Are rares broken? 20,000 ly payout! Read it and weep !
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Yeah, rares trade is for RP reasons only, now
I thought their value maxed out at 140 lyrs from source? It's undeveloped and left the way it was from launch probably.
Pretty much this - does't matter how far you take them past about 140 LY, you won't make any more profit.
Really they would do well to significantly increase the limits on most of them now. I understand why they don't want people to be able to fill a cutter with an individual rare but limits like 8, 12 and 14 are just risible within the context of the game economy today. Back when they set them people could make significantly more credits with a hold full of rares than with any other trading, now the fact we have delivery missions that pay over 10m credits does seem to make such concerns slightly redundant.
Yeah. Only with base trading I can trade 720 tons of my chosen commodity per trip rather than 7.
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They just don't want *anything* which *scales to very high payout*. That's why whenever something like this is found (e.g. due to some new mechanics being introduces), they very soon add some "caps" to make paying "within acceptable limits" (which they not stated publically, but I assume its in range of 10.something mils - at least judging from previous caps).
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Arguably though, Rares were introduced long before there was anything further out than ~300-400LY. That condition was the outer line of the diminishing returns they used to cap the profits.
Don't despair though, I'm currently on my way with items that I've picked up over the last ~10000LY.
Just for kicks and to make a hands-on verification of what our infamous MB's old statement "there's quite valuable stuff out there" is really made of (or : rather not).
I know they won't do nor pay any dime more as if I had picked them up 25LY away, that's just what ELITE is made of. Always as simplistic and linear as possible
PS.
At least all these things aren't illegal anymore, so that's a neat little common-sense change. Only took them almost 3 years
Don't despair though, I'm currently on my way with items that I've picked up over the last ~10000LY.
Just for kicks and to make a hands-on verification of what our infamous MB's old statement "there's quite valuable stuff out there" is really made of (or : rather not).
I know they won't do nor pay any dime more as if I had picked them up 25LY away, that's just what ELITE is made of. Always as simplistic and linear as possible
PS.
At least all these things aren't illegal anymore, so that's a neat little common-sense change. Only took them almost 3 years
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Yep. The joke is that an interesting source of rare goods was shifted 20Kly away so it's useless for rare goods trading. You can blame the fuel rats for that.
Just because you hauled something 20,000 kly doesn't mean any one will want to pay millions of cr for them, or actually want them.
Sure, price increases as availability descreases, but there is a point where no one is going to pay any higher for something. Its a $683 still. Do you expect anyone to pay more than a 2370% mark up? Or will everyone just say "yeah that's nice and all, but I can't see paying you $50,000 cr for a still. I'll just wait until Jeb makes another run out that way and I'll tag along and pick one up there..."
I think the 140ly cap makes a lot of sense. It would be silly to think that prices would continue to increase with distance and that someone would always be willing to pay that price.
Sure, price increases as availability descreases, but there is a point where no one is going to pay any higher for something. Its a $683 still. Do you expect anyone to pay more than a 2370% mark up? Or will everyone just say "yeah that's nice and all, but I can't see paying you $50,000 cr for a still. I'll just wait until Jeb makes another run out that way and I'll tag along and pick one up there..."
I think the 140ly cap makes a lot of sense. It would be silly to think that prices would continue to increase with distance and that someone would always be willing to pay that price.
Considering only one place in the entire galaxy sells them, that average price should have been an indication of what to expect, don't you think? But I'm not expecting much of people with that avatar anyway.
Wow it really burns you doesn't it? Did you have a little sniffle when FDev revealed the improvements to planets at the Expo?
Rarity/availability does not automatically equal higher value. An item's maximum value is equal to the maximum that people are willing to pay for it.
No matter how far you had to ship it, a still just isn't going to be worth more than $16,800. I dont see the outrage here, especially since the logic is fairly straight forward.
For example, I have stone age tools and pottery shards that were made by a group of people that is yet unknown to science. They inhabited the land here, and finding such items from a group of people from that time is fairly rare in the region (south eastern US).
The pottery shards have intricate patterns on them, and the stone tools range from a shaft straightener (arrows), to hammers, and mortars.
Very rare, unique, and quite old. The pottery shards have all been loaned to a university for study, but none of it has any monetary value.
My business card holder was crafted by humans thousands of years ago, but its still just a rock.
No matter how far you had to ship it, a still just isn't going to be worth more than $16,800. I dont see the outrage here, especially since the logic is fairly straight forward.
For example, I have stone age tools and pottery shards that were made by a group of people that is yet unknown to science. They inhabited the land here, and finding such items from a group of people from that time is fairly rare in the region (south eastern US).
The pottery shards have intricate patterns on them, and the stone tools range from a shaft straightener (arrows), to hammers, and mortars.
Very rare, unique, and quite old. The pottery shards have all been loaned to a university for study, but none of it has any monetary value.
My business card holder was crafted by humans thousands of years ago, but its still just a rock.
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err yeah - clearly your knowledge and experiences of the realities of real life are very limited; I suggest you take a trip to reality (or google) and look at some of the prices artworks sell for mate. Failing that ask yourself why someone would pay $800 RL dollars for a SQUARE watermelon that isn't even edible - and NOT PARTICULARLY RARE either?
or try this - meteorites. On earth, all over the world meteorites are being traded and not just whole ones, but slices of them too. - So you take 1 "large" one and slice it up like bread, polish it and sell it... value? Upwards of ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS..... PER SLICE depending on the type of iron crystal formations (yes IRON, the most common metal available all over the world) what type of gemstone inclusions it has (or not) and how many. The gemstones themselves are also worth a LOT of money, so much so meteorites get dissolved in acid to get the gems out.
What factor do you think is responsible for the prices? Take a guess - just one.
Rarity.
So, your argument is utterly flawed - because even people on earth will pay a significantly higher than "logical" price for something if it's rare and SHIPPING DISTANCES for other items IS A FACTOR OF COST ON EARTH.
On top of that for rares trading in ED, you have noticed the size of the galaxy right?
So take a RARE item (clue is in the name) and take it somewhere availability is ZERO and voila mega money. The REALITY is that if in 3303 a pilot flew 20,000 ly (using the limited jump system not a star wars style 1 jump hyperspace) to take just 27 of an item that was already rare where it was bought to a place where it doesn't exist at all, and the value would be (and SHOULD be) mega mega money.
Now, factor in that in every including 3rd world) society there is always that one guy / girl with more money than sense why should it be capped that once past 140 ly you only get "x payout" when you can potentially go from one side of the bubble to the other with a rare?
The reason this doesn't work is because the whole trading system is still a placeholder. The "rares" commodity needs to be more specific and the trading system needs to be revised so that DISTANCE as well as price is taken into account - similar to a shipping charge.
Once again this shows the flaws in creating a galaxy of such a size, then adding other parts to the game that just don't take the size into account.
oh, yeah one last thing in ED 20,000 ly isn't "around the corner" so Jeb is going to think twice about doing a 20,000ly trip, risking death and the destruction (or even just a repair bill) of a multi million cr ship for a measly Cr 221,000 profit.... thus adding another factor to the rarity.
nothing about this trading economy is logical, and nothing about it matches realities of earth let alone the distances of the galaxy, and it absolutely isn't "Dynamic (TM)".
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The quite excessive whine-in bordering on self-harm was quite getting on my nerves.
My argument is that things are only worth what people will pay for them. Rarity does increase the price for things that are in high demand, but not for things that no one wants. I have a few unique pieces of art that I created as a child. Starting the bidding at $100,000,000. They're rare! Even if something is rare and in high demand, there is always a maximum price.
Stills are great, but at some point, the asking price will be high enough that even those who are interested won't be able to justify paying the premium, especially when alternatives are available (take stills, for instance).
My explaintation maybe flawed, but the underlying logic is not.
I have plenty of experience with trading in real life, and its worked out for me pretty well so far. I'm in my 30's with zero debt (zero) and fully funded retirement. 10 years ago I had six figure debt (includes mortgage) and five figure bank balance. The delta is from buying and selling on open markets.