Auto take-off suicide ride

ElectricFactory

ElectricFactory
Okay not really a suicide ride but I discovered auto dock/ take off can [ still] be a little buggy. Take a look at the short clip below, auto-take off crashed me directly into a station structure, threatened to completely unravel my shields as it insisted on taking the ship through the structure instead of around it. I manually took over control of the ship, manuevered around the structure and out of the station.
Has this happened to you ?
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M00ka

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ElectricFactory said:
Okay not really a suicide ride but I discovered auto dock/ take off can [ still] be a little buggy. Take a look at the short clip below, auto-take off crashed me directly into a station structure, threatened to completely unravel my shields as it insisted on taking the ship through the structure instead of around it. I manually took over control of the ship, manuevered around the structure and out of the station.
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Yeah, most I have lost is one ring of shields. There is one local station that if I get a pad at the back the ADC will try to take me through a crane thingie on the way out. Strange it will move around the crane when docking but has problems when leaving the station.

To be honest, it doesn't worry me, I am normally too busy scanning all the other ships and getting free encoded mats - hmm maybe that is my problem, I'm definitely not paying attention :D
 

ElectricFactory

ElectricFactory
Actually you desribe precisely what happened to me. And I too lost one ring of shields. It happened on the way out, not on the way in- wonder why ?

M00ka said:
Yeah, most I have lost is one ring of shields. There is one local station that if I get a pad at the back the ADC will try to take me through a crane thingie on the way out. Strange it will move around the crane when docking but has problems when leaving the station.
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NorthernDevo

NorthernDevo
Well... keeping in mind that ADC is a very stupid system with no sensor/object avoidance ability, the situation as seen in the video is in no way surprising. The ADC is an assistance, not a replacement, for landing/takeoff ability. It regularly slams a player into the wall since it's determined to be the last ship out of the bay and doesn't take into considerations all the things sticking out of the bay.

No offense to the OP at all, but the pilot should have taken control the moment that beam came into view. Autopilot does not absolve the Human pilot of responsibility.
 

NorthernDevo

NorthernDevo
For the record, I used autopilot a lot in my RL flying career, and do so now in ED. It's a help and a convenience. Things are a lot different in RL where procedures and rules are much more important, but in ED while it's going through the rote duties of docking my ship I'm planning my next leg and the transactions at this station. I never lose awareness of what my ship's doing, however. The moment ADC decides to send me sailing into the wall I cancel it and fly out manually. The same goes for docking - it's a nice help, but I'm ready to take over at a moment's notice.
 

NorthernDevo

NorthernDevo
CMDR Maylor Rom said:
That's because you are a RL pilot and know the value of situational awareness. I am also a RL pilot and while the autopilot and navigational aids are convienent, they will never replace good sitck and rudder skills. I was flying a Cessna at night one mile out from the airstrip when the dash and engine went dead. The only things working were my artificial horizon, compass and air-speed indicator. I had to do a dead stick landing totally in the dark, with nothing more than a flashlight. Fortunately, I managed my altitude and air-speed just right and touched down just at the edge of the runway. A brown pants day for me.
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Thanks. Just curious - what on Earth happened? To lose total electrical power in a Cessna would mean to lose both magnetos in flight and I've never heard of that happening, TBH. I can imagine one not working and somehow not seeing it on the panel, but the runup would instantly show either L or R wasn't operating...also, the AI and DI (unless you mean the actual whiskey compass) are gyroscopic, which is electrical but they were working? lol I'm just curious. :)
 
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NorthernDevo

NorthernDevo
CMDR Maylor Rom said:
It was an old 1955 Cessna 150 referbished by a private owner. After the FAA investigated my incident, they found the guy I was buying it from had installed most of the electrical circuits himself and tied them to breakers that could not handle the load. Both magneto's had been wired together improperly, which burned the wiring out. I did not find out until after I had landed that a small electrical fire had occurred, but fortunately went out. I should have realized something was wrong before I took off, but I was young and eager to buy my first plane. The FAA filed charges against the guy for doing electrical work he was not qualified or certified to do and suspended his license. The damage was so severe to the electrical system and avionics it all had to be ripped out, replaced and the plane had to be recertified for flight by a certified Cessna repair facility. Of course, I did not buy the plane.

I took my twin engine certifications and moved to Alaska to fly for an outfit hiring pilots.
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Ahhh! Gotcha. Man - he paralleled the mags!? Lost his license hell; that guy should've been jailed! That aircraft would have been a bloody deathtrap - good job getting her down.
I never had a failure flying helicopter thankfully, but had an engine fire in a 172 while doing my Commercial in '94.
Chuckle - you talk about the 'nads crawling up behind my eyeballs, but Olag? My instructor looked over, saw I was doing everything right (I had 160 hours, he had 14,000) and said "You got it" and went back to looking out the window. We were heading into YKF on extended base - I put AQV down nice and comfy, thanked my stars I started by flying gliders and glared daggers at Olag for the rest of the day. He was right though - young me got valuable experience dealing with a real-life emergency; experience which would serve me well.
Cheers!
 

NorthernDevo

NorthernDevo
Capt. Hook said:
Think I heard somewhere asteroid stations and auto take off can get very hairy
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They can. I can't remember which one, it's just on the other side of Thargoid space IIRC, but one asteroid base I came into after my last exploration journey had a big whoppin' ROCK floating right in front of the mail slot. Well...about 2 kilometers, but at that point your autolaunch still has control.
By now, my tendency is to allow the autolaunch to do its thing, right up until it's got me lined up in the slot - or if it says 'in queue'. Then I'll hit 50% power and cruise out.
 

Brrokk

Brrokk
Yes, that happens. Especially in asteroid bases which have extra internal structure.

I'm always watching it on takeoff though, because I like to scan ships going out ahead of me for the data. (You can "select" without disengaging ADC).
 

Morbad

Morbad
CMDR Maylor Rom said:
Automation will never replace the skills of a good pilot.

Too much automation can get you killed.

o7...
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If by never you mean not within a couple of decades...maybe.

I don't think we're that far off from autopilots and drones being able to broadly out do humans in these tasks and most of us will live to see the day when fully automated conveyances are statistically safer than the best of human pilots.

Captain Willard said:
HMMMM Auto land on a hi g planet. YAY
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Our ships do this every time you recall them...been a long time since I've had issue with them damaging ships.

Even NPCs seem to land on high-g worlds just fine...even if they can't always fly over them very well.
 

ElectricFactory

ElectricFactory
First my bonafides; I love ED. I'd buy it six more times if I could, sew the package boxes into a suit jacket. I don't want to change anything and am not complaining, the game is great and responsible pilots should blah blah blah. I get it, accept it and agree.
However. It's the year 3300. We're flying space ships capable of exceeding the speed of light, fuel scooping from stars and intergalactic travel. All that, and a ' very stupid ADC with no sensor/ object avoidance ability' ? Really ? Even in the context of game lore I don't get it. Again, I'm not advocating any game changes related to the ADC. And of course it is just a game so, science.
But a 'very stupid ADC with no sensor/ object avoidance ability'.. really ? And no rear view mirror ?
Be gentle.

NorthernDevo said:
Well... keeping in mind that ADC is a very stupid system with no sensor/object avoidance ability
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