Hardware & Technical Anti-Virus recommendations please...

I'm sure everyone will probably disagree, but for years I tried out the free ones and there are several goods one to choose from, but to me, good antivirus should never be seen or heard unless something happens, I found they were always either promoting another product, or asking for your permission to do something or some other useless bull that required my attention. In the end I spoke to a few people and some of thos people recomended Norton 360. I was hesitant, I had heard all the bad stories, it takes over your system (True) its hard to uninstall (used to be very true but I think it is much less true now) it eats resources (probably a little true it certainly has a larger resource foot print than some others but I have so many resourses now, who cares, I don't notice a slow down) so I installed it. I have been running it for 9 years now, it updates without hassling me it does its thing and leaves me alone, it gives me a monthly report and generally only notifies me otherwise if something does go wrong. I did have an issue where it kept deleting my installer for an ED voice pack because not many people were using the software, I called up support and they told me how to work around the issue in around 5 mins. and that brings me to the Third most important thing, if you have issues, their over the phone tech support is awesome!. for anyone who was wondering what the second and first most important things are:
Number 2: Usually I don't even know its there.
Number 1: I am virus free (at least I think so ;)
I know others will disagree and most of their points will be valid. but if you want totally hassle free, its the one I advise.
Oh I split my licence over 3 computers too so its not too expensive either.
 
Just lost a long message typed ... In short: even Microsoft does not suggest using MSE as your only line of virus protecton. Have a look at these tests for latest real-world test results:

https://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/avc_factsheet2017_08.pdf

Sorry, I tried to look for what you said in the PDF file but couldn't find it - Please point me to the part where it says Microsoft does not recommend MSE.

Honestly all I saw was a list of AV software tested, a graph (which MSE performed admirably), and couldn't find that line that you mentioned.
 
I think that Microsoft actually recommended to install separate antivirus software in the past (Windows XP?). They fortunately changed their philosophy and are now providing software that makes all additional "antivirus" software snake-oil at best and a dangerous waste of money at worst.

People who pay money for their "wonderful" AV software will probably never want to understand this, but it is the user's fault to install malicious software. Having a tool that allegedly "protects" you just increases your willingness to actually install questionable software, hoping that AV would save your life. What makes it even worse: AV software automatically opens email attachments, something you would hopefully never do. Seeing how vulnerable most antivirus software is to exploits, it makes me cringe to think that some people think it is "improving their security" to let a vulnerable program run with administrator privileges open all their email attachments.

Here is the thing: Stop running software as administrator that you can not fully trust. Last year I refused to run an Elite Dangerous tool that requested administrator privileges to run. It needed these for a legitimate purpose: Opening a local server for a local database connection. I still refused to run it. I also never had a virus since I installed Windows 10, and I did that after using Linux for years when Microsoft gave me an insider preview build for free. What I miss is a good official app store like iOS and Android have it. Microsofts store lacks applications, else I'd always use it instead of browsing for software.

Apropos browsing for software, haha, CCleaner was infected by a virus recently and that was automatically installed on the computers of those who thought that they need to install weird "clean-up" tools on their machine. No antivirus tool prevented this. Deserved?
 

dayrth

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Anti-Virus recommendations please... Windows 7 pro (64 bit) system

I have had a nightmare today with Bitdefender really messing up my machine so I have uninstalled it, even though my licence has ages to go.

I really want an unintrusive program, one that doesn't go changing my settings without asking me first.

Anyone got any good suggestions please as I am relying on windo$e defender at the moment?

Sophos home. Excellent protection and free.

https://home.sophos.com/?cmp=701j00...tB0PDr8dSm1X79EG8KAnNtmtHyKPN-mBoCAHIQAvD_BwE
 
People who pay money for their "wonderful" AV software will probably never want to understand this, but it is the user's fault to install malicious software. Having a tool that allegedly "protects" you just increases your willingness to actually install questionable software, hoping that AV would save your life. What makes it even worse: AV software automatically opens email attachments, something you would hopefully never do. Seeing how vulnerable most antivirus software is to exploits, it makes me cringe to think that some people think it is "improving their security" to let a vulnerable program run with administrator privileges open all their email attachments.

I share your sentiments in general. I remember once I was giving a talk/lecture to the staff of a company on how to protect themselves online in the new millennium (back in 1998, or maybe 2001... something like that), and after the talk at the Q&A section, one of them said "viruses must be released by AV manufacturers, otherwise how would they make money?"

50% of them were still skeptical saying nobody would send them email containing malicious links because they're "nobody important".

80% use the same password everywhere on the web. 95% of them use very similar passwords everywhere (password01, password02 etc).

0% of them use a different password on each website.

20% of them use "12345678" as password. Which I guessed right off the bat at the beginning of the talk.

10% to 15% of them use "aaaaaaaa" or "qazwsx" as password. Which I also guessed at the beginning of the talk.

Ignorance like that exist, amazingly.
 
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I'll add to the general 'user fault' concerns as being one of the most dangerous in terms of getting your system compromised. However when using a Windows platform, i always have both an AV and firewall as history has proven that even if a 'safe' user such as myself (by 'safe' i mean i don't do the typical errors we have seen talked about so far), you sometimes can get got by a virus/malware. These days of embedded scripts in advert banners, you simply need to just visit a site to get unlucky and get something, any site.

So yeah on Windows it has nearly always been required to have some tools to help you combat virus/malware, it's just too popular an OS system which is what makes it such a large target.

Mostly i use Linux for the internet these days, and even when most experienced Linux users were saying 'You don't need an AV in this OS', i felt i needed one as i swap files from Linux to Windows PC's and i need to make sure i'm not importing malware onto those systems. And even Linux has plenty of security issues these days, we get new stories about exploits all the time, not as frequent as for Windows, but they do happen. We live in an internet connected world of data-gathering and personal information theft, virus and malware are just part of that.
 
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............... These days of embedded scripts in advert banners, you simply need to just visit a site to get unlucky and get something, any site.

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Apropos of this - yesterday I go quite concerned when suddenly my script-blocker disappeared from the top of my browser window.

Frantic efforts followed, being really worried that something had got through and compromised my system. Eventually got it back as normal after reinstalling it - to be met with a message saying that they were getting reports of the app "going missing" after the latest update (NoScript v5.1.2).

I really am not happy using any browser without having a script-blocker in it.
 
I really am not happy using any browser without having a script-blocker in it.

And the number one reason i had to stop using the RockPaperShotgun and Qt3 forums was when they shifted their forums to software that requires java-scripts to function! Just way too insecure a system imho.
 
And the UK joins with the USA on issuing a warning about Kaspersky:

'Kaspersky Labs: Warning over Russian anti-virus software':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42202191

The National Cyber Security Centre is to write to all government departments warning against using the products for systems related to national security. The UK cyber-security agency will say the software could be exploited by the Russian government.

Security firm Kaspersky Labs, accused in the US of being used by the Russian state for espionage, denied wrongdoing. Kaspersky Labs is widely used by consumers and businesses across the globe, as well as by some parts of the UK government. Around the world, 400 million people use Kaspersky products.

Officials say the National Cyber Security Centre's (NCSC) decision is based on a risk-analysis rather than evidence that such espionage has already taken place.

In the new government guidance, Ian Levy, NCSC's technical director, said: "Given we assess the Russians do cyber-attacks against the UK for reasons of state, we believe some UK government and critical national systems are at increased risk."

The NCSC is understood to have been in dialogue with Kaspersky Labs and says it will explore ways of mitigating the risks to see if a system can be developed to independently verify the security of its products.

It comes amid heightened concern about Russian activity against the UK.

I can see it could be a concern, but then again is using a USA based software any less likely to be a risk? Even the latest OS (windows 10) and Intel chipsets have 'backdoors' and various data-gathering technologies built into them. So what is a punter to do right? (Answer: maybe look to some products from the EU, where data-gathering laws are much more strict).
 
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