Newcomer / Intro Back to the Future - Lave Station, 30 Years Later!

Well I finally got some time this past week to really get into Elite Dangerous, now that it has stabilized somewhat ("matchmaking" server errors not withstanding). As an old school C64 Elite addict from back in 1985, the first thing I wondered when my new CMDR spawned was "why am I at Trevithick Dock, and what happened to Lave?" Then I learned how to use the galaxy map and was relieved to find that Lave and all the familiar systems from the original Elite (Reorte, Zaonce, Tionisla, Diso, Leesti, etc.) are still there. Yay! Visiting those systems would be high on my agenda of course, but first I decided to make the sojourn to Sol - everyone must visit humanity's birthplace, right? And as an early backer, I had a shiny new Sol system permit just burning a hole in my pocket.

5 days, 4 ships, 3 fancy new badges (Scout, Mostly Penniless and Mostly Harmless) and some 150+ lightyears later, I finally reached beloved Lave. How nostalgic it was to see that station again after 30 years! And seeing it in all the glory of modern graphics really gave me a Marty McFly moment (very appropriate, this being the 30 year anniversary of the first Back to the Future movie :)). I thought I'd share a bit of that with the folks here, especially those who may have never seen Lave in the original Elite game. Here are screenshots of then and now (the "then" shot is courtesy of the VICE C64 emulator, since my Commodore 64 is long gone):

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Pretty nice example of what a billion-fold increase in computing power looks like (thank you, Moore's Law)!

Interestingly, I saw a lot of human players in Lave, more than any other system I've visited except for Sol. Presumably they are like me, players from the old '80s Elite seeking home. In retrospect, I think it was a nice decision by FD not to start all players in Lave like before. This way, it remains as kind of a special place for us veterans to go, and for the newbies to discover on their own...

Cheers!
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Interestingly, I saw a lot of human players in Lave, more than any other system I've visited except for Sol. Presumably they are like me, players from the old '80s Elite seeking home. In retrospect, I think it was a nice decision by FD not to start all players in Lave like before. This way, it remains as kind of a special place for us veterans to go, and for the newbies to discover on their own...
Cool pics.
Although the reason for so many human pilots there is likely because of the rare commodity trading. In and around Lave is a hot-spot for rares, which attracts traders and pirates alike! :)
 
Welcome back Commander!

I think spreading players out was more to do with the fact that if everybody started at Lave the station would be so full nobody would ever be able to dock. I have yet to visit most of the familiar systems to me because, well, been there already and I wanted to see what else is out there. I will probably visit Sol in the next day or so because of the RL 5 friends I have that own the game only one is actually playing (the rest are all playing these "console" thingies) and he has no permit so I want to tease him :)
 
I've seen Lave mentioned quite a lot since I woke up in Trevithick a couple of months ago. Never understood why this system, of all, was such a popular place, it even has its own radio show (laveradio.com)! It is just now, reading what you write, that I understand. I wasn't around for Lave in the good old days, I was too young. I had my space pilot's training in Ross 154, Scirocco station, a good eight or nine years later. Never even knew there was a Lave system back then. I thought having a trade and bounty hunter diploma with "Frontier: Elite 2" on it meant I knew what was what. I see now, I was terribly wrong.

Lave veterans, I salute you!

If we ever meet, drinks are on me.
 
OP - look at you and your fancy C64 colours. Spectrum player here. I don't remember it being anything but black and white. Of course that might just be my memory remembering everything from those days as black and white ;)
 
Yep, one of the first places I "had to go to" when I upgraded my ship enough was Lave. Just for old times sake I think it's a pilgrimage that every original player should (and probably will) make.

I started out on the Acorn Electron version of Elite.
 
OP - look at you and your fancy C64 colours. Spectrum player here. I don't remember it being anything but black and white. Of course that might just be my memory remembering everything from those days as black and white ;)

Hi, fellow Spectrum player! Spectrum had colors (all 8 of them, if I remember correctly), but I just never had enough money to get a color monitor. Yep, I remember that home world. Funniest thing is that my son is a certifiable computer geek (now a computer engineering major in college) and I kept telling him several years ago that one of my favorite games was Elite. With other remakes being rolled out, I was complaining that no companies took on remaking Elite. My son is an early backer of the game as a result...
 
Same here, 1984 player on C64 (tape version at start) Now that I bought a decent Cobra Mk III for 1.3M last night, I'm on my way to Lave, some 170 Ly to go, trading and hunting on the way to cover travel expenses and upgrade the ship... :)
 
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I just realized this forum doesn't have a "like" button. :rolleyes: I wanted to give a thumbs-up to all of these posts from you guys - thanks for sharing! :)

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Great post! A lot of us "oldies" must have done the same thing. I played Elite on the BBC Micro (tape version) in '84, then upgraded a few months later to the awesome storage capacity of the disk version. One of the first things I did in Elite: Dangerous was look for Lave and then think "How am I ever going to get that far?". Once I got my Asp I travelled over there and took some screenies (it's not as far as it seems when you have just a Sidewinder). I know exactly what you mean about that feeling of nostalgia, and the station looks just like I used to imagine it all those years ago.
 
OP - look at you and your fancy C64 colours. Spectrum player here. I don't remember it being anything but black and white. Of course that might just be my memory remembering everything from those days as black and white ;)

Not to rub salt in the wound, but my actual computer back then was a C128...80 columns in text mode, woo hoo! :p Of course, 95% of the time I ran it in C64 mode, like all C128 owners did. :)
 
Hi, fellow Spectrum player! Spectrum had colors (all 8 of them, if I remember correctly), but I just never had enough money to get a color monitor. Yep, I remember that home world. Funniest thing is that my son is a certifiable computer geek (now a computer engineering major in college) and I kept telling him several years ago that one of my favorite games was Elite. With other remakes being rolled out, I was complaining that no companies took on remaking Elite. My son is an early backer of the game as a result...

Lol. That's why I remember everything in black and white - had a little b&w portable tv for my spectrum (wasn't allowed to plug I into the big colour one).
I've been wanting someone to remake elite for years, bought a few space games hoping they were going to be the new elite, even downloaded an emulator to have a go a couple of years ago. Really love that they have done it and now I get to see it with modern graphics.
 
Really puts it in perspective when gamers' today complain about jaggies in their game eh?

Thanks for sharing your nostalgia. Now buy a load of Blue Milk from Leesti and trade it 150LY away for big money! (I always think the milk you buy from George Lucus starport is that blue milk from Star Wars - is this just me?)
 
OP - look at you and your fancy C64 colours. Spectrum player here. I don't remember it being anything but black and white. Of course that might just be my memory remembering everything from those days as black and white ;)
Black and white? To me it was all like fifty shades of gr...green! ;) Everything in green on an Amstrad CPC464 with monochrome monitor. :eek:

Right on commanders, see you in and around Lave! :D
 
Yes the new stuff looks a lot better but those games of old with there premier graphics at the time were sure a lot of fun and in many cases more fun than the new games of today that have all look and no substance.
I'm glad they kept the fun in Elite.
 
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