aquariums : fishes and Marine Mammal

My favorite animals are Orca, i wish to have some in my zoo, why not also dolphins?
It would also be amazing to build awesome aquariums with fishes, sharks, coral, ....
I new dimension to add in our zoo !
I wish more interaction that what we have with terrariums : like a "normal" habitat but underwater ;)
 
Perhaps instead of a full aquarium one, starting with something like an enhancement of water mechanics for the animals that are land/water in normal zoos. Having the swimming mechanics up as the major thing, and the animals would be ones that are more on the water side, but still with a lot of land behavior as well. Updating a lot of existing ones like hippos to have more water behaviors.

Add in a few fish, amphibians, and such that would be enrichment or environmental like cleaner fish for hippos or some basic frogs and such if you want them in places.
 
I'd be fine with a few small marine animals, but don't actually want them very much - could take it or leave it.
Semi-aquatic animals like seals and penguins would be cool, but i'm not too fussed if we don't get them. Would purchase for sure
Cetaceans? No thanks! Would not buy and would be annoyed that they spent their resources on it at the expense of other animals.
 
I would be interested in small aquariums in the game, for example if they adapted the exhibits to hold small fish - many zoos have a few tanks and it could be a nice little extra touch. Animals like seals, sealions could also work however personally I do not want cetaceans in game.
 
My favorite animals are Orca, i wish to have some in my zoo, why not also dolphins?

There are many reasons not to support the captivity of cetaceans. I'd rather they weren't included in a game that is built around the idea of conservation and animal welfare. Whales and dolphins in marine parks are fundamentally circus animals, not there for conservation.
 
A game built around conservation and animal welfare? wonderful. 👌
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I'm not criticizing the game, I just want you to notice some things now and be fair.
animal species that do not need protection:
African buffalo
Artic wolf
Bactrian camel
Ostrich
Common warthog
Gemsbok
Flamingo
Jaguar
Japanase macaque
Llama
Plains zebra
Pronghorn antelope
Reindeer
Saltwater Crocodile
Hyena
Springbok
Timber Wolf

Dolphins and whales are not circus animals, circus animals are ruled by "whip" or "hooked-sticks".
There are thousands of zoos in the world. You cannot know which of these are for animal protection or not.
It all depends on the intentions of zoos and aquarium owners.
A zoo may claim to protect animals, but it doesn't actually help animals. But if other zoos have claimed to protect animals, that could be a true claim.
For example, if I were to open a park with whales and dolphins, my priority would be to prepare more natural environments for animals. As I said, this is all a matter of intention.
I may have opened a park purely to protect the animals, but someone else may have opened a park purely to make money.
You will never stop acting like a politician and try to find an opinion. Sad situation... 😔
 
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A game built around conservation and animal welfare? wonderful. 👌
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animal species that do not need protection:
African buffalo
Artic wolf
Bactrian camel
Ostrich
Common warthog
Gemsbok
Flamingo
Jaguar
Japanase macaque
Llama
Plains zebra
Pronghorn antelope
Reindeer
Saltwater Crocodile
Hyena
Springbok
Timber Wolf

Dolphins and whales are not circus animals, circus animals are ruled by "whip" or "hooked-sticks".
There are thousands of zoos in the world. You cannot know which of these are for animal protection or not.
It all depends on the intentions of zoos and aquarium owners.
A zoo may claim to protect animals, but it doesn't actually help animals. But if other zoos have claimed to protect animals, that could be a true claim.
For example, if I were to open a park with whales and dolphins, my priority would be to prepare more natural environments for animals. As I said, this is all a matter of intention.
There are standards a zoo must meet to qualify as a "good" zoo. Roadside zoos are not certified by any official groups, and as such, intelligent people can avoid them. So you can, in fact, know which are for animal protection. Without captive breeding, many species alive today would be extinct. Those examples may possible, but the game is still conservation focused. Those are more issues with the game itself, not its message. The animals that aren't in danger mean nothing. Some still are not totally risk-free. Even those that are fine are not being forced to perform and their enclosures are somewhat like their actual habitats. I'm certain your comeback will be "in-game we'll be able to create better enclosures." In real life this is not an okay thing. Stop trying to justify this IRL. In a game, eh whatever. Still not something I want.
 
My favorite animals are Orca, i wish to have some in my zoo, why not also dolphins?
It would also be amazing to build awesome aquariums with fishes, sharks, coral, ....
I new dimension to add in our zoo !
I wish more interaction that what we have with terrariums : like a "normal" habitat but underwater ;)


I would LOVE to have this as an expension! 💜 💜 💜 💜
 
There are standards a zoo must meet to qualify as a "good" zoo. Roadside zoos are not certified by any official groups, and as such, intelligent people can avoid them. So you can, in fact, know which are for animal protection. Without captive breeding, many species alive today would be extinct. Those examples may possible, but the game is still conservation focused. Those are more issues with the game itself, not its message. The animals that aren't in danger mean nothing. Some still are not totally risk-free. Even those that are fine are not being forced to perform and their enclosures are somewhat like their actual habitats. I'm certain your comeback will be "in-game we'll be able to create better enclosures." In real life this is not an okay thing. Stop trying to justify this IRL. In a game, eh whatever. Still not something I want.
I have nothing to say to you. because you are really doing so unfairly. Have you never read the solutions I suggested for the game before? Am I talking about IRL every time?
I'm not trying to justify the IRL, I'm telling the facts. Look, let me tell you one more true truth. It is impossible to force a 6,000 pound orca to do something it does not want to do.
Also what does this game have to do with shows?
I've always tried to find common ground, because I think sea animals can take a proper place in the game. but you have always acted politically.
There are standards a zoo must meet to qualify as a "good" zoo.
who sets these standards?

Also, if this is a game, stop comparing marine animals to IRL or SeWorld and offer ideas on how to fit into the game with the message of protecting marine animals. just like I did in previous times.
Do not make certain statements without knowing how the Frontier will handle the topic of marine animals. Instead of saying "I don't want", say "can they add to the game well?"
 
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I have nothing to say to you. because you are really doing so unfairly. Have you never read the solutions I suggested for the game before? Am I talking about IRL every time?
I'm not trying to justify the IRL, I'm telling the facts. Look, let me tell you one more true truth. It is impossible to force a 6,000 pound orca to do something it does not want to do.
Also what does this game have to do with shows?
I've always tried to find common ground, because I think sea animals can take a proper place in the game. but you have always acted politically.

who sets these standards?

Also, if this is a game, stop comparing marine animals to IRL or SeWorld and offer ideas on how to fit into the game with the message of protecting marine animals. just like I did in previous times.
Do not make certain statements without knowing how the Frontier will handle the topic of marine animals. Instead of saying "I don't want", say "can they add to the game well?"
Just to clarify, you're saying I'm the one who brought real life matters into the discussion? You just were talking about real world zoos (criticizing them) and real world water parks (supporting them). Real life matters are, of course, irrelevant, and I don't want this to become a huge debate. I said why I disagreed, and that's all the real life I think will be relevant. Let's drop that part.

Even in the game, assuming Planet Zoo doesn't need to worry about the real world at all, they don't seem like something I would want. I would love seals, sea lions, penguins, tropical fish, and others, but cetaceans are just not something I would enjoy or use. I think many other people would agree. They would need to essentially be built from scratch, and they would need complex diving animations. A lot of work for something many people wouldn't want.

If they made it into a separate game that wouldn't take away work from other DLCs, then I would simply not buy it. I wouldn't be that upset at such a choice, Frontier doing things with a game I don't play.

That is all I have to say. I am sorry you took my comment the wrong way. I really don't want this to escalate. If I wanted to argue with people about real world matters, I could just go over to off-topic. 😉
 
Just to clarify, you're saying I'm the one who brought real life matters into the discussion? You just were talking about real world zoos (criticizing them) and real world water parks (supporting them). Real life matters are, of course, irrelevant, and I don't want this to become a huge debate. I said why I disagreed, and that's all the real life I think will be relevant. Let's drop that part.

Even in the game, assuming Planet Zoo doesn't need to worry about the real world at all, they don't seem like something I would want. I would love seals, sea lions, penguins, tropical fish, and others, but cetaceans are just not something I would enjoy or use. I think many other people would agree. They would need to essentially be built from scratch, and they would need complex diving animations. A lot of work for something many people wouldn't want.

If they made it into a separate game that wouldn't take away work from other DLCs, then I would simply not buy it. I wouldn't be that upset at such a choice, Frontier doing things with a game I don't play.

That is all I have to say. I am sorry you took my comment the wrong way. I really don't want this to escalate. If I wanted to argue with people about real world matters, I could just go over to off-topic. 😉
I guess there was some misunderstanding. Sorry if it was my mistake. The point I want to make is not "I do not support zoos" "I support water parks". I just think there is a very unfair treatment in this regard. because they are constantly comparing it to IRL. I do not find this right. I've put forward a lot of ideas in the past, but people have always acted politically. You may not want it, that's normal, but I'm not talking about that.
Just to clarify, you're saying I'm the one who brought real life matters into the discussion?
No, don't get offended, I say for the people who do this.
and I don't want this to become a huge debate.
Definitely, I try to behave that way too (I argue as little as possible), because it's really ridiculous to really make this topic such a big discussion, especially for a game.
Have we seen the Frontier doing a bad job so far?
Even in the game, assuming Planet Zoo doesn't need to worry about the real world at all, they don't seem like something I would want. I would love seals, sea lions, penguins, tropical fish, and others, but cetaceans are just not something I would enjoy or use.
This is a really difficult issue. So why? I've said it many times before. I'm always positive to the idea of a separate game, but I thought dozens of times that it would cause a lot of problems with animal choices. sea lions are animals that fit both themes. Wouldn't it be disappointing if this was just a game? Also, a separate game that focuses entirely on water parks / aquariums can lead to the perception that the opposite is supporting aquariums and water parks. So there are certain reasons why we want it as DLC in this game.
The turtle, the penguin, the sea lion ... these are the animals I want to see in the PZ, but what if these animals are added to the PZ and there is a separate game for aquariums in the future? animal selections will interfere. This is one of the biggest reasons why we want it as DLC. At the same time, almost everyone wants this, there are people who want to have both land animals and aquatic animals in their zoo. For example, while I want to have elephants, I also want to have Orca.
I also made the following advice. I don't know if this system is possible right now, but a system that can combine two separate games, it would be really cool if this was possible for Planet Zoo and Planet Aquarium. So people can only play PZ or only PA, but if they have both games at the same time, a system where these two games can be combined would be great. In this way, the animal list would have increased.
They would need to essentially be built from scratch, and they would need complex diving animations. A lot of work for something many people wouldn't want.
yes i agree, this is really hard work. For example, I also made a suggestion regarding this. I told the Frontier team that people who want more land animals should not have to wait, so they should have a separate team for marine animals. Because there is only one team working with DLCs, it would be a really long process. So I suggested a tactic where Frontiere marine animals would not affect the development time of other DLCs. A "completely separate" team for marine animals. In this way, both land animals' DLCs will not be delayed and people will not be disappointed.
I really don't want this to escalate.
Absolutely. Every time I see that we come to terms with the people I argue with, I am very happy. :)
 
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As a quick thing to add on to this, I think a good place to start would be simply having fish as an option. Tons of places, not just zoos. have fish in various ponds or other small spaces of water. It would be really neat to have some minimal-care fish just swimming about in different spots, so long as they aren't in a habitat with a carnivore.
 
Even though cetaceans in a zoo or marine park is a whole other topic on its own, I do hope the game will receive some sort of aquatic expansion one day (not a DLC) or a separate game that is fully compatible with Planet Zoo. Such great opportunity there for Frontier to make a great game or expansion out of.
 
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