using a black market? I am thinking about this to be fun.
What are your experiences?
What are your experiences?
anyone having great fun with smuggling on his/hers fleet carrier
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first of all, smuggling with a carrier is great. buy goods legally in one system, haul them to FC, buy them via FC market and smuggle away. it's even possible to make a profit for the smugglers, just a minus for the FC bank! But for that there is no black market module necessary.
i still have a black market module. usecase:
more of a rp reason, though. over 30K tons exported via FC market since FC update tracked by my spreadsheet, so probably more (market says 106K tons, but i don't think that's right... on the other hand 30k export and 30k import ... might be, yes.) - some of those illegal in system. around 200 tons traded via black market module.
i think if you have a constant influex of other players with stolen commodities by playing in a group of thiefs or pirates, it might make sense. otherwise - as the owner you can transfer stolen cargo as any other, and take it out to smuggle.
this is a major problem - you can't advertise it, beside setting role to smuggler/pirate, naming FC whatever.
i still have a black market module. usecase:
- several salvage commodities come only stolen, hafnium for exampel, or toxic waste. i mirror those commodities in the BM module. whether you bring sap8 containers stolen or legal, i'll take them.
- i used it to have a place to drop of salvage with my tertiary account
- i can resell stolen commodities for other smugglers. you know - who comes to take narcotics might as well take some stolen consumer tech with him.
more of a rp reason, though. over 30K tons exported via FC market since FC update tracked by my spreadsheet, so probably more (market says 106K tons, but i don't think that's right... on the other hand 30k export and 30k import ... might be, yes.) - some of those illegal in system. around 200 tons traded via black market module.
Smuggling is busted, so there's really not much call for it. In a majority of cases, you won't turn a profit because selling to npcs attracts a -25% debuff... so if you had a black market on b your FC, any product you hope to still turn a profit on with sales from players, would need to be priced at less than what another player paid for it.... so there's absolutely no reason to smuggle, even with an FC.
I started my own FC today. I have a black market on it. People can use it to undermine factions (and push anarchists).
Long live the empire ;-)
Long live the empire ;-)
I have to agree with this. I don't have that much of an experience however... I was recently working on The Dweller unlock. Requirement is to sell to at least 5 black markets and give him 500k. I got few tonnes of narcotics to distribute and on every station black market wanted them way below purchase price... I wont be doing this again as it is straight loss of funds...
The main benefit of the secure warehouse on a carrier is similar to the benefit it provides to a miner - you can load it up, list commodities for a nominal value, and not have to care about chasing the best sell systems every day. Park it in an LTD piracy system and you're gucci.
I've not chased down other minerals since the update but platinum would be worth stealing now if you can find a place where NPCs carry it.
I've not chased down other minerals since the update but platinum would be worth stealing now if you can find a place where NPCs carry it.
Paging @Jmanis - you might want to run some tests today. Was running some combat stabilizers last night expecting to make a loss at a bunch of black markets, but I was getting in the neighborhood of galactic average price each time. Even sold at a decent profit in systems with wars or civil unrest states. I'm wondering if we got a stealth fix to the 25% debuff tucked in with yesterday's balance update?
I'll check it out, won't be for another 8 hours or so though.
It used to be my source of income, selling stolen LTDs. I wasn't making billions, but it was fun.
Players bought all kinds of things, I used to keep track but had to step away from the game for a while. Since I came back I didn't really put that much time into it again.
Players bought all kinds of things, I used to keep track but had to step away from the game for a while. Since I came back I didn't really put that much time into it again.
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Still doesn't look to be the case. Bought narcotics at ~8.2k, this is the black market price for an Ex/Ref black market, boom state.
Meanwhile, extraction economy, no Boom, open market, same power effects:
I've no strong idea of how BM's work (just using mine for wingmate to trade out stolen commodities at the moment, hatch breaks from wanted ships, plus bounty) but wouldn't you almost expect times when the main economy is in boom to be the worse time for blackmarkets? Isn't it closer to the real world, that when the main economy is in retreat blackmarkets become more attractive?
I think the FC BM is kinda broken atm and has somehow slipped passed the devs balance passes.
That is all I can say on the matter due to an NDA I signed with another forum user.
It was actually my second test. My first test was in a None, Drought state, which reported a comparable price, but I didn't report it in case drought was affected.
However, black market prices follow the normal market pricing stateful effects... boom is usually good for narcotics.
As another contrast, a neighbouring industrial which is actually an import station is in Boom, and has an open market price of ~10,000.
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Nice. I'm wondering if there's any effect from the actual legal status though ..
For example Narcotics are illegal in jurisdiction but I'm going to be selling "stolen" goods. in other words they're both sold in blackmarket and are both illicit but illicit for quite different reasons (and tagged in cargo accordingly).
Some opportunity for investigation here I feel. o7
Yes. Stolen goods apply a -25% debuff to price, owing to the fact you have virtually 0 acquisition cost, and the risk of moving "hot" goods to the market.
Illegal goods are meant to attract a small premium, owing to the risk of being scanned and fined. This is how it worked till new BGS came in, then virtually all illegal goods, except those which have quite extreme profit margins, sell for a loss, because they incorrectly receive the -25% stolen debuff. I verified this once with the same type of goods, one stolen and one not stolen, but both illegal. They were priced the same.
Ah darn, must have gotten carried away seeing good prices due to normal state effects then. Sorry for the mis-report!
Sounds to me like FD's rebalances shouldn't be allowed to finish just yet.
Robbers have rights too!