Any Sir Terry Pratchett Fans?? часть 2

[rus_Djon]

Здравствуйте, FDev.
Просим обратить Ваше внимание на систему "HIP 74290", а также район, окружающий её, и принять меры для соблюдения ранее данных обещаний/договорённостей.
Для соблюдения коих требуем:

• Заблокировать/запретить/закрыть системы, окружающие систему "HIP 74290" для возможных колонизаций.
• Вернуть все ранее колонизированные системы в их первоначальных вид.

P.S. Закон один для всех.

P.S.S. Ссылка для тех, кто не понимает, из-за чего этот сыр-бор.

Google translate:
Hello, FDev.
We ask you to pay attention to the system "HIP 74290", as well as the area surrounding it, and take measures to comply with previously given promises/agreements.

To comply with which we ask:

• Block/prohibit/close the systems, surrounding the system "HIP 74290" for possible colonizations.
• Return all previously colonized systems to their original form.

P.S. The law is the same for everyone.

P.S.S. Link for those who do not understand what all the fuss is about.

 

[Ozric]

Здравствуйте, FDev.
Просим обратить Ваше внимание на систему "HIP 74290", а также район, окружающий её, и принять меры для соблюдения ранее данных обещаний/договорённостей.
Для соблюдения коих требуем:

• Заблокировать/запретить/закрыть системы, окружающие систему "HIP 74290" для возможных колонизаций.
• Вернуть все ранее колонизированные системы в их первоначальных вид.

P.S. Закон один для всех.

P.S.S. Ссылка для тех, кто не понимает, из-за чего этот сыр-бор.

Please post in English only on the main forum.

 

[Dougie]

I totally agree that HIP 74290 should be protected. I made a point of trekking out there and visiting Pratchett's Disc just to see the Discworld-related minor factions. It would be sad to see it taken over by some player minor faction.

 

[rus_Djon]

Призываю пользователей из предыдущей темы высказать своё мнение по этому поводу: angusmadmac1, thistle, Random Providence, rrobes, Trollymctrollerson, Vingtetun, Alien, Vetinari, Rat Catcher, Ashnak, Para Handy, Crank Larson, Chorda, Dartay, TrollhunterX, Dibbler8, Arry, Erei, Windscreen Smudge, Capt Bellinger, Northpin, STAR O You NO, 3j, TaoZero5, Several Puffins, DoG Duggy.

Надеюсь, призыв оформлен правильно. Но если это не так, прошу модератора помочь с исправлением.


DeepL Translate:
I encourage users from the previous thread to give their opinion on this: angusmadmac1, thistle, Random Providence, rrobes, Trollymctrollerson, Vingtetun, Alien, Vetinari, Rat Catcher, Ashnak, Para Handy, Crank Larson, Chorda, Dartay, TrollhunterX, Dibbler8, Arry, Erei, Windscreen Smudge, Capt Bellinger, Northpin, STAR O You NO, 3j, TaoZero5, Several Puffins, DoG Duggy.

I hope the appeal is properly formatted. But if it is not, I ask the moderator to help correct it.

 

[zimms]

Quite ironic to add "P.S. The law is the same for everyone." while asking for a special exception.

I don't think Frontier will remove already colonized systems.

 

[rus_Djon]

Quite ironic to add "P.S. The law is the same for everyone." while asking for a special exception.

I don't think Frontier will remove already colonized systems.

Прочтите предыдущую тему, и вы поймёте, почему был добавлен этот P.S..

DeepL Translate:
Read the previous thread and you'll understand why this P.S. was added.

 

[Ozric]

I hope the appeal is properly formatted. But if it is not, I ask the moderator to help correct it.

I don't understand what your appeal is though. HIP 74290 cannot be colonised as it is an already inhabited system.

Frontier will not change anything done to already colonised systems, unless they were acquired via cheating. They have stated this multiple times.

The only thing that I can think you want is for no other factions to be allowed to enter the HIP 74290 system via expansion, purely because your faction was removed from HIP 74290 after accidentally being placed in there many years ago.

Time will tell if they have completely locked the system down, I hope so.

 

[rus_Djon]

I don't understand what your appeal is though. HIP 74290 cannot be colonised as it is an already inhabited system.

Frontier will not change anything done to already colonised systems, unless they were acquired via cheating. They have stated this multiple times.

The only thing that I can think you want is for no other factions to be allowed to enter the HIP 74290 system via expansion, purely because your faction was removed from HIP 74290 after accidentally being placed in there many years ago.

Time will tell if they have completely locked the system down, I hope so.

Зачем ждать? На вопрос о том, насколько заблокирован BGS, может ответить комьюнити менеджер. К тому же вопросами такого порядка должны заниматься они.

А пока что, на мой объективный взгляд, говорит, что никакой BGS блокировки нет, так как:

• Фракция Ankh Guards на текущий момент представлена в 15 системах. (по данным c Инары).
• Домашние фракции системы HIP 74290 можно выбрать/связать в меню эскадрильи (FDev может решить эту проблему…инструментарий у них точно есть).
• Миссии (тут думаю всё понятно…интересно, сколько мирных жителей пострадала в поселениях Hip 74290 от новых соседей, например, от вездесущей фракции "Chieftains of Anarchy").

Всё это говорит лишь о том, что Bgs не изолирован. А ведь именно изоляцию/нетронутость/невинность хотели получить пользователи от FDev ранее. Ведь именно так видят пилоты эту систему. Ведь именно таким должен быть настоящий мемориал.
Да и сам факт того, что когда-то тогда FDev выбрали именно ОТДАЛЁННУЮ систему для создания Мемориала, лишь подтверждает это.



Ozric скажите, призыв пользователей оформлен правильно?..и им ведь пришло уведомление о том, что их упомянули?


DeepL Translate:
Why wait. The question of how blocked BGS is can be answered by the community manager. Besides, questions of this order should be handled by them.

In the meantime, in my objective opinion, says that there is no BGS blocking, because:

• Ankh Guards faction is currently represented in 15 systems. (according to c Inara).
• Home factions of the system HIP 74290 can be selected/linked in the squadron menu (FDev can solve this problem...they certainly have the tools).
• Missions (here I think everything is clear...I wonder how many civilians suffered in Hip 74290 settlements from new neighbors, for example, from the ubiquitous faction “Chieftains of Anarchy”).

All of which is to say that the BGS is not isolated. And after all, it was isolation/intactness/innocence that users wanted from FDev earlier. After all, this is how pilots see the system. After all, that's what a real memorial should be.
And the very fact that FDev chose a VERY DISTANT system to create the Memorial back then only confirms this.



Ozric tell me, is the call for users correct?...and they got a notification that they were mentioned, right?

 

[Dougie]

The fact that Ankh Guards appears in those systems is because of the "colonisation" mechanism inserting into newly colonised systems factions from adjoining systems.

There is nothing to suggest that (so far) any player faction is trying to expand into Terry's system - so we can hope that FDEV have restricted / protected the system as they have done to lore-important systems in the bubble.

I agree that the memorial / dedication system should be protected, however your plaintive cries do smack as @Ozric says of "sour grapes".



EDIT - I just nipped over to check the system. There are still only the three factions in the system, no missions in the ship mission board nor the concourse mentioned any other faction within the system. So hopefully FDEV seem to have protected the system from player faction incursion.

 

[rus_Djon]

1. Я правильно понимаю, что вы предлагаете защитить систему "HIP 74290" от "Мира"? но при этом против защиты "Мира" от "HIP 74290"? Вы и правда считаете это справедливым?

2. Единственная ценность мемориала - в его уникальности. Представьте себе ситуацию, когда каждом углу будут "Ankh Guards", "The Guild" и "One Man, One Vote"...напомню что и станции можно переименовывать......в чём смысл?

1+2=?

P.S. "Не согласен — критикуй, критикуешь — предлагай, предлагаешь — делай, делаешь — отвечай!" - Королёв С.П.

DeepL Translate:
1. Do I understand correctly that you are proposing to protect the "HIP 74290" system from the "World"? But yet are against protecting the "World" from "HIP 74290"? Do you really think that's fair?

2.The only value of the memorial is in its Uniqueness. Imagine a situation where there will be "Ankh Guards", "The Guild" and "One Man, One Vote" on every corner...remember you can rename stations too......what's the point?

1+2=?

P.S. “Disagree - criticize, criticize - suggest, suggest - do, do - respond!” - S.P. Korolev.

 

[Ozric]

There are more memorial stations and systems, this system is not unique. Stopping people colonising out from a populated system, just because of the stations and/or minor faction in that system, is not going to happen I am afraid.

Ozric tell me, is the call for users correct?...and they got a notification that they were mentioned, right?

I don't think so. You have linked their forum profiles. You would need to @ them, like @rus_Djon
Do bear in mind that not all of them even use the forums any more.

2.The only value of the memorial is in its Uniqueness.

I disagree. The value of the memorial, like all the memorials, is the symbolism and the intent.

True a player could build a station and name it something after another deceased famous person, you still understand it has been done in honour of that person.

 

[Dougie]

...
1. Do I understand correctly that you are proposing to protect the "HIP 74290" system from the "World"? But yet are against protecting the "World" from "HIP 74290"? Do you really think that's fair?

2.The only value of the memorial is in its Uniqueness. Imagine a situation where there will be "Ankh Guards", "The Guild" and "One Man, One Vote" on every corner...remember you can rename stations too......what's the point?
...

1. You are talking nonsense - protected systems like Sol and Achenar have no player groups - HIP 74290 could be (is?) the same. Player groups cannot expand into Sol or Achenar for example, why should Terry's system be different - or are you going to suggest opening all those systems to player groups?

2. You know that NPC minor factions cannot expand to "every corner" as you put it so that is just risible. Ankh Guards for example has the game's BGS system using it to act in adjacent systems (war in one and prep for war at another settlement) - this is no different from ANY other place in the galaxy of Elite Dangerous. Misrepresenting this once again just illustrates your underlying sense of grievance.

There is (as far as I understand it) nothing to stop your group becoming affiliated with / related to one of the NPC minor factions and acting to promote its interests or using it to detract from the interests of the others. Again, I am new so I might have that wrong.

All in all, your posts read as just whining complaints that other player minor factions have sprung up around the place where perhaps* your lot were evicted from (and should apparently never have been allowed to be seeded there in the first place).

* I am new to this so cannot comment first-hand about those happenings, maybe some of those you tried to invoke will turn up and illuminate matters.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

I literally have no idea what this thread is about. Half of it is in Russian. The other half seems to be talking about some obscure event where a player faction tried exploiting it's way into a locked system and got smacked down. So ummm.....who else likes donuts? Mmmm donuts.....

 

[rus_Djon]

1. Почему с самого начала вы зациклены только на PMF? Ведь пилоты/эскадрильи могут ассоциировать себя абсолютно с любой фракцией в игре, и нет разницы, PMF это или нет.
1.1 Я предлагаю ограничить работу BGS в обе стороны методом полной блокировки района/систем в границах расширенной Экспансии. (Квадрат с диагональю, равной 52 св. лет).

2. Ранее вы уточнили, что фракция Ankh Guards появилась в других системах из-за "colonisation mechanism" Так вот, использую эти механизмы, можно абсолютно любую фракцию начать размещать "на каждом углу". Всего лишь нужно в меню эскадрильи выбрать нужную фракцию(Спасибо FDev, что позволили менять фракцию множество раз). В итоге фракция может расшириться даже без BGS.

Как же я могу быть недовольным? Ситуация, как по мне, очень даже хорошая. Я бы даже сказал, отличная. А ваши реакции лишь предают уверенности.


DeepL Translate:
1.Why are you fixated only on PMF from the beginning? Pilots/squadrons can associate with absolutely any faction in the game, and it makes no difference if it's PMF or not.
1.1 I propose to limit BGS operation in both directions by completely blocking off the area/systems within the boundaries of the Expanded Expanse. (A square with a diagonal equal to 52 l.y.).
2. Earlier you specified that the faction Ankh Guards appeared in other systems because of the “colonization mechanism” So, using these mechanisms, you can absolutely any faction can start placing “on every corner”. All you need to do is to select the desired faction in the squadron menu (Thanks FDev for allowing you to change the faction many times). As a result, a faction can expand even without BGS.

So how can I be dissatisfied? The situation, as far as I'm concerned, is a very good one. I'd even say it's great.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

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