Hardware & Technical Be aware, very aware, of the M$ Autumn Update

[Wasp0]

Yes i know it's 'Fall Update', but here in jolly ole UK, its Flippin 'AUTUMN' !!

So anyhows onto that debacle that M$ (Microsoft) calls an Update/Upgrade. Be Aware it wrecked my Audio settings using Voicemeeter, wrecked my Graphics (Turn Game DVR off to fix), wrecked my Pro 52 settings (The Clutch Mode syndrome), wrecked my TrackIR, wrecked my EDDI.

Yes all recoverable, but spent 3 hours chasing down the issue with Voicemeeter, from re-installs to shouting threats at the screen. It renamed all my input devices associated with Voicemeeter.

Just be aware when you get forced into this downgrade, it might wreck some of your valuable Elite Game time as you try to resurrect your PC

Thanks M$, you are just pure unadulterated Biowaste!

 

[Phazon Xenomorph]

I just don't get Microsoft.

Windows 95, 98, XP, and 7 were just knockouts that dominated and ran well (sometimes needed a controversial service pack to fix bugs but mostly worked).... but then 2000, Vista, 8, and now 10 are just utter failures that have way too numerous issues. I swear if I am forced to upgrade to 10 (since MS said they plan to not support new hardware on anything other than 10) I'm gonna get damn Enterprise edition as a consumer through some 'shady' (yar har mateys!) methods. Because only Enterprise edition seems to let you block updates as well as outright disable all telemetry data collection (thanks to businesses screaming at Microsoft about their customers security) without the use of third party programs and registry edits.

10 has been such an abysmal failure of an OS and the only reason it looks strong is because it's forced onto everyone.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

I just don't get Microsoft.

Windows 95, 98, XP, and 7 were just knockouts that dominated and ran well (sometimes needed a controversial service pack to fix bugs but mostly worked).... but then 2000, Vista, 8, and now 10 are just utter failures that have way too numerous issues. I swear if I am forced to upgrade to 10 (since MS said they plan to not support new hardware on anything other than 10) I'm gonna get damn Enterprise edition as a consumer through some 'shady' (yar har mateys!) methods. Because only Enterprise edition seems to let you block updates as well as outright disable all telemetry data collection (thanks to businesses screaming at Microsoft about their customers security) without the use of third party programs and registry edits.

10 has been such an abysmal failure of an OS and the only reason it looks strong is because it's forced onto everyone.

My experience is a bit different:
95 was horrible.
98 was ok for the time.
XP started horrible but got much, much better.
2000 was superb
Vista was awful ("You have moved the mouse - Windows must now restart to reflect this change")
7 was Vista done right.
8 didn't know what it was.
10, so far for me, is fine.

 

[Shadowdancer]

I had no real issues with Voicemeeter and TrackIR over the update.

Audio device default selections going AWOL is obnoxious though, I guess that's because the feature updates are effectively fresh OS installations and the devices are re-discovered.

(Also, "M$"? Really? It's not the 90s any more, what's next, Fa¢ebook or Goog£e?)

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

I have a business client of mine who can no longer run their rather large and complex spreadsheets which update thousands of product prices and stock levels from CSV files from various product vendors, because a recent update to Office 365 has broken something to do with linked CSV files. :/

 

[RidingTheFlow]

Yeah, been aware of that, and yeah, stay away from Fail Creators Update if you value your sanity.
I’ve switched feature updates off before first Creators Update (luckily I have Pro, so still on Anniversary here)
In the future looks like will have to get Enterprise LTSB somehow to prevent unavoidable forced upgrading.

Shame that MS seem to be totally losing it. Mandatory bi-yearly upgrade cycle? Using users as alpha testers (and then ignoring their feedback)? What madness is that?

 

[Shadowdancer]

My experience is a bit different:
95 was horrible.
98 was ok for the time.
XP started horrible but got much, much better.
2000 was superb
Vista was awful ("You have moved the mouse - Windows must now restart to reflect this change")
7 was Vista done right.
8 didn't know what it was.
10, so far for me, is fine.

You forgot Me (unmitigated garbage fire), apart from that the only part I disagree is with XP getting better; I ended up using Win2k pretty much all the way until 7, and moved "productive computing" to Linux on the Desktop for that entire period.

(addendum) Come to think of it, I've seen several compatibility lists for Microsoft software that omitted mentioning Me and Vista, while still listing both older and younger versions in the series

10 has some extremely stupid UI design decisions and could still do a tad better in communicating its privacy settings, but otherwise it's pretty darn good.

 

[bootsam]

You forgot Windows ME & Windows SE which were such a bag of the proverbial that Ive forgotten the year. 98 i think. Prob erased it from my memory to protect myself from nightmares.

Generally Win10 is okayish apart from the privacy. XP was best for me. But I only use a pc for gaming.

^ninja'd

 

[Wasp0]

I had no real issues with Voicemeeter and TrackIR over the update.

Audio device default selections going AWOL is obnoxious though, I guess that's because the feature updates are effectively fresh OS installations and the devices are re-discovered.

(Also, "M$"? Really? It's not the 90s any more, what's next, Fa¢ebook or Goog£e?)

Yes, Really M$ (means More Money) and that equates to Microsoft as you are always paying them MORE DAMN MONEY. Don't rile me up on M$, as at the moment i am very delicate, and having 3 coffees with extra shots just to calm down.

Sorry, you might guess i am wrankled

 

[znôrt]

10 has been such an abysmal failure of an OS and the only reason it looks strong is because it's forced onto everyone.

not going to argue the other points but, ironically, that's exactly one of it's strongests points: non-mandatory windows updates has probably been security hazard #1 on the global network ...

os is like democracy: if it's aimed at illiterate users, you just can't let them decide squat.

 

[Shadowdancer]

Shame that MS seem to be totally losing it. Mandatory bi-yearly upgrade cycle? What madness is that?

Games: "Waaaaaah! You haven't had a free update in at least TWO WEEKS! It's a scandal, I demand restitution!"
Windows: "What kind of bullhonkey is this, a free update roughly twice a year?"
macOS: "We obey."

 

[Zieman]

not going to argue the other points but, ironically, that's exactly one of it's strongests points: non-mandatory windows updates has probably been security hazard #1 on the global network ...

os is like democracy: if it's aimed at illiterate users, you just can't let them decide squat.

Security updates being mandatory I understand.
But pushing unnecessary extra fluff that breaks previous functionality I don't get, it's pure malice or at least incompetence.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

BTW if anyone interested, horrible issues with gaming are the direct result of some controversial "new features" which were spotted in early adopter branches - and quickly reported. Also both NVidia and AMD people raised concerns about it ages ago. Guess what? Microsoft totally ignored it and pushed with release anyway.

They seem to be more concerned with "monetising" these days than actually making money from OS sales.

 

[Uvelius Sång]

Well it's not as M$ (yes indeed, that is a well-earned $ there) would need to give a damn about the opinions of users. That's one of the fine advantages of holding a de-facto monopoly. So why should they listen? It would only make the shareholders go mad. And we know who is more important, do we.
Also, Apple-style Great Feature In Front Of Big Shiny Screens Facing Cheering Fans announcements are so more popular. It has always been Smoke and Mirrors time, but we are about to reach the stage of burning houses for smoke and mercury seas for mirrors.
In short: Auto-Updates are the biggest nuisance since someone coded that ... something called Vista (anyone remembering Longhorn?).

:S Anyway, back to non-ranting mode, does anyone know whether the issues with that bigger update during summer (Creator's Update or whatever they've called it) are resolved? My Win 10 pro pesters me with "I wanna wanna upgrade purrrleeease" messages, and some software engineers actually decided that you cannot upgrade their software if Windows is "waiting" for an upgrade.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

Anyway, back to non-ranting mode, anyone knows whether the issues with that bigger update during summer (Creator's Update or whatever they've called it) are resolved? My Win 10 pro pesters me with "I wanna wanna upgrade purrrleeease" messages, and some software enigneers actually decided that you cannot upgrade their software if Windows is "waiting" for an upgrade.

I think *most* of them resolved, but Anniversary Update is still the best problem-free.

Since you have Pro (like me), you don't need to switch off updates completely. Just use Group Policy to set "feature upgrade postponement" to maximum time period (it was at least several months) - then you can reboot and re-enable the updates. It will only update security without trying to upgrade whole OS anymore.

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/set-period-defer-upgrades-updates-windows-10

 

[FoxTwo]

Honestly, nothing broke when the Fall Update got pushed to my PCs - both of them. Everything worked. "Clutch" mode yes, but I already expected that when suddenly it's "installing drivers" for my X52 again. So I was expecting things to revert back to factory, and they did. Not a big deal, just went to the correct screen and turned the clutch thing off again. The other thing that "broke" was that I had to reinstall Xbox 360 peripheral drivers again so my Logitech F710 can work again.

I wouldn't call both of these as being big problems.

 

[CMDR Ahab]

My experience is a bit different:
95 was horrible.
98 was ok for the time.
XP started horrible but got much, much better.
2000 was superb
Vista was awful ("You have moved the mouse - Windows must now restart to reflect this change")
7 was Vista done right.
8 didn't know what it was.
10, so far for me, is fine.

Er, you forgot about 3.1 (good for running office apps) and ME (Barf!!)

EDIT: I've made the mistake of installing the fall update myself, and Windows 10 has changed from being a good OS to a horrendously unstable one.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

EDIT: I've made the mistake of installing the fall update myself, and Windows 10 has changed from being a good OS to a horrendously unstable one.

It's possible to roll it back (uninstall). But better to do it sooner then later.

 

[Wasp0]

Er, you forgot about 3.1 (good for running office apps) and ME (Barf!!)

EDIT: I've made the mistake of installing the fall update myself, and Windows 10 has changed from being a good OS to a horrendously unstable one.

being pedantic, also missing is......


Windows 1.01
Windows 1.02
Windows 1.03
Windows 1.04
Windows 2.03
Windows 2.10
Windows 2.11
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows NT 3.1
Windows 3.11 for workgroups
Windows 3.2
Windows NT 3.5 workstation
Windows NT 3.51 workstation
Windows NT 4 Workstation

 

[Morbad]

Windows 95, 98, XP, and 7 were just knockouts that dominated and ran well (sometimes needed a controversial service pack to fix bugs but mostly worked).... but then 2000, Vista, 8, and now 10 are just utter failures

Windows 95 was pretty rough early on and a bunch of stuff didn't work right until OSR2 or beyond.

Windows 2000 was/is great. It's functionally identical to XP for 99.9% of uses, but has a smaller disk and memory footprint. Are you sure you weren't thinking of Windows ME?

Windows 3.11 for workgroups

Windows for Workgroups was an expansion for Windows 3.0 and was then sold as an integrated product in WFW 3.1 (distinct from 3.1) and 3.11.

The first Windows PC I personally owned used WFW 3.11. I was pretty happy with it, as far as pre-NT based Windows goes.