Any kind of scan mission is effectively dead now: C&P and PvE is broken

FatFreddysCoat

FatFreddysCoat
The ruling Faction A in System A wants you to do a scan mission against Faction B.

You scan and gain a bounty from Faction B and go back to the station to hand the mission in but wait ... you’re now Wanted and risk being scanned and killed or station killed by the very station that handed you the mission? Worse, since the new patch you can’t even dock in the very station that you got the mission from until you fly off somewhere else and clear your fine?

Why aren’t I only wanted by the Faction B gang?

The only missions you can do now are effectively without snagging a fine are data / passenger delivery, mining etc.

It seems all the C&P has done is restrict PvE players activities rather than the PvP which was the original intention.

Correct me if I’m wrong please but as someone who doesn’t PvP I find the new C&P more restrictive against me than PvP gankers etc which it was designed to be for.
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
FatFreddysCoat said:
The ruling Faction A in System A wants you to do a scan mission against Faction B.

You scan and gain a bounty from Faction B and go back to the station to hand the mission in but wait ... you’re now Wanted and risk being scanned and killed or station killed by the very station that handed you the mission? Worse, since the new patch you can’t even dock in the very station that you got the mission from until you fly off somewhere else and clear your fine?
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Wait a second - now what? Fine or Bounty? A fine won't you get killed.

Another one: which "new patch" prevents you from docking? And how? Do you get a "docking request denied"? 3.0 will prevent you from using most station services after you've docked. If you experience something else, write a bug report.

FatFreddysCoat said:
Why aren’t I only wanted by the Faction B gang?
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How should I know? On a PC, I'd say check your log. On PS4, you could still look at your Transactions tab, althougfh from reading other bug reports, that one might be bugged right now.

FatFreddysCoat said:
The only missions you can do now are effectively without snagging a fine are data / passenger delivery, mining etc.
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Take on the wrong kind of passengers, and you'll be in for a surprise...

FatFreddysCoat said:
It seems all the C&P has done is restrict PvE players activities rather than the PvP which was the original intention.

Correct me if I’m wrong please but as someone who doesn’t PvP I find the new C&P more restrictive against me than PvP gankers etc which it was designed to be for.
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If you're not a PvP player, how would you know? As for PvE, your activities aren't restricted, you'll just have to do them differently and use the mechanics. E.g. those scan missions you mentioned - take a Sidewinder, park it in a nearby Anarchy and use it for all "dirty" missions. Since fines and bounties stick to the ship, your other ships will be safe.
 

Curvemn17

Curvemn17
Ashnak said:
Wait a second - now what? Fine or Bounty? A fine won't you get killed.

Another one: which "new patch" prevents you from docking? And how? Do you get a "docking request denied"? 3.0 will prevent you from using most station services after you've docked. If you experience something else, write a bug report.



How should I know? On a PC, I'd say check your log. On PS4, you could still look at your Transactions tab, althougfh from reading other bug reports, that one might be bugged right now.



Take on the wrong kind of passengers, and you'll be in for a surprise...



If you're not a PvP player, how would you know? As for PvE, your activities aren't restricted, you'll just have to do them differently and use the mechanics. E.g. those scan missions you mentioned - take a Sidewinder, park it in a nearby Anarchy and use it for all "dirty" missions. Since fines and bounties stick to the ship, your other ships will be safe.
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This guy gets it. It just takes more strategy. If you fly to system B, hop in a ship for nefarious purposes, then proceed with your criminal element, then park and swap ships, fly back and turn in the mission.

The issue here is crime pays and now you have to choose: take a mission that potentially puts you on the wrong side of the law or take less money and don’t be a bad guy. I know people haven’t looked at scan missions and such as being a criminal, but you do-gooders are technically bad at that point. It’s something is criminals have already considered.
 

stormyuk

Volunteer Moderator
stormyuk
Curvemn17 said:
This guy gets it. It just takes more strategy. If you fly to system B, hop in a ship for nefarious purposes, then proceed with your criminal element, then park and swap ships, fly back and turn in the mission. .
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Yes because our time is very important to FDev. :D

Op, do skimmer kill missions against anarchy factions instead or generator kill ones but make sure targets are anarchy factions. I don't bother with scan missions anymore.

Do scan missions now actually warn you at least in the missions description that it's illegal now?
 
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Curvemn17

Curvemn17
stormyuk said:
Yes because our time is very important to FDev. :D

Op, Do skimmer kill missions against anarchy factions instead or or generator kill ones but make sure targets are anarchy factions. I don't bother with scan missions anymore.
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Seriously, why is everyone so upset? A scan mission is a criminal mission. If you don’t want to be a criminal, like you said don’t do it anymore. Slimmer kill missions, generator kill, etc they are all criminal missions. You’re a mercy for hire going out and attacking either a civilian or military outpost. Only reason people run those are because they pay alot, you can make more money not running missions and be an honest trader if that’s what you’re after.
 

stormyuk

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stormyuk
Curvemn17 said:
Seriously, why is everyone so upset? A scan mission is a criminal mission. If you don’t want to be a criminal, like you said don’t do it anymore. Slimmer kill missions, generator kill, etc they are all criminal missions. You’re a mercy for hire going out and attacking either a civilian or military outpost. Only reason people run those are because they pay alot, you can make more money not running missions and be an honest trader if that’s what you’re after.
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I am not upset, I just can't be bothered to mess around swaping ships, my game time is too precious to take 3 times as long to do a mission.

Skimmer and generator kill missions against anarchy factions incure no fines/bounties.
 
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Curvemn17

Curvemn17
stormyuk said:
I am not upset, I just can't be bothered to mess around swaping ships, my game time is too precious to take 3 times as long to do a mission.

Skimmer and generator kill missions against anarchy factions incure no fines/bounties.
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I wasn’t suggesting you were upset, it was more of arms stretched wide addressing the miltitudes of people complaining. I have no issues with you. You can also run any missions in Delaine space if you get to level 5 with him since he forgives any and all bounties against those that are most loyal.
 

Cmdr Nemo

Cmdr Nemo
FDev has simply incorporated the ole' adage of "If you can't do the time (in which case means having to hunt for a place to pay your bounties and then return to collect the reward) then don't do the crime. All those missions state in red letters that they are illegal. Regardless of semantics, Illegal means aganst the law, and when push comes to shove, there are ramifications. Career pirates don't have a problem with it because it's a factor they had to adhere to when becoming a succesful pirate. Most player's are only hobby pirates and only partake when the rewards are high, well now, the rewards are still high but there is some actuall law inforcement in place now. Which means, the hobby pirate needs to commit to either becoming a real full fledged pirate and stop footing around or leaving the pirate industry to those that enjoy it. And become a full time convententional grinder like the rest of us who choose lesser paying mission because they are not illegal thus not have to go through the new and improved form of crime and punishment incorportated in the game. It boils down to need or greed. There's a need to grind normally, but sometimes the greed for more in which case one will take chances they wouldn't normaly take. Well, now, finally, there's some real ramifications.
 

stormyuk

Volunteer Moderator
stormyuk
Do scan missions post 3.0 now actually show as 'illegal in the missions description? They didn't in 2.4.
 

damon8r351

damon8r351
Curvemn17 said:
This guy gets it. It just takes more strategy. If you fly to system B, hop in a ship for nefarious purposes, then proceed with your criminal element, then park and swap ships, fly back and turn in the mission.

The issue here is crime pays and now you have to choose: take a mission that potentially puts you on the wrong side of the law or take less money and don’t be a bad guy. I know people haven’t looked at scan missions and such as being a criminal, but you do-gooders are technically bad at that point. It’s something is criminals have already considered.
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After reading the summary on C&P changes I saw this sort of situation coming, and set about fitting a ship specifically for planetary scan missions, because these type of missions are my main BGS wrecking ball. I took an Asp Scout, tweaked its thrusters as high as I could get them, fitted it with an SRV hangar and cargo hold, and called it a "light multipurpose ship". Emphasis on the scare quotes because it's painted black and is actually a stealth infiltration ship. It's also a possible material gathering ship should I decide to go into that business, but that's beside the point. Go in, complete my missions, stash the ship somewhere and turn them in in my main ship. I thought everyone else figured this out already.
 
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Cmdr Nemo

Cmdr Nemo
stormyuk said:
Do scan missions post 3.0 now actually show as 'illegal in the missions description? They didn't in 2.4.
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I don't know which version of 2.4 you've been playing, but my version did. Hence I waited to do them until I knew how to handle the fine and bounty issues that have now that I've finally learned, changed.
 

stormyuk

Volunteer Moderator
stormyuk
Cmdr Nemo LXXI said:
I don't know which version of 2.4 you've been playing, but my version did. Hence I waited to do them until I knew how to handle the fine and bounty issues that have now that I've finally learned, changed.
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The one where it didn't. Not for planetary scan missions.
 

Curvemn17

Curvemn17
Old Duck said:
I don't get it either, but perhaps I'm missing something. I scanned a private terminal (which is illegal), got a bounty, so I jumped to the nearest interstellar faction (26 ly away) and cleared the bounty. Easy Peasy.
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I think most people didn’t consider these illegal missions because they were being paid to do them. They believed they were being good guys. And with the old system you ignored any bounties/fines gained. Tresspassing is illegal, even if it’s a pirate base.
 
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