At what % does bulk trading get hit with decreased commodity prices?

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Hi guys, I recently started playing ED again and have been doing a fair bit of LTD mining to get cash reserves up to purchase a fleet carrier after the update hits.

I've noticed that even though the stations I've sold at had approx. sell prices of 1.6mil per ton, I only got a fraction of that when I actually sold the LTDs. So for example I sold about 470t of LTD for around 438mil (station demand was at 7400 tonnes) which is less than 1mil per ton - a loss of about 282mil from the stated price. I did some research into to this and eventually found out that this was introduced a while ago where you get a decrease on the stated price if selling in bulk. One Youtube video I saw said this decrease happens if the amount (tonnes) sold is at 10% or more of the station demand for that commodity. However as you can see from my example I was at a figure of about 6%.

So, at what % does this decrease actually occur? Or is it a tiered decrease at different percentages?

Knowing the exact percentage(s) means I could get the same money back mining substantially less tonnes, and therefore spend less time doing it.
 

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Thanks for that, very helpful :)

It seems I was about 1% over the mark. That sucks.

I would give rep but it seems as though you can no longer do that.
 
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Dimensions said:
Hi guys, I recently started playing ED again and have been doing a fair bit of LTD mining to get cash reserves up to purchase a fleet carrier after the update hits.

I've noticed that even though the stations I've sold at had approx. sell prices of 1.6mil per ton, I only got a fraction of that when I actually sold the LTDs. So for example I sold about 470t of LTD for around 438mil (station demand was at 7400 tonnes) which is less than 1mil per ton - a loss of about 282mil from the stated price. I did some research into to this and eventually found out that this was introduced a while ago where you get a decrease on the stated price if selling in bulk. One Youtube video I saw said this decrease happens if the amount (tonnes) sold is at 10% or more of the station demand for that commodity. However as you can see from my example I was at a figure of about 6%.

So, at what % does this decrease actually occur? Or is it a tiered decrease at different percentages?

Knowing the exact percentage(s) means I could get the same money back mining substantially less tonnes, and therefore spend less time doing it.
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EDIT: Oops I realised that my last run was actually 270t and not 470t as I stated above. So that means I was at actually about the 3.5% mark. So that means the cut off must be below that figure, maybe 3% according to the reddit post.
 

[VR] Orodruin

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With 270/7.4k you should not get penalized with bulk tax - at least not that noticeably. Were you perhaps mining across the daily tick? When system states change, the prices on offer change. It takes some time for third party sites such as EDDB and Inara to update as they need data reported by commanders before they do so.

Do you remember when you were selling and to what station?
 

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Well I updated the market just before selling to ensure there wasn't a price change.

The station I traded at was at the Una system at Hoard Orbital:

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As you can see it is still trading at 1.6mil with a demand of 7.6K.
 

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I've just realised my whole calculation was off because I thought I had 470t LTDs. You are right I wasn't taxed, lol. Sorry. Thanks for your help guys.
 
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xzanfr

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Is this the same as the old "bulk sale fee" and if so, have any founder backers tried to see if we're still exempt from it at Shinrata (as discussed with Michael here ) ?
I don't enjoy mining so haven't checked myself yet.
 

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xzanfr said:
Is this the same as the old "bulk sale fee" and if so, have any founder backers tried to see if we're still exempt from it at Shinrata (as discussed with Michael here ) ?
I don't enjoy mining so haven't checked myself yet.
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It isn't really a tax as such, it's just if you are selling more than a certain percentage of the the station's demand for that commodity you get a reduced selling price compared to the stated sell price. The reddit post above explains it.
 

xzanfr

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Dimensions said:
It isn't really a tax as such, it's just if you are selling more than a certain percentage of the the station's demand for that commodity you get a reduced selling price compared to the stated sell price. The reddit post above explains it.
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I think we're talking about the same thing - Michael describes it here as a method for preventing the market being flooded by high value items.
He's a bit ambiguous as you will no doubt remember from back then!
I'll have a go in my mining ship over the weekend to see if founders are affected in the same way.
 

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xzanfr said:
I think we're talking about the same thing - Michael describes it here as a method for preventing the market being flooded by high value items.
He's a bit ambiguous as you will no doubt remember from back then!
I'll have a go in my mining ship over the weekend to see if founders are affected in the same way.
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Yeah we are definitely talking about the same thing :) Would be nice if the in-game market page just mentioned it outright, seems a bit opaque at the mo if your new or like me returning after a long stint away. Never mined much before, I was and still am a bounty hunter at heart. But you can't earn anywhere near the same coin as you can for mining now.
 

xzanfr

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Dimensions said:
Yeah we are definitely talking about the same thing :) Would be nice if the in-game market page just mentioned it outright, seems a bit opaque at the mo if your new or like me returning after a long stint away. Never mined much before, I was and still am a bounty hunter at heart. But you can't earn anywhere near the same coin as you can for mining now.
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They've been a bit secretive about it from the start.
No one really noticed when we were all flying about flogging fish but with the very high value goods like LTD's etc its become really noticeable and a significant amount.
In the early days I suspect that they kept it ambiguous as it was a sticky plaster to cover up a flawed BGS that was not working as expected. We know the BGS limitations now so they really need to give a better explanation.
 
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