Anyone considering the pros and cons of HTC or CV1... here's a con

Frank · Sep 23, 2016

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...re-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html

Palmer Luckey is a Donald Trump supporter.

I'm never usually bothered about the political leaning of the people who provide me with stuff, but my choice between the two headsets was balanced on a knife edge. This snippet of information would have probably persuaded me to plump for the VIVE over my eventual choice.

[HJ]-RedRaven · Sep 23, 2016

Really? LOL. Just LOL.

Here in Oz we watch the US presidential run with some amusement (it tears us away from our own statesmen/buffoons circus in Canberra).

However, my Rift is safe; its non-fat and free of hormones. It does however smell of bacon on occasion (Sunday mornings mostly)

Frank · Sep 23, 2016

I'm in the UK so I really don't have any say in the matter, but the common sense vote has my support. I've not had much luck with my voting in the past. I voted for Scottish Independence, I voted for the UK to stay in Europe, and most importantly of all, I voted for instantaneous transfer of ships <sigh>

There's a reason why I want Hilary Clinton to win. The last time Trump came over to Scotland to promote his golf course, his welcome was less than enthusiastic. I just hope President Trump doesn't decide to nuke us off the face of the planet out of spite,

VR Dextrovix · Sep 23, 2016

I'm just grateful that Palmer Luckey has helped bring VR to the masses, whether his company has the best HMD or ideas is a different matter. I love VR so I have both a Rift and Vive, but they both serve different roles based for me on seated or room-scale.

As for political leanings in the US it seems to always be a two horse race (I'm a Brit) as far as I can tell. The President also isn't all powerful. Trump is a narcissist, and as long as he has some people clapping and whooping for him it seems to be enough.

I hope the US voters don't just vote down party lines as it seems fanciful to me that the electorate thinks the President alone is the only factor that'll make a difference. Although in his case I feel he is a self-deluded loon, so who knows what he'd be capable of doing on the world stage.

Toshi_TNE · Sep 23, 2016

Frank said:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...re-secretly-funding-trump-s-meme-machine.html

Palmer Luckey is a Donald Trump supporter.

I'm never usually bothered about the political leaning of the people who provide me with stuff, but my choice between the two headsets was balanced on a knife edge. This snippet of information would have probably persuaded me to plump for the VIVE over my eventual choice.

The clown you pick to lead makes no difference for most of the planet. Both sides are pretty much the same thing when viewed from the outside.
And didn't Luckey sell it to Facebook for 200 gorillion? His opinion shouldn't influence your purchase if he's not involved. Even if he is, if he does his job and doesn't force you to watch a Trump ad every time you put the headset on it shouldn't matter either. I can enjoy Tom Cruise movies even though he's a scientologist.

thearmysredneck · Sep 23, 2016

Well, reckon that's a plus for the CV1 in my book![yesnod]

Oh wait...Facebook owns it now doesn't it? Damn, there went that thought! [where is it]

Back to waiting for FDEV to get their crap together for proper VIVE support so I can order the dern thing. Guess we'll probably have a VIVE V2 by then taking the development teams silence on the subject.[sour]

Beavis Tingleball · Sep 23, 2016

I am now a PROUD CV1 owner...guess we know who the traitor snowflake is now...way to go frank..

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@frank..why would you vote for Scottish independence BUT vote against brexit????????????? being that you're from the UK i'd suggest you stay out of our affairs. your "common sense candidate" is a traitor to the American people.

Gortron · Sep 23, 2016

Frank said:
I'm in the UK so I really don't have any say in the matter, but the common sense vote has my support. I've not had much luck with my voting in the past. I voted for Scottish Independence, I voted for the UK to stay in Europe, and most importantly of all, I voted for instantaneous transfer of ships <sigh>

There's a reason why I want Hilary Clinton to win. The last time Trump came over to Scotland to promote his golf course, his welcome was less than enthusiastic. I just hope President Trump doesn't decide to nuke us off the face of the planet out of spite,

I (reluctantly, but imho correctly) voted to leave the EU and during the Scottish referendum, wanted Scotland to stay in the UK. Scotland can and should do what it likes. It isn't working out because you just don't get who has power and who to blame..... But that is because the SNP is blaming all the on England.

dogbite · Sep 23, 2016

If I made my purchase decisions based on the political leanings of corporate execs, I probably wouldn't buy a lot of stuff. This being a VR forum, I would think there is a better place for such nonsense.

[HJ]-RedRaven · Sep 24, 2016

Hehe I don't know... there's always let it go and eat popcorn

Frank · Sep 24, 2016

Toshi_TNE said:
The clown you pick to lead makes no difference for most of the planet. Both sides are pretty much the same thing when viewed from the outside.
And didn't Luckey sell it to Facebook for 200 gorillion? His opinion shouldn't influence your purchase if he's not involved. Even if he is, if he does his job and doesn't force you to watch a Trump ad every time you put the headset on it shouldn't matter either. I can enjoy Tom Cruise movies even though he's a scientologist.

Yep! That's a good point. I've never let Tom Cruise's weird belief in invisible space aliens get in my way of enjoying his movies.

Beavis Tingleball said:
I am now a PROUD CV1 owner...guess we know who the traitor snowflake is now...way to go frank..

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@frank..why would you vote for Scottish independence BUT vote against brexit????????????? being that you're from the UK i'd suggest you stay out of our affairs. your "common sense candidate" is a traitor to the American people.

What a tiny part of a now insignificant little island gets up to isn't really much of a concern to anybody. Who gets to be the most powerful human in the world is one which concerns everyone. I'd prefer it to be the one who makes logical decisions, and doesn't do something weird like gather a following of bigots on the basis that, because Barack Obama is black, there's no way he can have an American passport... and then during an advertisement for one of his hotels he tells all those bigots that the president is American after all, and it's all Hillary Clinton's fault instead because she's the one who started it? Really!?

Apart from the completely... I don't know... I'm really lost for words here... This guy is running for president!?.. Craziness of the admission, isn't he just handing all those bigot votes over to Hillary? I mean if Trump isn't there undermining the American-ity of Barack, and everything Trump says is true, and he said that Hillary is the bigot who started all the birth certificate rumours, then surely all the bigots should now vote Hillary Clinton?

Vasious · Sep 24, 2016

Demonising people in a foreign country over which side they pick in a two option choice seems pretty... worrying a direct for people to see as acceptable.

[VR] Deggial · Sep 24, 2016

As much as I despise Trump - I don't know about the political orientation of the producer of my coffee machine or my fridge. And honestly, I don't care as well. Why should this be different for my HMD?

I don't have to talk to Luckey, I even don't have to like him. It's a weird political opinion I don't share by any means.

Frank · Sep 24, 2016

Deggial said:
As much as I despise Trump - I don't know about the political orientation of the producer of my coffee machine or my fridge. And honestly, I don't care as well. Why should this be different for my HMD?

I don't have to talk to Luckey, I even don't have to like him. It's a weird political opinion I don't share by any means.

I'm not so sure about my own feelings on the coffee machine example. If there were two identical coffee machines making exactly the same quality of coffee in exactly the same time, and costing the same, I might take my opinion of the manufacturer into consideration.

Of course the interesting question is how much of a difference that opinion makes when the two coffee machines differ slightly, and at which gap in price and/or quality I change brand.

Whether or not is makes that much difference to people, I thought it would be good for them to be aware of the information.

thebullfrog · Sep 24, 2016

There is one thing I want to add to this for those of you outside the US who don't care about Trump: This isn't about Palmer supporting Trump. His politics don't matter. The debate here is the fact he is funneling millions of dollars from Rift purchases to fund a blatantly racist, white supremacist hate group. That's my concern. If it was just supporting Trump's campaign, then whatever, but when you are actively making racist remarks and supporting Gamergate on top of it, then I don't see how any decent person could continue supporting your company.

Frank · Sep 24, 2016

For the sake of balance, I thought I'd better post this up as well...

Statement From Palmer Luckey

I am deeply sorry that my actions are negatively impacting the perception of Oculus and its partners.The recent news stories about me do not accurately represent my views.
Here’s more background: I contributed $10,000 to Nimble America because I thought the organization had fresh ideas on how to communicate with young voters through the use of several billboards. I am a libertarian who has publicly supported Ron Paul and Gary Johnson in the past, and I plan on voting for Gary in this election as well.
I am committed to the principles of fair play and equal treatment. I did not write the "NimbleRichMan" posts, nor did I delete the account. Reports that I am a founder or employee of Nimble America are false. I don’t have any plans to donate beyond what I have already given to Nimble America.
Still, my actions were my own and do not represent Oculus. I’m sorry for the impact my actions are having on the community.

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thearmysredneck · Sep 24, 2016

I find it comical that all this anti trump sentiment gets a pass, but should I start in on pro trump, or anti globalist sentiments, it would most likely get shut down purty quick. I don't know where people get the idea he's a racist and all that other crap. Does wanting to enforce laws that we already have in place make someone racist? What we can't have border security but the pope can have walls surrounding the Vatican and that's ok? Our southern neighbor can have some of the toughest immigration policies for their southern border and that ok but I'd we want to that makes us bad!? What kind of double standard B.S. is that? No matter what country your from, borders, language, and culture, that's what defines your country. Yes I'm a southern redneck, and as long as you speak our language, assimilate in to our culture, respect our laws and sovereignty, wave the American flag, and keep your hands off my guns, welcome to our patch of dirt! I wish you the best!

So as I said before we're it not for the Facebook thing, this would be a plus for me. I guess I'll still be going for the Vive though. I have great hopes for the room scale thing.

Frank · Sep 24, 2016

thearmysredneck said:
I find it comical that all this anti trump sentiment gets a pass, but should I start in on pro trump, or anti globalist sentiments, it would most likely get shut down purty quick. I don't know where people get the idea he's a racist and all that other crap. Does wanting to enforce laws that we already have in place make someone racist? What we can't have border security but the pope can have walls surrounding the Vatican and that's ok? Our southern neighbor can have some of the toughest immigration policies for their southern border and that ok but I'd we want to that makes us bad!? What kind of double standard B.S. is that? No matter what country your from, borders, language, and culture, that's what defines your country. Yes I'm a southern redneck, and as long as you speak our language, assimilate in to our culture, respect our laws and sovereignty, wave the American flag, and keep your hands off my guns, welcome to our patch of dirt! I wish you the best!

So as I said before we're it not for the Facebook thing, this would be a plus for me. I guess I'll still be going for the Vive though. I have great hopes for the room scale thing.

Well, I would guess the main reason I consider him a racist is because he was charged with racial discrimination back in the 70s.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html

Yet the most damaging episode in the saga of Trump’s fractured relationship with the black community came in 1973, when his family’s real-estate company, Trump Management Corporation, was sued by the Justice Department for alleged racial discrimination. At the time, Trump was the company’s president. Just last month, at Trump’s Comedy Central roast, Snoop Dogg referenced the case by joking about Trump’s potential 2012 run for the White House: “Why not? It wouldn’t be the first time he pushed a black family out of their home.”

The case alleged that the Trump Management Corporation had discriminated against blacks who wished to rent apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island. The government charged the corporation with quoting different rental terms and conditions to blacks and whites and lying to blacks that apartments were not available, according to reports of the lawsuit.

Trump denies it happens, but denial is Trump's natural state. For Donald Trump, another day brings another lie. We've moved on from the birther incident.

http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-lie-florida-casino-gambling-502144?rm=eu

What happens in your head when you find out that Trump has lied to you? You must have some sort of memory? Don't you remember Trump demanding Obama's birth certificate? How does it make you feel when he tells you that it never happened? Do you just accept Trump is telling the truth and that your memory is playing tricks on you? You don't feel at all insulted that Trump thinks such a simple lie will suffice?

The only rational explanation I can think of is that you are joking about your support for this man. Just make sure you don't take the joke too far and vote for him.

Moonax IRL · Sep 25, 2016

thearmysredneck said:
I find it comical that all this anti trump sentiment gets a pass, but should I start in on pro trump, or anti globalist sentiments, it would most likely get shut down purty quick. I don't know where people get the idea he's a racist and all that other crap. Does wanting to enforce laws that we already have in place make someone racist? What we can't have border security but the pope can have walls surrounding the Vatican and that's ok? Our southern neighbor can have some of the toughest immigration policies for their southern border and that ok but I'd we want to that makes us bad!? What kind of double standard B.S. is that? No matter what country your from, borders, language, and culture, that's what defines your country. Yes I'm a southern redneck, and as long as you speak our language, assimilate in to our culture, respect our laws and sovereignty, wave the American flag, and keep your hands off my guns, welcome to our patch of dirt! I wish you the best!

So as I said before we're it not for the Facebook thing, this would be a plus for me. I guess I'll still be going for the Vive though. I have great hopes for the room scale thing.

As an outsider looking I don't envy US voters options in the next elections. Trump I see as a buffoon who will say what he needs to for electoral purposes and he will have no problem doing the opposite of what he has previously said, Clinton is untrustworthy and dishonest. These two have more in common than a lot of people think.
In relation to your post I agree with some of your points, a nation's prime responsibilities are the safety, welfare and protection of its citizens and their way of life. One of the prime tools in relation to achieving this is a secure border as it provides the first line of defence in relation to the security and integrity of that country. How a country policies that border or who it wishes to admit through same should be entirely in the remit of that country. The only standard should be that it is done humanely and fairly but the integrity of that border should be the prime consideration for the reasons previously outlined.
In saying this the US have to shoulder the blame for a lot of the unrest around the world. Their interference with other nations in South America in the latter decades of the last century caused much death and misery, destabilizing these countries causing the mass movement of people.

The foreign adventures of the US along with their erstwhile partners in the UK have totally destabilised the middle east and North Africa leading to the deaths of probably over a million people in that region and the near complete destruction of the nation states concerned along with the societies within.
The chaos born out of these adventures has led to the rise of of radical islam in these regions and its spread to Europe. As a result Europe is now destabilizing due to the influx of millions fleeing the chaos in the middle east. The funny thing is you have the US and the UK whistling past the graveyard as if all this is someone else's fault and it has nothing to do with them, yet other countries who had no act or part in creating the mess are left carrying the can. You would hope that the citizens of these countries would carry out some critical thinking in relation to their past military escapades and the whole mess we all now find ourselves in and try to do something about it instead of electing tweedledum or tweedledee to repeat the whole sorry process again at a later stage.
We live in hope.

Frank · Sep 25, 2016

Both candidates supported the Iraq war. Donald Trump, unsurprisingly, denies doing this.

Hillary Clinton isn't doing anything particularly noble about confessing to this fact, as it is on public record. The biggest difference between them is that Clinton is a real politician, and her actions had an effect on the outcome of events, whereas Donald Trump was a reality game show host.

I guess the best analogy for the UK would be an election between Tony Blair and Jeremy Kyle. Despite what I think of him, I would take the pragmatic approach and vote for the politician who has had the experience of government.