Any tips to reduce DK2 Elite Dangerous Motion sickenss?? Help !!?!
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Really? Very interesting. E
is like the one game that *doesn't* give me motion sickness, whereas others do. Since you are in space with no real frame of reference I find it much nicer.There really isn't any trick except it might get easier with time. However do *not* push it. Take it in very small doses or else you will get a pavlovian response which will ruin your VR fun.
However that said, I would first make sure it IS motion sickness and not being caused by bad performance. If you don't have a nice solid 75fps in game in the Rift it can make you feel bad. Lower every setting to the absolute lowest and make sure you are set to 75hz vsync and see if it makes any difference. Also turn off any other monitors, as they can sometimes force the Rift to not run at 75hz.
By turning it back on?
Mainly though it is a troubleshooting step. Often what happens is since your monitor most likely can't do 75hz refresh, the Rift sometimes will get stuck at your monitors lower refresh rate. By turning off the monitor you eliminate that possibility. Its a bit trick to play the left eye right eye shuffle in the Rift to get the game started up, but it helps eliminate that issue.
As said before, make sure it is at 75 Hz and fast enough.
If running in extended mode then Rift has to be primary screen (no need to switch the other one off), you will see ingame option if there is 75Hz enabled at the top of graphic settings.
It is tricky to get it started but keyboard shortcuts help with that, you start the launcher then if it is in the Rift and not very readable you press Windows+Shift+right arrow and this will shift the active window to another screen.
If running in extended mode then Rift has to be primary screen (no need to switch the other one off), you will see ingame option if there is 75Hz enabled at the top of graphic settings.
It is tricky to get it started but keyboard shortcuts help with that, you start the launcher then if it is in the Rift and not very readable you press Windows+Shift+right arrow and this will shift the active window to another screen.
I've yet to feel any kind motion sickness on any demo or within Elites environment. Yet stick on the parks roundabout and I'm off in seconds feelings dizzy.
No solution to help other than what's already been posted.
Good luck combatting it.
No solution to help other than what's already been posted.
Good luck combatting it.
I get the impression that in some configurations at least there's a fair amount of latency between the sensor input and the image being drawn - not long enough to be generally noticeable, but enough to make it uncomfortable. I've got a thread up over here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116626 Trying to see if anyone else has that problem and if anyone doesn't and if it can be fixed Any input on the issue is appreciated!
Any input on the issue is appreciated!A simple way to beat latency issue is to use the additional twitch window as rift window output aswell as the rift output itself. No idea why, but I can't use elite without it now. It helps to equalize latency visually with minimal FPS drops.
This only works if you have the "Prevent windows from being automatically arranged when moved to the edge of the screen" setting UNchecked in Control Panel\Ease of Access\Ease of Access Center\Make the keyboard easier to use.
AMAgathorn has given all the advice you need. The most important thing is getting the 75hz constant. The second most important thing is to stop the second you feel a hint of motion sickeness and don't come back for at least 24 hours. This is vital or you will associate the sickness with the rift and will feel sick just thinking about it, not to mention putting it on. As he said, avoid pavlovian conditioning or you might as well sell your rift
Motion sickness usually occurs when your brain gets the visual information of your body moving in a way that doesn't match the information of your equilibrium organ.
So even if all technical issues are solved, no juder, correct IPD settings etc. you may still suffer motion sickness. Some people are more sensitive to that than others.
There is not a lot one can do about it. Just try to avoid to do things that make you sick. I always get a queasy feeling when I do quick rolls with my ship in places where there is a lot of visual reference, e.g. inside of stations or in planetary belts. So I try to move gently in those places (during combat I am usually too focused on the target to notice any sickness).
I also think it gets better the more time you spend in the rift and your brain gets more accustomed to the situation. But, as Agathorn mentioned, don't push it!
There are also drugs against motion sickness, but I don't think those are fine for everyday use.
So even if all technical issues are solved, no juder, correct IPD settings etc. you may still suffer motion sickness. Some people are more sensitive to that than others.
There is not a lot one can do about it. Just try to avoid to do things that make you sick. I always get a queasy feeling when I do quick rolls with my ship in places where there is a lot of visual reference, e.g. inside of stations or in planetary belts. So I try to move gently in those places (during combat I am usually too focused on the target to notice any sickness).
I also think it gets better the more time you spend in the rift and your brain gets more accustomed to the situation. But, as Agathorn mentioned, don't push it!
There are also drugs against motion sickness, but I don't think those are fine for everyday use.
While there's ways to mitigate it, motion sickness playing Elite is generally an indication that something's not right (most likely latency, in absence of other stuttering issues). The fact that we don't have a proper Direct-to-Rift HMD Access implementation yet is a huge part of that - looking at existing Rift demos like Tuscany with latency testing will generally show there's a good 20ms or 30ms difference between running a game in Direct Mode vs running it in Extended. For me, Tuscany can run with a best-case scenario of 5ms latency when timewarp and Direct Access are activated. Elite, best case scenario, seems to run about 40ms or 50ms latency, which can make a surprising amount of difference.
Not sure if there's a solution for it really at the moment, other than to wait for them to sort out a Direct Access mode.
Not sure if there's a solution for it really at the moment, other than to wait for them to sort out a Direct Access mode.
I misread the title of this thread as Elite having 'dangerous motion sickness' - wow, how's that ?
I've grown so accustomed to the Rift now that I barely experience any sensation of movement, except when rotating inside a station. I say, if you have a slight bit of motion sickness, try and enjoy the sensation ! You'll probably get over it eventually.
?I've grown so accustomed to the Rift now that I barely experience any sensation of movement, except when rotating inside a station. I say, if you have a slight bit of motion sickness, try and enjoy the sensation ! You'll probably get over it eventually.
I just got my DK2 today, yay! I spent about an hour configuring it and then testing Elite Dangerous on it. Now, couple of hours after that one hour session, I am feeling a little bit nauseous.
I have a GTX 750Ti GPU, which I suspect is not quite fast enough (I set all graphics settings to low, and only tested in open space, to make the experience as fluid as possible). I have a GTX 970 card on order, so that should help when it arrives.
I perhaps played the game for too long, as this was my first experience with VR, but it was such an immersive experience that I sort of lost track of time..
Perhaps tomorrow I will try to measure the actual framerate I get with my 750Ti, and if it is below 75Hz, I'll probably wait till I get my new graphics card before playing Elite on DK2 again, to not get nauseous again. If I get 75Hz, then I guess I just need to build up tolerance for the motion sickness..
Thanks for all the tips on this thread!
Pate
I have a GTX 750Ti GPU, which I suspect is not quite fast enough (I set all graphics settings to low, and only tested in open space, to make the experience as fluid as possible). I have a GTX 970 card on order, so that should help when it arrives.
I perhaps played the game for too long, as this was my first experience with VR, but it was such an immersive experience that I sort of lost track of time..
Perhaps tomorrow I will try to measure the actual framerate I get with my 750Ti, and if it is below 75Hz, I'll probably wait till I get my new graphics card before playing Elite on DK2 again, to not get nauseous again. If I get 75Hz, then I guess I just need to build up tolerance for the motion sickness..
Thanks for all the tips on this thread!
Pate
I find two different issues with VR. You have the "motion sickness" feeling, which I don't get a lot of, and the VR sickness which I do get when you have sudden screen freezes or weird movements (HL2 I'm looking at you).
Elite gives me almost no Vr sickness, though flying around a station I sometimes get a touch of the motion feeling, which is actually pretty cool.
Elite gives me almost no Vr sickness, though flying around a station I sometimes get a touch of the motion feeling, which is actually pretty cool.
That's a good way of summing it up ! Yes, I sometimes get the motion feeling in a station, and it's fun - but I never get the VR feeling in ED. Playing Alien Isolation however, I get VR sick in a few minutes. I mean sick !
You might feel a bit dizzy (not sick) after the first hours.
If you experience motion sickness like in a ship or plane then you most most likely have a settings or PC problem.
I am very sensible to motion sickness, however it does not happen when you sit inside a cockpit like in ED.
Debug your issue from software side, consistent framerate, drivers, settings, vsync on, etc.
If you experience motion sickness like in a ship or plane then you most most likely have a settings or PC problem.
I am very sensible to motion sickness, however it does not happen when you sit inside a cockpit like in ED.
Debug your issue from software side, consistent framerate, drivers, settings, vsync on, etc.
I think a lot of the posters in this thread overlook the post of Khaldur and think it's a computer technical issue.
Khaldur is spot on, you can have the perfect setup with flawless graphics and your body will still be fooled by your eyes telling your brain you're moving. Wether you can cope with this differs from person to person.
As stated before by others, play around with your comfort levels and know your boundaries.
It goes without saying that technical settings will impact the overall experience. Plenty of info on the forum how to get those optimal.
Please don't ignore what your body is telling you and think you can "fix it" with computer settings.