PvP Baiting Griefers

d8veh

d8veh
As you probably know, most of the regular griefers are in Maia at the moment. I took a fully engineered (quite fast) Imperial Eagle down there to give a bit of retribution to any that I saw griefing; however, it was difficult to figure out whether they were behaving themselves or not. As I've been there for a few days, maybe they know that I'm nothing but a nuisance, so they left me alone, and I didn't see any real evidence of their griefing. I couldn't figure out who to deal with, so I hatched a brilliant plan.

I switched accounts and went and got one of my other ships with no weapons and flew it around in supercruise. It didn't take more than a couple of minutes before I got a bite. One of the regulars in a FAS interdicted me, so I let him blow me up (not that I had a choice, but it was expected), which put me back in the station where my Imperial Eagle was waiting in my other account.


Back in my I.I.,I must have interdicted this guy about 10 times before I got " mate!", and I got him many times after that. I've never laughed so much. I could hardly control my ship for laughing. He had absolutely no chance of catching me. I had to fly slow to let him think he had a chance. After a while his mates started interdicting me, which was even better. It was quite exiting being interdicted and chased by as many as four at once of these very experienced PvPers. They hardly landed a shot, though I got blown up once when I boosted into a FAS trying to put some mines in his face. I need to practice that a bit.

I've got 4 accounts at the moment, so plenty more opportunities to bait them. I can also use a different account to attack them because three accounts have all engineers at level 5.

As I said, before, there's more than one way to get retribution. This is much better than going there with a battleship and getting it handed back to you in pieces with a big bill. I've got enough money for 10,000 rebuys, so I should be able to keep going for a while.

Wouldn't it be great if we had a swarm of such ships down there to harass them.
 
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Alex Brentnall

Alex Brentnall
d8veh said:
Wouldn't it be great if we had a swarm of such ships down there to harass them.
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Yes and no. You are very accurate with your last statement i've quoted here. Yes it'd be awesome to have whole wings at hotspots like engineer systems, CGs and similar. I did so for a short while way back in 2.1 era. The issue is if you or a group deliberately target an individual or group with the intent on doing nothing except ruining their game you leave yourself open to being reported.
The same way if someone hunts and kills the same player over and over if you hunt and annoy the same player over and over they can file a harassment complaint with Frontier.


Now, if you have evidence (gamelogs, shadowplay whatever) that shows you and your group operate in X system, or at all CGs or whatever and target opponents for a reason (say they have an FSD interdictor equipped) then there's an arguement for it being fair game.
E.g. if the logs for example show you interdicted 90 different players and caught the same one 10 times non-sequentially then it's clear that there's no case.
But if the logs show you picking specifically on one player or one wing over a prolonged period ignoring other targets you may find yourself in trouble.


That being said, yes it's good fun and I seem to recall when I did it I got in a conversation at a station with one of the people I interdicted (who was wanted at the time in the CG system). I will never forget the amount of expletives I got in response to me saying: "There's always Solo mode if you don't want to deal with other players". I still chuckle to myself just remembering it.
 
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Rafe Zetter

Banned
Rafe Zetter
Alex Brentnall said:
Yes and no. You are very accurate with your last statement i've quoted here. Yes it'd be awesome to have whole wings at hotspots like engineer systems, CGs and similar. I did so for a short while way back in 2.1 era. The issue is if you or a group deliberately target an individual or group with the intent on doing nothing except ruining their game you leave yourself open to being reported.
The same way if someone hunts and kills the same player over and over if you hunt and annoy the same player over and over they can file a harassment complaint with Frontier.


Now, if you have evidence (gamelogs, shadowplay whatever) that shows you and your group operate in X system, or at all CGs or whatever and target opponents for a reason (say they have an FSD interdictor equipped) then there's an arguement for it being fair game.
E.g. if the logs for example show you interdicted 90 different players and caught the same one 10 times non-sequentially then it's clear that there's no case.
But if the logs show you picking specifically on one player or one wing over a prolonged period ignoring other targets you may find yourself in trouble.


That being said, yes it's good fun and I seem to recall when I did it I got in a conversation at a station with one of the people I interdicted (who was wanted at the time in the CG system). I will never forget the amount of expletives I got in response to me saying: "There's always Solo mode if you don't want to deal with other players". I still chuckle to myself just remembering it.
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Lets hope the notoriety sytem will go some way to allowing you to reverse grief as you suggest in your OP without negative consequences to yourself...

FDev take note.

Almost makes me want to join in.
 

frostypaw

frostypaw
Alex Brentnall said:
The issue is if you or a group deliberately target an individual or group with the intent on doing nothing except ruining their game you leave yourself open to being reported.
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Apparently blockading is ok. I can't imagine why doing a griefer blockade in an eagle wouldn't be OK - it's emergent gameplay. Just go don't chasing them back home when they give up and you're golden - unless of course you're really a ieagle sporting griefer bounty hunter in which case that's more than fine - it's emergent gameplay.
 

seko

seko
d8veh said:
As you probably know, most of the regular griefers are in Maia at the moment. I took a fully engineered (quite fast) Imperial Eagle down there to give a bit of retribution to any that I saw griefing; however, it was difficult to figure out whether they were behaving themselves or not. As I've been there for a few days, maybe they know that I'm nothing but a nuisance, so they left me alone, and I didn't see any real evidence of their griefing. I couldn't figure out who to deal with, so I hatched a brilliant plan.

I switched accounts and went and got one of my other ships with no weapons and flew it around in supercruise. It didn't take more than a couple of minutes before I got a bite. One of the regulars in a FAS interdicted me, so I let him blow me up (not that I had a choice, but it was expected), which put me back in the station where my Imperial Eagle was waiting in my other account.


Back in my I.I.,I must have interdicted this guy about 10 times before I got " mate!", and I got him many times after that. I've never laughed so much. I could hardly control my ship for laughing. He had absolutely no chance of catching me. I had to fly slow to let him think he had a chance. After a while his mates started interdicting me, which was even better. It was quite exiting being interdicted and chased by as many as four at once of these very experienced PvPers. They hardly landed a shot, though I got blown up once when I boosted into a FAS trying to put some mines in his face. I need to practice that a bit.

I've got 4 accounts at the moment, so plenty more opportunities to bait them. I can also use a different account to attack them because three accounts have all engineers at level 5.

As I said, before, there's more than one way to get retribution. This is much better than going there with a battleship and getting it handed back to you in pieces with a big bill. I've got enough money for 10,000 rebuys, so I should be able to keep going for a while.

Wouldn't it be great if we had a swarm of such ships down there to harass them.
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and I'm doing the same as you, but with no weapons, just taunting, as I have a high boost, what;s your weapons do you have :D
I've got a courier
 

seko

seko
Alex Brentnall said:
Yes and no. You are very accurate with your last statement i've quoted here. Yes it'd be awesome to have whole wings at hotspots like engineer systems, CGs and similar. I did so for a short while way back in 2.1 era. The issue is if you or a group deliberately target an individual or group with the intent on doing nothing except ruining their game you leave yourself open to being reported.
The same way if someone hunts and kills the same player over and over if you hunt and annoy the same player over and over they can file a harassment complaint with Frontier.


Now, if you have evidence (gamelogs, shadowplay whatever) that shows you and your group operate in X system, or at all CGs or whatever and target opponents for a reason (say they have an FSD interdictor equipped) then there's an arguement for it being fair game.
E.g. if the logs for example show you interdicted 90 different players and caught the same one 10 times non-sequentially then it's clear that there's no case.
But if the logs show you picking specifically on one player or one wing over a prolonged period ignoring other targets you may find yourself in trouble.


That being said, yes it's good fun and I seem to recall when I did it I got in a conversation at a station with one of the people I interdicted (who was wanted at the time in the CG system). I will never forget the amount of expletives I got in response to me saying: "There's always Solo mode if you don't want to deal with other players". I still chuckle to myself just remembering it.
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surely griefing the griefers, is fair play
 

wolfcall

W
Alex Brentnall said:
Yes and no. You are very accurate with your last statement i've quoted here. Yes it'd be awesome to have whole wings at hotspots like engineer systems, CGs and similar. I did so for a short while way back in 2.1 era. The issue is if you or a group deliberately target an individual or group with the intent on doing nothing except ruining their game you leave yourself open to being reported.
The same way if someone hunts and kills the same player over and over if you hunt and annoy the same player over and over they can file a harassment complaint with Frontier.


Now, if you have evidence (gamelogs, shadowplay whatever) that shows you and your group operate in X system, or at all CGs or whatever and target opponents for a reason (say they have an FSD interdictor equipped) then there's an arguement for it being fair game.
E.g. if the logs for example show you interdicted 90 different players and caught the same one 10 times non-sequentially then it's clear that there's no case.
But if the logs show you picking specifically on one player or one wing over a prolonged period ignoring other targets you may find yourself in trouble.


That being said, yes it's good fun and I seem to recall when I did it I got in a conversation at a station with one of the people I interdicted (who was wanted at the time in the CG system). I will never forget the amount of expletives I got in response to me saying: "There's always Solo mode if you don't want to deal with other players". I still chuckle to myself just remembering it.
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There is an arguement that even if he is targetting one player or group over and over, he is just trying to get the guy to leave the system so that new players are safe. That said I agree attacking everyone with interdictors and are wanted go for it but if the are in a clean state leave them alone. You have to wait for them to be a criminal or it becomes harassment.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
I used to particularly enjoy interdicting Wanted murder-hobos at CGs in my Viper, boosting out of range and then throttling back just enough to let them think they have a chance of catching up. :D

My "rule" is that I never jump back into SC first so the "chase" goes on for as long as the other CMDR is willing.
I had one guy following me for almost 15 minutes before finally giving up. :p
 

Alex Brentnall

Alex Brentnall
More or less a response to everyone that replied to me :) : As always it's about context. Zac or Ed or someone did a post about it ages ago. If you go out of your way to bother one person or group specifically it can be construed as harassment. Things like invading PGs, picking on a single player or wing, attacking a livestreamer repeatedly etc.

Griefing/PvP/random attacking in itself whilst annoying is not harassment, that was made clear by FDev after the post made by FDev. The thing that seems to be the deciding factor is repetition and singling people out.

Attacking random targets at a CG - Not harassment. Spawn-camping outside a station and attacking one specific player over and over again whilst ignoring all others - Is harassment. Repeatedly flying through multiple systems to chase and attack one specific player - is harassment.
Similarly: Interdicting combat ships at CG systems - Not harassment. Interdicting the same combat ship over and over whilst ignoring others - Is harassment.

In the end it also depends on the victim and if they wish to report or not. And then FDev to review and judge if action is required. All done on case by case basis apparently.


It's all about what seems fair and reasonable. By playing open you are welcoming all interaction, good, bad and ugly. Griefing is in the game, it will be made much less desirable with C&P and Karma but in terms of the game rules, lore, EULA, TOS whatever etc they've done nothing wrong even if it is (to paraphrase Sandro) not good for the health of the game long term.

Gotta have same rules for everyone.

Short answer is don't pick the same target over and over. Variety is the spice of life and all :D
 

vindicator jones

vindicator jones
Another fun thing to do is interdict them repeatedly, then do a roadrunner noise, hit boost on my 700 m/s ieagle as you watch them call you names in chat..... let them get back into supercruise, rinse and repeat.... they soon depart the C/G

I havent done that in a long time.. I might have to give it another whirl..
 

lokvette

lokvette
seko said:
surely griefing the griefers, is fair play
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Well the OP gave me a laugh, and it seems odd that someone who clubs seals can then flip it on somone who is just indictinting then and showing the midle finger as he burns off, but have to agree with Alex, dont do it to the same person over and over as they are the sort who would go running to FD about how somone is spoiling thier game even tho they do it to so many others....

Makes a change from the "i just got blown up but I was in open at a CG" and there after the posts about us solo players being the snowflakes we are etc etc.
 
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Arthur Shappey

Arthur Shappey
It would be "nice" with the new Wing Missions in Beyond 3.0 - if there were a parallel community goal where players in wings could sign up to a Community Goal Police force and would get messages [from the Crime Reported functionality] whenever another player was attacked, be able to track them an save them.

BUT - we all know the griefers would sign up for this goal an pervert it...

Perhaps this won't be a problem in 3.0 with the new notoriety setting? In a way, that is a pity. As I prefer the personal approach taken by the OP.
 

jasonbirder

J
I find it very hard to believe Frontier would show any interest in Player Interdiction's...given the existence of a "Block" Function the idea that they need to intervene like a parent with two naughty children squabbling seems "moot"
Seems they'd take an identical stance to that over "Combat Logging" - IE Politely ignoring it, as frankly...getting involved in trivia between players (rightly) is none of their business...
Genuinely can you REALLY imagine a grown up...with a Job..at a Company...interrogating Game-logs to review "in-Play" activities....
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
"Yeh I went up to the bully, then I smacked him right in his chops, haha, then I ran around the playground faster than him until he eventually caught me and beat me up, but it was great! I'm going to do it again! I've still got...1, 2, 3... 17 teeth left!"
 
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Range Roger

Range Roger
OP

Excellent post. Have some rep.

I also have 4 accounts and a very fast engineered Imperial Courier.

I would love to join you out there in Maia. However, due to personal commitments I can't make it out there until the weekend.
 
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