Authoritative list of Black Market conditions.

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Uh - I'm lying. This is totally speculative nonsense. I'm hoping you'll help me figure this out.

So a Black Market opens or closes somewhere.
Why does it do that?

I've read lots of theories, but very little authoritative stuff.
So if you can link to a source that says EG:
"Dictatorships Close Down Black Markets"
or "Black Markets will Open under an Anarchy Government"
or "A Democracy will close its Black Market if you raise the security level by bounty hunting"

So I thought I would just be able to figure it out by crunching the numbers from eddb.io
Yeah right - that's a database full of tired, drunken mischief if ever I saw one.

But you CAN see some patterns in the data.
For example only 6% of Empire systems have a Black Market - so you might think that USUALLY Empire shuts a BM and there are some other modifiers keeping those few open.

Anyway here's a cull from eddb.io. (uh- these are STATIONS not systems mmkay)
If you put some effort in and find me some player manual type resources about what is supposed to happen, I'll tidy the data up into a table, and we'll be able to figure out the modifiers.

[SPECULATION]: Black Markets Open in a Low Security system and Close in a High Security system.

eddb.io BM Count

BM OK?
BM
total
%
State




Expansion



Security effect of state?
War



Security effect of state?
Civil War



Security effect of state?
Election



Security effect of state?
Boom



Security effect of state?
Bust



Security effect of state?
Civil Unrest



Security effect of state?
Famine



Security effect of state?
Outbreak



Security effect of state?
Lockdown



Station Services Shut + Security effect of state?
Investment



Security effect of state?
Retreat



Security effect of state?




Government




Anarchy
 Yes
4746
5875
80.78%
 Anarchy Opens BM (?) vs Anarchy Zeroes Security.
Colony
 No Data
0000
0000
 No Data
Communism
0634
1577
40.20%
Confederacy
1262
2578
48.95%
Cooperative
0619
1692
36.58%
 Coop increases Freedom vs Coop decreases Security.
Corporate
2333
22577
10.33%
Democracy
5912
11777
50.20%
 Democracy increases Freedom? vs Democracy lowers security?
Dictatorship
0687
8772
07.83%
 Dictatorship raises Security.
Feudal
0242
2197
11.02%
Imperial
 No Data
0000
0000
 No Data
Patronage
0443
6610
06.70%
 Patronage close BM vs Patronage raises Security?
Prison Colony
0008
0174
04.60%
 PC closes BM vs PC Maxes Security?
Theocracy
0089
0199
44.72%
 Sins will be forgiven.
Workshop
 No Data
0000
0000
 No Data






Allegiance




Independent
9636
31778
30.32%
Alliance
0376
1447
25.98%
Federation
6090
17535
34.73%
Empire
0842
13149
06.40%






PowerPlay




Mahon Exploited
1333
5034
26.48%
Mahon Control
0149
0609
24.47%
Hudson Exploited
0742
2409
30.80%
 +20% Security for Feds, Others -40% Security
Hudson Control
0108
0419
25.78%
 30% Security Increase
Winters Exploited
0690
2502
27.58%
 +20% Security Feds; Others no change.
Winters Control
0113
0382
29.58%
 20% Security Increase
Aisling Exploited
0424
2602
16.30%
Aisling Control
0056
0410
13.66%
ALD Exploited
0430
2633
16.33%
ALD Control
0013
0353
03.68%
 Black Markets Close
Patraeus Exploited
0416
2348
17.72%
Patraeus Control
0033
0304
10.86%
Torval Exploited
0607
3110
19.52%
Torval Control
0085
0619
13.73%
Antal Exploited
0611
2034
30.04%
Antal Control
 No
0023
0256
08.98%
 Black Markets Close.
Sirius Exploited
0864
2805
30.80%
Sirius Control
0084
0382
21.99%
Delaine Exploited
 Yes
0974
1137
85.66%
Delaine Control
 Yes
0142
0169
84.02%
 Black Markets Open
Grom Exploited
0768
1970
38.98%
 Security Increase for Independent Allegiance
Grom Control
 No
0067
0199
33.67%
 Black Markets Close.




Security




High



Does high security Close Black Markets?
Medium



?? Other modifiers have stronger effect ??
Low



Does Low Security Open Black Markets?
None.



Does Zero Security Open Black Markets?




 
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ethelred

ethelred
Booga & Rebecca 4 lyf.

What do you want us to do, exactly?

I've been doing some smuggling recently and irritatingly the Anarchy systems, e.g. Neche (indy, anarchy, boom) (where nothing* is illegal) all seem to have one, yet system 54 G. Antila (Fed, Corp, Boom) has 8 stations with Black Markets only 1 of which is open.

*YMMV
 
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Stern Winter

Stern Winter
This makes me wonder why anarchies have black markets at all - anything goes, so everything should be bought and sold on the normal commodities market.
And why do anarchies have system patrol craft ? There are no laws to uphold.
 

BL1P

BL1P
I doubt this helps, but here is the info anyway :)

I am in a Empire aligned and Patronage Gov Player faction.
The time we took over a station with a Black Market that market was removed. (I feel it was weeks after we took control)
It was the controlling station for the Home system.

Sadly though and this is why I do not think this helps :(
The Npc Faction that previously controlled the station(which had the BM) and also the system, was also Empire aligned and Patronage Gov ??!?!??

Which doesn't make any sense to me, Unless the rules apply only to Player Factions ?
 
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DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Ouberos said:
Dude.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteOllo/...wn_artifacts_where_to_find_them_and_where_to/

Obviously this sort of thing will confuse any results.
Click to expand...

I don't want to belittle the efforts of "The Mad Bomber", but the list of UA affected stations is kinda short compared to the number of black markets in the bubble. Like a couple dozen stations shut down by UAs compared to some thousands of Black Markets.
Closing the markets might even be a defensive measure.
But mainly it would just be more 'noise' in the database. I don't think eddb.io is uh "complete, current and correct", but that doesn't negate its uses.
 
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Ben Ryder

Ben Ryder
Gtreat stuff. This is something I have looked in to but havent had time to dig in deep. Will help where I can. I have read somewhere else that retreat may close black markets but this has not been tested.

Also there are a number of stations that had black markets which have been closed down but not due to changes in the controling faction, power play or seemingly UA bombing

Further Fdev often opens blackmarkets in systems at station where they should not be available e.g Lidpar. I do not know if they remain afterwards.

EDIT - Antal Control systems should have 0 black markets
 
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DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Ben Ryder said:
EDIT - Antal Control systems should have 0 black markets
Click to expand...

Why?

I'm trying to find a primary source from Frontier that lists the PowerPlay effects.

Also I was having a head scratch about this just now. Eddb.io probably shows the presence of a BM but not whether it's active or disabled. I might have been barking up the wrong tree with this approach.
 
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AkimuMC

AkimuMC
Ben Ryder said:
EDIT - Antal Control systems should have 0 black markets
Click to expand...

DNA-Decay said:
Why?

I'm trying to find a primary source from Frontier that lists the PowerPlay effects.

Also I was having a head scratch about this just now. Eddb.io probably shows the presence of a BM but not whether it's active or disabled. I might have been barking up the wrong tree with this approach.
Click to expand...

Archon control systems open a black market if one is not already present.

http://inara.cz/galaxy-powers can be used to quickly look at general power play benefits/effects.
 

Ben Ryder

Ben Ryder
DNA-Decay said:
Why?

I'm trying to find a primary source from Frontier that lists the PowerPlay effects.

Also I was having a head scratch about this just now. Eddb.io probably shows the presence of a BM but not whether it's active or disabled. I might have been barking up the wrong tree with this approach.
Click to expand...

No problem.

In game;

go to ships left hand panel
select Galactic Powers
(pause... tum tee tum)
Galatic power screen pop in to view
Select Galactic Power standings
Click on the young and handsome face of Pranav Antal (or draw a moustache and glasses on it )
Next click on stats in the top right

Under the heading CONTROL SYSTEMS you will see;

'....
Black markets are closed'

Now pledge to the power or just say hi at https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteAntal/ :eek: and if you'd rather not, that's fine
 

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Ben Ryder said:
No problem.
In game;
go to ships left hand panel
select Galactic Powers
(snip)
Now pledge to the power and/or if you'd rather not, that's fine
Click to expand...

Thanks to Ben for the in-game authority and to AkimuMC for the ease of access INARA list. It also demonstrates the amount of 'noise' and error in the database.

Ouberos said:
I can confirm one of my favourite Black markets closed when the Utopians marched in and started handing out flower necklaces to everyone who didn't disappear overnight.
Click to expand...
Isn't "necklacing" a rather nasty way to go? They put a car tyre on you and douse you in petrol.
Now I'm getting visions of this being the Antal anthem:
[video=youtube;Qr6NOsluHYg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr6NOsluHYg[/video]


Updated table and added [SPECULATION]:Black Markets Open/Close in Low/High Security Systems.
Seems plausible - any thoughts?
Maybe regarding security effects of different states?

Also looking at the Grom data from eddb.io: 33% of Control systems with a BM and their Power effect is to close BMs?
Is that eddb.io using outdated data or something not implemented for Yuri?
 
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VR jefranklin18

VR jefranklin18
On an only semi-related note, one of my only disappointments about Elite Dangerous is that it didn't follow the FE2/FFE black market model where there were multiple "Goods Bought and Sold" ads on the bulletin board, some of which were police stings (some of whom were bribable) and some times weren't there due to other activities.

It added a bit of spice to the proceedings as to whether Honest John at Mars High was going to buy the narcotics you had or if you were going to be busted by the feds.
 

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Marra said:
[video=youtube_share;E86gWQs-ios]https://youtu.be/E86gWQs-ios?t=30s[/video]
Click to expand...

You young triffid faced whippersnappers with yer groovy choons and yer tom boy hair cuts!
You think you can make me feel old and irrelevant like a Pink Floyd loving dinosaur?
Why I was working in a cassette duplicating factory when their first album dropped in '92, and yeah we got loaded man.
sputter mumble teeth fall out grabs zimmer frame and shuffles off into the gooom muttering something obscene about Bill Wyman the Sleaford Mods
 
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DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Ben Ryder said:
I have read somewhere else that retreat may close black markets but this has not been tested.

Further Fdev often opens blackmarkets in systems at station where they should not be available
Click to expand...

Only just noticed this -sorry.
Okay my problem with retreat causing BM closure is that the system that is causing the Retreat (super low influence) is unlikely to be the station ruler and owner of the BM. It's a big swing to go straight from having an asset to being in retreat.
YMMV.

Second - I agree there are definitely hand crafted BMs. The Alliance research bases are a case in point. To me they feel like uh you know how GalNet is seeded with clues - I even read signals in the commodities markets out there. Kinda thing. It's their galaxy and they tinker with it to mess with us.
 

Ben Ryder

Ben Ryder
The Lidpar CG should be finishing soon and I will let you know if the Fdev added black market is closed unless someone else beats me to it.
 
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