Yes, I would really like if each of them had something unique to bring to the table in their specialty, so there was a reason to visit Elvira vs Felicity for example.
Any news on when Engineers is going to be finished?
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Yes, I would really like if each of them had something unique to bring to the table in their specialty, so there was a reason to visit Elvira vs Felicity for example.
I'm asking about only the features Frontier advertised for the initial release of 2.1 Engineers, not unpromised possible additions such as storage.
OK, I'll check back in two years' time.
;-)
Seriously, Brett C or anyone else at Frontier, can you shed any light on this? The missing Engineers and missions are now 3 months overdue, and I think there's been no official word on them in that time.
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No they wouldn't. There is a hard cap of I believe... 75% that can be reached right now. But diminishing returns makes it more worthwhile to use other heavy boosters after a certain level. I would link you to the thread that discusses that, but I'm pretty lazy at the moment and can't find it.
I agree that not being able to buy simple stuff like nickel is pretty dumb. However I think that frontier's goal was to incite players to diversify their activities. People would have absolutely no reason to use the srv/mine/search for signal sources if they could just buy the materials they need. Personally, I really like the gameplay of the srv, but I'm not one to spend time doing activities that have no practical use for anything.
A good compromise would be to allow people to buy the items, but at a very high price. Or at least to find an explanation why they are unavailable. Maybe the demand for those materials is so low that no station cares to sell them (or some similar made-up reason).
2.2 is being renamed ........ The Printers 
I consider engineers to be poorly implemented, balance breaking, and immersion breaking.
immersion breaking is not about me believing i'm in the game's universe and flying a ship. It's about internal consistency in lore and content. Rules that exist and are followed by the game.
Engineers break this in multiple ways.
1. you get the engineered modules back from insurance claim. umm no. Engineered modules are unique, that's why you have to go to an engineer and why the results of such a module are unknown until they do their work on it and why it's so hard to convince the engineer to do it again identically.
2. Materials are collected in a magic bag that has no relation to the ship you're in. Though, this is an issue that extends beyond engineers, being it's with materials in general.
3. Engineered weapons can effect things that have to do with ammunition - ammunition which is sold separately and is the same ammunition everyone buys. (This mostly is in regards to the secondary nonsense effects given to some weapons)
It's balance breaking for a few reasons
1. Ships stats are tenuously balanced by developers to offer unique niches for some ships and benefits and tradeoffs to others to provide the intended gameplay experience in the game. The significant amount of change engineered mods allow can completely remove many tradeoffs, shifting the balance in the game completely
2. Players not purchasing horizons are at a significant disadvantage in collecting materials and staying on a level playing field with those that have horizons.
3. Ships that had a niche role have had that role significantly marginalized since most of the time these ships are given many tradeoffs to have 1 significant benefit - a benefit which is now much less important when you can make a less specialized ship able to make up similar positive stats.
It's Poorly implemented in a number of ways
1. RNG everything. RNG where materials are spawned. RNG in how your module will be created. No skill is involved here. No strategy on the player's part. No gameplay added.
2. Modification recipes are arbitrary. The secondary effect having nothing to do with anything.
3. Modification levels are setup in a way that is uncreative. Different engineers having the same mod attributes if they offer the given level and it's laid out in a way that makes the choice of the levels similar to the choice in module grades.
Engineers doesn't improve one aspect of the game, it marginalizes niche ships, it muddies up combat with nonsense elemental effects and screwing up ship balance, it devalues travel since the only skill/strategy associated with traveling currently in the game is to not fall asleep from the multitudes of jumping needed to get to distant places. And when participating in it it's implemented on-screen like a stupid casino game.
immersion breaking is not about me believing i'm in the game's universe and flying a ship. It's about internal consistency in lore and content. Rules that exist and are followed by the game.
Engineers break this in multiple ways.
1. you get the engineered modules back from insurance claim. umm no. Engineered modules are unique, that's why you have to go to an engineer and why the results of such a module are unknown until they do their work on it and why it's so hard to convince the engineer to do it again identically.
2. Materials are collected in a magic bag that has no relation to the ship you're in. Though, this is an issue that extends beyond engineers, being it's with materials in general.
3. Engineered weapons can effect things that have to do with ammunition - ammunition which is sold separately and is the same ammunition everyone buys. (This mostly is in regards to the secondary nonsense effects given to some weapons)
It's balance breaking for a few reasons
1. Ships stats are tenuously balanced by developers to offer unique niches for some ships and benefits and tradeoffs to others to provide the intended gameplay experience in the game. The significant amount of change engineered mods allow can completely remove many tradeoffs, shifting the balance in the game completely
2. Players not purchasing horizons are at a significant disadvantage in collecting materials and staying on a level playing field with those that have horizons.
3. Ships that had a niche role have had that role significantly marginalized since most of the time these ships are given many tradeoffs to have 1 significant benefit - a benefit which is now much less important when you can make a less specialized ship able to make up similar positive stats.
It's Poorly implemented in a number of ways
1. RNG everything. RNG where materials are spawned. RNG in how your module will be created. No skill is involved here. No strategy on the player's part. No gameplay added.
2. Modification recipes are arbitrary. The secondary effect having nothing to do with anything.
3. Modification levels are setup in a way that is uncreative. Different engineers having the same mod attributes if they offer the given level and it's laid out in a way that makes the choice of the levels similar to the choice in module grades.
Engineers doesn't improve one aspect of the game, it marginalizes niche ships, it muddies up combat with nonsense elemental effects and screwing up ship balance, it devalues travel since the only skill/strategy associated with traveling currently in the game is to not fall asleep from the multitudes of jumping needed to get to distant places. And when participating in it it's implemented on-screen like a stupid casino game.
Initially we are looking at around 30
That is not a Guaranteed 30
I think we are at the "add more in future updates" stage
Lol! I think the level one mods are nice. They aren't too op and allow a decent level of tweaking. I'd say keep those and keep them as they are but remove or severely nerf special effects and scrap the rest.
Engineers offers fun PvE stuff in the form of customizing your ships. Balance will never be achieved in an MMO, no reason to get hung up on it.
Removing it will never happen. Anyone calling for its removal is doomed to be eternally butt-flustered.
Agreed, Plus, most of the mods are pretty straightforward so far. I'd love to see some off the wall stuff, like mods that help you run cooler, decrease scanning time for the ADS, increase sensor range, etc.
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That would be glorious, and as compensation you get all of the engineering components you farmed back, if your cargo hold can't handle that much, then you're required to sell off all the excess at the station.
Getting rid of RNGineers would actually get me to play -more regularly- than I do at present, same would go for a fair few of my friends. Would also like to see a torch taken to Powerplay but one step at a time eh?
Not going to happen, Fuzzy. Hey, but at least you're going to get insta transfer! Maybe that'll get you back in the game
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Decreased ADS scan times would be awesome.
Some of the off the wall stuff doesn't even need to be directly related to the function of the module being upgraded:
- HRPs that improve heat dissipation, so the ship runs 10% cooler.
- FSD that is harder to interdict
- Cargo racks that reduce the effective range of a cargo scanner
- Armour that is "slippery" in supercruise, so increases supercruise speed
- Thrusters that reduce mass lock
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Jacques Stataion should become an Engineer. He needs money to upkeep his own station and he really should be constantly on the move also at random but aimong to circumnavigate the bubble always.
I thought Jacques was going to be one of the engineers, so I got allied well before he moved.
Once a few colonies and stations have been established out there, I'm hoping that they do move Jacques. Randomly would be great, though circumnavigating the galaxy would be even better.