Best way to run ed with dk2 on 22/12/15 : 0.5 or 0.8? nvidia user win 10

Pezou · Dec 22, 2015

Hello guys,

I didn't play ed for months (i had an r9 290 back then). I want to try vr again since i get a new gc (980ti). Can someone tell me the best way to play ED (and horizons) at current time? I'm using win 10, i will install 0.8 and runtime switcher but i don't know what to use to get the best performances (runtime and nvidia drivers).

Thanks

Pezou · Dec 23, 2015

Up, nobody can tell me wich runtime is the best for ed?

CylonSurfer · Dec 23, 2015

Pezou said:
Up, nobody can tell me wich runtime is the best for ed?

There are countless threads about this subject right here already.... Officially Elite Dangerous / Frontier only support Oculus Runtime 0.5 at this time.

Pezou · Dec 23, 2015

Thanks for your reply, but i already know that official support is only for 0.5.
I ask what runtime and what method is the best experience, not wich one is supported by frontier (it's different). We have countless post of people saying they're having their best experience ever with 0.8 and steamvr, others saying it's bad. So i'm trying to get an awnser on this from someone who tried both since many people asked and nobody responded clearly (wasn't looking for the official "bot" awnser but thanks anyway).

CylonSurfer · Dec 23, 2015

Pezou said:
Thanks for your reply, but i already know that official support is only for 0.5.
I ask what runtime and what method is the best experience, not wich one is supported by frontier (it's different). We have countless post of people saying they're having their best experience ever with 0.8 and steamvr, others saying it's bad. So i'm trying to get an awnser on this from someone who tried both since many people asked and nobody responded clearly (wasn't looking for the official "bot" awnser but thanks anyway).

It's not a bot answer, and likely the best you will get. Runtime 0.5 is the only supported run time and as such provides the best experience at this time. SteamVR / Runtime 0.8 is not supported and may introduce bugs, performance issues or just stop working entirely at the drop of a hat.... If you consider the later acceptable and I guess that's up to you, give it a try. It's certainly is not my definition of whats the best.

For any other information why don't you check out one of the countless other threads regarding this subject. You won't find a definitive answer and I'm sure there is nothing stopping you testing both methods on your machine to see which works best for you any way.

Pezou · Dec 23, 2015

CylonSurfer said:
It's not a bot answer, and likely best you will get. Runtime 0.5 is the only supported run time and as such provides the best experience at this time. SteamVR / Runtime 0.8 is not supported and may introduce bugs, performance issues or just stop working entirely at the drop of a hat.... If you consider the later acceptable and I guess that's up to you, but it's certainly is not my definition of whats the best.

Thanks for the awnser. Did you try 0.8 with dk2? If you tried both runtime, your awnser is what i needed and i thank you for that (only if you tried both, otherwise sorry but it's useless). For me, the best experience would be the experience with minimum stutter (to schematize, best experience = experience with more fps). If you tried 0.8 and told me that you get more fps in 0.5, then that is what i'm looking for. "Being supported" or "may introduce bugs" is not the awnser i need. Of course, i know what means "officialy supported" (doesn't mean it's smoother).

Regarding the first part of your post, i already looked those threads and there is no clear awnser. I already ask the same question in another thread and nobody responded. There is many people asking for the same thing, and i didn't see any clear response yet, so yes, i had to create a thread. I just want to find someone who actually tried both.

CylonSurfer · Dec 23, 2015

Pezou, most of us are using different hardware, different displays, all kinds of equipment and configurations that you may not be. What works for me may not work well for you and vice versa. If you want an answer to your question then the only real way to find it is to try it for yourself.

The threads in this forum will only tell you what a posters experience is / was with his or hers particular configuration. As you have seen for yourself, some posters say that 0.8 and steam VR is the best thing since sliced bread. Others will say it's the worst performance since the gamma. Some will convince themselves that there is a performance increase even if in reality there is not... Others cannot get it to work at all. The only way you will know for sure is if you try it and benchmark your tests with software or against your prior experiences.

That aside, the best way to run the game in VR is the supported way - 0.5 in extended mode. Will that give your higher FPS? Who knows, there is no clear answer at this time. Will Elite / 0.8 / SteamVR still work this time next week? Who knows.

But please, lets not keep having new 0.8 / SteamVR threads when there are ample you can post and ask your question in already.

Pezou · Dec 23, 2015

Sure, I know that every configuration is different but i could use an indication; that's why i gave some precision: win 10, nvidia user (980 ti as i said).
The thing is, because i can't find my awnser, i opened a post to find someone who can share his experience. For example, if someone tells me he has better perf with 0.5 than with 0.8, it would be a start (but i didn't see it for now). If nobody can give me an awnser, i'll try for myself and i'll post my results here. So if someone has the same config as me (good nvidia card + win 10), he won't have to create a new thread for it because he will find mine and i'll try to give the most accurate awnser.

Bosh-Rah · Dec 23, 2015

I'm running a similar setup - GTX 980 laptop on Windows 10 and I just got hold of a used DK2 so sorry for the noob questions. I think I've figured out the problem I'm having is that ED requires Oculus 0.5 runtime and that Windows 10 requires 0.7 runtime so I'm unable to get the 0.5 runtime working on Windows 10. My question is do I rollback to Windows 8 or Windows 7 to get the 0.5 runtime working? Many thanks.

arhoos · Dec 23, 2015

I have a similar situation, but last night i found the answer:

Win10
GTX 980ti (latest drivers)
Oculus Runtime 5.0.1 (ignore the error message)

Works great-
Other runtimes does not work for me.

I also used a r9270 and the performance is outstanding now: all graphics in high, supersampling at 1,5 and no judder at all.
Hope it works for you...

Soda Popinski · Dec 23, 2015

I tried to figure it myself, but couldn't get my monitor to do 75hz, so 0.8 was crap. I might try again with the new driver.

THE BLOB · Dec 23, 2015

I've used 0.5 /0.6/and 0.8 with steam vr and they all work some better than others on different machines. My personal choice is 0.6 with ED it works very smoothly at 75 fps inside stations and around in space. I haven't tried the official horizons release only beta but wasn't impressed with performance on and around planets will wait for better experience next year. But my 970 4g and i5 4690k works a treat with 0.6 on max settings

All I can say is try them all work out which is best for you trial and error I'm afraid best of luck hope you find one that works

Rob

Windows 10
Latest nvidia drivers had no problem with the last 3 driver versions
The rest is above
I run 0.6 in compatibility mode. Turn off the rift run the shortcut and turn on the rift works a treat

There is a better explanation on the forum on what to do if you haven't already seen it
That is my personal choice that works best for me

cherbert · Dec 23, 2015

My experience is that 0.8 with Steam VR is the most superior experience. Silky smooth (Apart from the current FPS bug with Terrain Detail near planets).

The only caveat is you need a monitor that has either 75fps or can be forced into a 75fps resolution otherwise you will get stutter inside VR.

CylonSurfer · Dec 23, 2015

Pezou, do you now see what you have done? Another thread that is exactly the same as the other 7 or more, with the same comments, answers and replies.... No closer to the answer you seek and a massive mess... One person says one thing, another the opposite, none providing any evidence of improvements or the lack there of. I mean look at the comment above "Silky smooth (Apart from the current FPS bug with Terrain Detail near planets)." - funny, I get the same on 0.5 so does cherbert get better performance, has he measured it? Or is it as "The BLOB" says and 0.6 works better?

Maybe someone should open a new thread and ask which is actually the best....

Mods, please come clean up this mess, merge the threads or lock them. There are dozens of 0.8 / SteamVR threads now and it's really beyond a joke.

THE BLOB · Dec 23, 2015

CylonSurfer said:
Pezou, do you now see what you have done? Another thread that is exactly the same as the other 7 or more, with the same comments, answers and replies.... No closer to the answer you seek and a massive mess... One person says one thing, another the opposite, none providing any evidence of improvements or the lack there of. I mean look at the comment above "Silky smooth (Apart from the current FPS bug with Terrain Detail near planets)." - funny, I get the same on 0.5 so does cherbert get better performance, has he measured it? Or is it as "The BLOB" says and 0.6 works better?

Maybe someone should open a new thread and ask which is actually the best....

Mods, please come clean up this mess, merge the threads or lock them. There are dozens of 0.8 / SteamVR threads now and it's really beyond a joke.

As things stand its what works best for you and your system until final consumer release and even after that things won't be clear cut system wise. But you are right about one thing this question has been asked lots of times and people still have no def answer personal preference

Pezou · Dec 23, 2015

Thanks arhoos, i'll try 0,5.0.1 first since you have similar config to mine.

Cylonsurfer, i just see that i'm having some good awnsers wich make my choice easier (even if you don't appreciate it, sorry about that). About cherbert, he didn't say he was getting better performance than you, he said he was getting better performance using 0.8 than 0.5, for him. That's why we should all detail our configuration and our results, or it won't be pertinent.

Guys, could you edit your posts giving your config: os, gc, driver version, monitor (60hz / true 1080p 75hz / lowres 75hz), steamvr installed or not (running or not too), and finally: better runtime in your opinion?
Thanks.

arhoos · Dec 23, 2015

My new rig (still configurating)

I7 6700K @ 4,4Ghz + Enermax Liqmax II 240 cooler
32 Gb DDR4 @ 2400
MB MSI Z140A Gaming Pro
MSI Gtx 980ti
Win 10 Home 64b
Fit in a Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 High Airflow

(COOOOL)

Steam VR: No
Monitor: Hisense 50' (4K 60Hz). Obviously, when start the occulus, resolution changes to 1080p 60Hz
Latest nvidia drivers (361.43)

PS:
HDMI to the monitor
DMI adapter to HDMI to the occulus

Better runtime ??? 0.5.0.1 because it works!

Pezou · Dec 23, 2015

Thanks arhoos, i just installed 0.5.1 and i'm tryin elite now.
Ok, it seems to work pretty great without any kind of optimisation for now; no judder at all, even in supercruise or in extraction site (except for station, i had some judder after docking and getting inside the first one i visited). I'll edit after further tests.

My config:
I 3570K + 16 gb DDR3 + gtx 980ti + win 10 pro 64bits + no steamvr (not installed)+ 120hz native first monitor (set in 75hz) + last nvidia driver + sdk and runtime 0.5.1 (dvi to monitor + hdmi to oculus).