Newcomer / Intro Attacked by police??? WHY

wolverine5pl

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Is this game broken or I'm doing something wrong?
I'm hunting for wanted pirates in belts. All good popped two. third was wanted and RED already. after popping it I got bounty and police stared to attack me!!
BUt why?
and this happens everytime
so what im doing wrong?
 

Diwrnach

Diwrnach
This needs to change in my opinion. I could understand it if it was in a system that had warring factions but it happens in federation controlled systems where no other factions are present. If someone is wanted they are wanted and I have an absolute right to kill them. These are, after all, federation bounties - after I make the kill it's the feds who are going to pay me so why should their cops attack me? If the feds fire on me then they have committed a crime and I should be able to kill them too without getting a murder charge. We're not in Missouri so please change it.
 

thorn-

thorn-
this game is anoying. had over 40k in bounties. crashed in some wanted npc and all bounties i have earned LOST.
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It's a survival incentive. Just as if you were killed will a ship full of cargo, you'd lose all that money as well. The game is (rightly, IMO) forcing you to make a choice - stay out forever and risk losing it all, or decide you've earned a good amount and cash out.

BTW, your cartography data is also lost on death if not redeemed, so long-range explorers are also forced to make this sort of choice.
 

Tiamat

Tiamat
Diwrnach said:
This needs to change in my opinion. I could understand it if it was in a system that had warring factions but it happens in federation controlled systems where no other factions are present. If someone is wanted they are wanted and I have an absolute right to kill them.
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It sounds a bit mad until you think about it. Their faction isn't the one that issued the bounty and so they don't care about the bounty at all. They just view it as a plain old murder.

Think of it like you are out on the town with a few friends and one of them gets arrested for something you do not believe is a crime. Are you going to agree with the arrest if you don't believe your friend is guilty? This is the same thing but with guns ;)
 

Boobytrap

Boobytrap
This seems needlessly complicated. In real life, do bounty hunters not regularly hunt down people from their own community? If someone from the Federation commits a crime, do federation authorities not attack them? if this is the case then why can't players do the same? I hope this is a bug because this implementation does not make any sense.

i've also seen federation authorities attacking NPCs who have clean records; so far I've only seen this at extraction points.

By the way, how can you tell which faction put out the bounty on your target?
 

thorn-

thorn-
Boobytrap said:
This seems needlessly complicated. In real life, do bounty hunters not regularly hunt down people from their own community?
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Yes, but think of this as bounty hunting in another country - and you're not a citizen there (ie, an American Bounty Hunter in Mexico.)

If someone from the Federation commits a crime, do federation authorities not attack them?
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They do.

By the way, how can you tell which faction put out the bounty on your target?
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Highlight the target in your Contacts Screen.
 

Leto Thule

Leto Thule
I had something like this happen the other night... The pilot I shot as was already "red", but I didnt scan him before shooting. On future occasions I waited for the scanner to display "wanted" before shooting him. Not sure if it was a bug or working as intended...

As a side note, I am glad that your bounties vanish upon destruction. The death penalty in this game is too forgiving (or maybe thats my outlook coming fresh over from EVE ). Risk vs reward always makes for a better game.
 

thorn-

thorn-
Leto Thule said:
I had something like this happen the other night... The pilot I shot as was already "red", but I didnt scan him before shooting. On future occasions I waited for the scanner to display "wanted" before shooting him. Not sure if it was a bug or working as intended...
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If i'm understanding you correctly, "red" simply means a) you've targeted that ship or b) it's a threat to you in some way - perhaps they've scanned YOU, for example. Red doesn't mean Wanted - you have to read the scanner results for that.
 

dermax

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Along the same lines, could there be a way to "surrender" to the police sort of like Oblivion? Yesterday I was hunting, security showed up and cut right in front of the target. I stopped firing, but one of the lasers hit him. Suddenly I was the world's most wanted, when it was actually due to his poor flying. Jumping away fixed the problem, but wouldn't it be nice if you could send over a "my bad" message and not get in a fight to the death over an accident?
 

thorn-

thorn-
Friendly Fire is one of those things that gets discussed a LOT... perhaps the devs will change it one day, perhaps not. At the moment, I just consider it a risk - the cost of doing business, if you like. Firing guns in a crowd may have some consequences, even if the one getting shot is to blame for stepping in front of your gun. ;)
 

hitkill1

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wolverine5pl said:
this game is anoying. had over 40k in bounties. crashed in some wanted npc and all bounties i have earned LOST.
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Well this way i lost around 1 M of bounty in total so i know the feel.

What i see most are the bigger ships like ASP and higher will try to ram you if they turn around.

thorn- said:
If i'm understanding you correctly, "red" simply means a) you've targeted that ship or b) it's a threat to you in some way - perhaps they've scanned YOU, for example. Red doesn't mean Wanted - you have to read the scanner results for that.
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Red means mostly you have attacked there faction and they consider you a enemy.
Or option B they are pirates and shot you first.
 
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Ortikon

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Tiamat said:
It sounds a bit mad until you think about it. Their faction isn't the one that issued the bounty and so they don't care about the bounty at all. They just view it as a plain old murder.

Think of it like you are out on the town with a few friends and one of them gets arrested for something you do not believe is a crime. Are you going to agree with the arrest if you don't believe your friend is guilty? This is the same thing but with guns ;)
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Ever notice that the Federation sends out pirate killing missions in independent systems?
Ever notice those pirates are part of the leading factions in said system?
Or perhaps the missions involving killing traders?
The USS's with a lone pilot begging you to stop killing innocents and cancel your pirate mission?
I am starting to notice that the Federation is a bit ruthless with its agenda. It may offer some Independent states their freedom by it's own accord, such as Van Maanen's Star, but others they have been using mercenaries to destabilize their government and annex them when the federal party gains power.
I had a hard time bounty hunting two days ago when I kept getting fined. Mind you I attacked Clean pilots that had bounties in the contact window. This did not work well at all.
...12k bounties against me for every kill of a local party with minor bounties on him.
I started making money legitimately when I started killing Wanted vessels labeled as wanted on the front screen. The bounties where being paid by the local system I was in rather than federation. However the targets seemed to be giving me bad rep with federation upon destruction, otherwise they where part of the local mob.
You cant help or hurt anybody without one party benefiting and another taking the short end of the stick; likewise, they pay their reputation with you the same.
 

Diwrnach

Diwrnach
Tiamat said:
It sounds a bit mad until you think about it. Their faction isn't the one that issued the bounty and so they don't care about the bounty at all. They just view it as a plain old murder.
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It's the feds who attack me. I then have to go to an independent station to pay the 300cr fine. I then have to go to a federation station to collect the bounty. The feds pay the bounty on the guy they attacked me for killing. How is that working as intended?
 

Ortikon

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Diwrnach said:
It's the feds who attack me. I then have to go to an independent station to pay the 300cr fine. I then have to go to a federation station to collect the bounty. The feds pay the bounty on the guy they attacked me for killing. How is that working as intended?
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If the fine is owed to an independent station then the system is owned by an independent faction with its own security force. If federation is paying you to kill somebody in an independent system then it is basicly a casual act of war. You are a federal mercenary toying with the civilians of an independent state. Unless by 'feds' you meant the literal Federal security forces vs just local cops of indie system; in that case I don't know what you did wrong.
Just remember that not all wanted npc's are wanted everywhere. The bigger federal government is harassing the smaller indie states.
 

Diwrnach

Diwrnach
Yes, by the feds I mean the Federal Security Services i.e. The Federation. The fine was owed to the feds. I couldn't go to a fed station to pay it because they would have blown me out of the sky when they scanned me. There is an option to pay your federation fines at independent stations.
 
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