deer, I don't think having both white and red deer is interesting, a combination of red deer and fallow deer seems more appealing to me.

About the Saimaa ringed seal, I never heard of it before moving to Finland, so I understand what you mean. However, I think the grey seal was a better option and I don't expect to see a second seal before we get a sea lion. Besides, this subspecies is not found in zoos (as far as I know).

Foxes, beavers, badgers, otters, wild boars, wolverines... they would be excellent additions to the game too.

You didn't mentioned any "goats", but there are many options (Alpine ibex, European moufflon, chamois...).

Although mostly African, we have a monkey in Europe: the barbary macaque! I'd like to have it, but chances are low.

Finally, I also agree we have lots of interesting birds. I hope that if we get an aviary pack, it is a big one and it includes European birds too!
I had to limit my long message somehow so yes - I did not mention all types of animals like goats for example and skipped over few that had been mentioned by others - notably in videos as I am new to this forum. And maybe you are right about the generic species - but it was with wolf bit funny to find that it's called 'Timber wolf' in the game while it has the Latin name of the grey wolf - lol. Had me scratching my head that one. I am a Finn by the way, and oh yea you are right - there is a wild version of the reindeer - it just does not have much space where most of the domestic ones are owned - I suppose - at least it used to have more population where people did not own their own, but even the Saimaa ringed seal has started to grow in numbers so I have no idea about the condition of set reindeer population - well yet. I just don't live there anymore cause my husband is French. I generally went with the animals I knew most of. And if it would be generic reindeer with ability for petting zoo - then one could choose to have it as the domestic one. And in part the point this use of the animal out was because I notice that people around the world do not actually know about them being owned at first even when they come to visit. So figured there should be a line or two text about their cultural link to laplanders.
 
Good List

But:


Please don't share false Informations. Lemmings don't do this. It was for some Reason faked in a gruesome Way by just throwing them into the Ocean. They even built a Machine for it. They faked it for a "Documentary" by Disney.


(wanted to put it in a Spoiler but for some reason it didn't work)
for more Informations I recommend to watch this at the Timestamp 8:13
Source: https://youtu.be/jUzDDSqWt8c



Also you're mentioning Animals as being domesticated that aren't domesticated. Maybe you've meant another Word?
To you I'll say to search this topic more. https://www.ualberta.ca/folio/2020/...an-previously-thought-new-study-suggests.html And in Finland for example: https://www.tripstodiscover.com/reindeer-experiences-in-finland/ There is of course wild ones too - but in certain parts of the world reindeer are also domesticated. I may not have expressed myself clearly enough. But I happen to be from a country where the domesticated version exists so I think I am right. And by the way many animals will jump of seemingly crazy heights compared to their size - like the chicks of the common goldeneye (bird) - when they are barely one day old. Which is cause their mother nests in a bird house or hole at certain height up a tree. And only way for them to get down in by jumping - and notably their mother will not stay with the chicks for very long letting them as one or two in various relatively good feeding spots and keeping loose eye on them barely two weeks before leaving. And about lemmings I was NOT referring to the misconception of 'mass suicide', never even mentioned it. But they do indeed jump off cliffs - they do how ever know to swim and can take quite big drops being so light. They must migrate when their populations get really huge due food loss in the area) and some sub species of lemmings have more tendencies - or let us say need for such traveling behavior than others likely due their specific living locations.The miss conception part is generally about them killing themselves during their travel - but that is not the case, not due the drop.
 
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Hi Lygira,

Some interesting ideas, but I broadly agree with Aramar's post, above... I'll talk about some of the habitat animals you mentioned but will ignore the birds for now, since they're not really in the game as yet - broadly, though, I think that 18 species, plus additional small species is waaaaay to many to realistically expect from a single continent - possibly even globally.

Overall, I think that, although your list is good, it is excessively long. Europe has very few endemic species compared to other continents (for various biogeographic reasons) and many of the groups you've suggested would be better represented, in my view, by species from other locations, or by broader species that cross multiple regions.


Saimaa ringed seal, Pusa hispida saimensi
We only have one piniped in the game so far, and it is already a European/North American species, and is actually found in zoos... If/when we get more pinnipeds, I'd much prefer an alternative species, such as the calafornian sealion.

Brown Bear, Ursus arctos
I agree with Aramar here - I'd have much preferred the Eurasian brown bear, rather than the Himalayan brown bear was added at the game's launch. Given that we already have two subspecies of brown bear, and that its very unlikely that Frontier will change the classification of those already in the game, I don't think another subspecies is needed.

Eurasian lynx, Lynx lynx
Yep - this would be a great addition but maybe in a threatened or endangered species pack or a boreal pack rather than a Europe pack.

European Moose, Alces alces
This species isn't restricted to Europe, but is also found across Asia and North America - Again, like Aramar, I'd prefer they include the full range of the species rather than opting for a subspecies. I think this species would be a good addition, but perhaps in a 'boreal' pack (animal pack) rather than a Europe or North American pack.

Red Fox, Vulpes vulpes
Since I'm from Australia, where these guys are a major pest, I don't particularly want them. Rather, I'd much prefer the arctic fox as a fox species.

Eurasian Beaver, Castor fiber
I'd quite like a beaver. I'm not fussed, though, whether it was the Eurasian or the North American species.

Lemming, Lemmus lemmus
Unless mammal exhibits are added, I think these guys are just too small... As Aramar noted, they do not throw themselves off cliffs.

European hare, Lepus europaeus
Lepus, timidus

Meh... These guys don't really interest me.

Mustelidae, Mustela
I love martens and mustelids in general. Not sure which species I'd add but I could see a European species being a good choice.

Otter (Lutra lutra)
I'd love an otter, but would prefer the asian small-clawed otter to a eurasian species - in Zoos through my region, they're much more common.

Wolverine, Gulo gulo
Like the moose and lots of others on this list, I'd prefer this as part of a general 'boreal' pack, since they range across all the northern continents.

European Badger, Meles meles
Yep, I think this is a good addition.

Wild Boar, Sus scrofa
Possibly,... i don't hate it, but kinda meh.

White Tailed Deer, Odocoileus virginianus
Red Deer, Cervus elaphus

I don't think two species from the same region are needed. I'd go with the red dear I think but not really fussed about the species TBH.

Overall:
I'm actually not sure that there are enough endemic European species to justify even a 4-animal pack, especially since we already have plenty of European-style buildings. Rather, I think that a few additional species that inhabit Europe could be included easily in other packs, such as a Boreal (taiga) pack, or an endangered or threatened species pack... Also, I'd certainly add Ibex to the list of European species that would be good additions
I know people from other parts of the world would have different opinions. I was writing as an European. And Europe certainly has it's own animals - they may not be as unique and different than Australian ones - most none are - but pls don't tell me Europe don't deserve animals of it's own there too. And notably - I did state that my list will be long and have several options. I did this simply to create several options not to 'demand it all'. I like them all true - but I do know it's limited how many animals one can put in a game generally. And using specific subspecies - or generic is the game creators choice in general - I do suppose they would by now know something about animals lol - to see how they would match - though the game is in some ways specific while in other ways generic about this one. And on lemmings, I did not say that they kill them selves jumping off cliffs - though they do make rather long drop jumps for their size like some few other animals too, possible due their light structure. Some birds too are known to have their chicks jump off from nesting holes rather high when they can't yet fly, even barely one day old to get to the water to feed. And some variations of lemmings do migrate due food loss in areas more readily than others and also do indeed jump from high points, but can swim and are fine doing so. It is not about 'suicide jumps' like misconception for some may be - but just regular behavior not leading to death. I did not think I need to go into even longer explanation about everything as I am very aware about having written very long list. I could easily have also spoken more about for example European Vincent (buffalo) which still does exist, but only in very limited locations due having almost been killed to extinction. Europe is a bit densely populated over all and so our animal populations in many countries is not very strong. North Europe just has more space for the specific species in those areas to still exist. And for example Saimaa Ringed Seal - while not a sea lion - is indeed very unique being a sweet water seal and living naturally only in Finland, in one lake. I think in long past they did try to plant it in some lake in the north Americas, some old information about set attempts told to me by my mother (yea that old lol I am 45). But I have no idea if they succeeded so I did not mention about that attempt before. And notably there are few such species in Europe that have been planted there that do in a way occupy now or fight for the space away from our natural species. To name a few - American mink (escaped from mink farms). White Tailed Deer - in North Europe it was planted into royal hunting parks, from where it escaped to wild. American beaver - the European one was almost hunted to extinction so people in previous decades tried to patch up the trouble by planting in beavers from America - and thus the local beavers have to fight for space.
 
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Lyriga, thank you so much for your excellent, educational, and well thought out post. I learned so much about Finnish and other Northern European animals from your post. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this. Well done!
 
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