Better HUD and fire control.

[Jimmy Joe]

Hello
I would like to suggest better implementation of the HUD information. As it stands the vital information is scattered all over the place. For example In the heat of the battle the human eye is focus on the target, it's very unnatural to look down at the heat levels where the radar is located. Yeah we have voice warnings, but I prefer to manage heat visually..Why not move the heat indicator where it would be easily visible. Say small arc next to the target with temp gage level. Also please ad tertiary fire key. And if possible allow players to customize the HUD.
Thank you.

 

[kubility]

more option is better but you can always press shift key (considering u have pc) and see the heat gauge even in combat

 

[Jimmy Joe]

more option is better but you can always press shift key (considering u have pc) and see the heat gauge even in combat

My point was I shouldn't be pressing anything, the combat ship needs to have two modes, combat and flight mode. In the combat mode vital info such as targeting, speed and heading, heat levels must be in the right place of the HUD. Having two modes will give the player best of both worlds. What I'm saying is that we need a militarily class hud... https://bsvcflightschool.com/2015/03/09/advanced-hud-the-itts-and-targeting-in-star-citizen/
Also it would be nice to to give us ability to change the colors of your hud within the game...if of old games like freespace can do it why can't elite...

 

[Lestat]

You have to look at the radar when you do combat with other ships. So you don't accidentally attack other ships The Heat guide is right next to it. Another trick is learn to use time as a guide. If you know if you shoot 5 seconds and you over heat. Then learn to stop at 4 seconds.

Also Laser weapons have a heat gauge. Which can tell you if your getting close to hot. Use it. Also don't use all your weapons at once. That can also cause heat issues.

 

[Jimmy Joe]

You have to look at the radar when you do combat with other ships. So you don't accidentally attack other ships The Heat guide is right next to it. Another trick is learn to use time as a guide. If you know if you shoot 5 seconds and you over heat. Then learn to stop at 4 seconds.

Also Laser weapons have a heat gauge. Which can tell you if your getting close to hot. Use it. Also don't use all your weapons at once. That can also cause heat issues.

Thanks, but I'm not looking for lessons tips or tricks in how to dogfight, nor do I lack of underspending what cases the heat and how to mange it. I been playing this game for a very long time mind you. Besides my fighting style in not your fighting style... A energy weapons are not heat gages, they are there to show capacity and heat overload. The main heat level gauge is essential part as not only your weapons cause the heat but also the enemy ship can inflict heat damage as well. What I'm saying is that the main heat level gage has to be placed in the visible view. A small arc with heat gage is a better solution since it would be closer to target and not next to radar where is don't belong.
A combat ship needs properly made HUD, so the pilot doesn't waste time on unnecessary things. Just giving my opinion on HUD layout witch is in need of attention IMO

 

[Lestat]

See this is not like other combat sims that cater to players that want everything in the hub. Those games work great on desktops or console. But when players like me who play on Laptop that are 13 17 inch screen. Having the Hub clutter is a major issue. We would not see our target. All we see is Clutter and not the battle.

We also have to know. Frontier dose not everything right in front of you when it could make the game too easy. They want us to work. All the last 3 Elite games dose not have the Hub clutter that what make this game great.

 

[Jimmy Joe]

Then get yourself a proper monitor. It's like complaining about not having proper video card to handle the game... buy the correct equipment for the right job. Don't confuse poorly layout hud with clutter....

 

[Lestat]

If everything was move to the Canopy and I still fighting with a blown Canopy which I do sometimes when attacking 2 or 3 npc and the heat management was move on the Canopy. How do I check my Temps? At least now I can see it at a glance. Even if the Canopy is blown. We don't need 2 listing of everything. That will just confuse new players. It also clutter the game.

Then get yourself a proper monitor. It's like complaining about not having proper video card to handle the game... buy the correct equipment for the right job. Don't confuse poorly layout hud with clutter....

You know Game spec has no bearing on what screen size I use to play on. It is not for you to say is right or wrong. In your words proper. But when someone says. hay I want to clutter the screen and when someone point out a issue for some players who use smaller screens. You get some one saying buy a Proper Monitor. That rude. That like if we both had Dogs you had Chihuahua very tiny dog and I had a German Shepard and I tell you get a proper dog don't you feel that would be a insulting.

Face this fact not everyone has a Man cave or live in a large house. Some live in small one room apartments and space could be a issue for some players. Some people went so far to Stream Elite Dangerous on a tablet. It not for us to say that proper or not. But it has help everyone.

 

[Jimmy Joe]

If everything was move to the Canopy and I still fighting with a blown Canopy which I do sometimes when attacking 2 or 3 npc and the heat management was move on the Canopy. How do I check my Temps? At least now I can see it at a glance. Even if the Canopy is blown. We don't need 2 listing of everything. That will just confuse new players. It also clutter the game.



You know Game spec has no bearing on what screen size I use to play on. It is not for you to say is right or wrong. In your words proper. But when someone says. hay I want to clutter the screen and when someone point out a issue for some players who use smaller screens. You get some one saying buy a Proper Monitor. That rude. That like if we both had Dogs you had Chihuahua very tiny dog and I had a German Shepard and I tell you get a proper dog don't you feel that would be a insulting.

Face this fact not everyone has a Man cave or live in a large house. Some live in small one room apartments and space could be a issue for some players. Some people went so far to Stream Elite Dangerous on a tablet. It not for us to say that proper or not. But it has help everyone.

Interesting, you claim that FD does not cater to players yet YOU expect them to cater to players with small screens... And yeah because the game is not free to play I fully expend support. LOl so we should stop all the progress because some people can't have better things. You really comparing animal size to a monitor size? No wonder my post flew over your head.

BTW FYI I own a Pomeranian yeah really..guess I should get Alaskan malamute...yeah, my feelings are hurt now lol

Again you clearly confused. I'm not asking to have two things on the screen at once. I 'm saying PROPER placement and better deign. Besides when canopy is blown it would make it harder four players. Is it what FD stands for? Not making game easy. Again as a combat ship vital info has to be displayed at the right time and proper location. Not having same info displayed twice...And yes to play at 4k you need proper monitor and hardware that can handle it...and you need to come to grips that not everyone must become poor and stop progress simply because you can't have it.

 

[Lestat]

Interesting, you claim that FD does not cater to players yet YOU expect them to cater to players with small screens... And yeah because the game is not free to play I fully expend support. LOl so we should stop all the progress because some people can't have better things. You really comparing animal size to anonymous objects? No wonder my post flew over your head.

That attitude sound great when your order food at a restaurant. They have it made your way. But it don't work that way in all games. We also have to look at the whole Elite Dangerous game.

BTW FYI I own a Pomeranian yeah really..guess I should get Alaskan malamute...

I own Two Bearded Dragons and 2 cats.

Again you clearly confused. I'm not asking to have two things on the screen at once. I 'm saying PROPER placement and better deign. Besides when canopy is blown it would make it harder four players. Is it what FD stands for? Not making game easy. Again as a combat ship vital info has to be displayed at the right time and proper location. Not having same info displayed twice...And yes to play at 4k you need proper monitor and hardware that can handle it...and you need to come to grips that not everyone must become poor and stop progress simply because you can't have it.

Your theory work well in a game that deal with just Combat sims. But Elite is not just combat sim. So stop trying to make it all about combat.

Let take the Other type of game play.

Explorer. Right now I am 8,000 LY from the nearest station. I love viewing planet and stars. I don't think I going to be hitting combat. So how is cluttered combat display going to help me when I want to see planet and moons or even stars in space?

Traders. They are out for the money. How is the cluttered display going to help them? Ya they can face combat. But they tend to run.

Miners. They mange their bins and collectors. So the question becomes how dose a combat display help them.

Smugglers. They tend to use the Radar watch the security ship and time their entry so they don't get fined.

I also don't think everyone would want vital info destroyed when they lose the Canopy.

 

[Jimmy Joe]

That attitude sound great when your order food at a restaurant. They have it made your way. But it don't work that way in all games. We also have to look at the whole Elite Dangerous game.

I own Two Bearded Dragons and 2 cats.


Your theory work well in a game that deal with just Combat sims. But Elite is not just combat sim. So stop trying to make it all about combat.

Let take the Other type of game play.

Explorer. Right now I am 8,000 LY from the nearest station. I love viewing planet and stars. I don't think I going to be hitting combat. So how is cluttered combat display going to help me when I want to see planet and moons or even stars in space?

Traders. They are out for the money. How is the cluttered display going to help them? Ya they can face combat. But they tend to run.

Miners. They mange their bins and collectors. So the question becomes how dose a combat display help them.

Smugglers. They tend to use the Radar watch the security ship and time their entry so they don't get fined.

I also don't think everyone would want vital info destroyed when they lose the Canopy.

Once again you missed my post by a mile. Learn to read. Or try the zoom on your 13" laptop so you can see a bit batter. Are you really that confused? I mean really? Can't your READ.


So i will try again.
When entering the combat, ship needs to have a separate combat mode, for anything els you need flight mode. See my post #2.

My point was I shouldn't be pressing anything, the combat ship needs to have two modes, combat and flight mode. In the combat mode vital info such as targeting, speed and heading, heat levels must be in the right place of the HUD. Having two modes will give the player best of both worlds. What I'm saying is that we need a militarily class hud... https://bsvcflightschool.com/2015/03/09/advanced-hud-the-itts-and-targeting-in-star-citizen/
Also it would be nice to to give us ability to change the colors of your hud within the game...if of old games like freespace can do it why can't elite...

In flight mode the HUD is cleaner more visibility and gives you that great view. We already have sort of combat mode with weapons and targeting we just need to arrange it better. Also when canopy is blown so as your targeting hud. Yet we mange to navigate to safety just fine. Well most of the time..
So this is my final post to you.
First of all you go off and post crap about preaching combat skills, then you post crap about double info on the hud, witch I never claim FD needs to implement. Then you keep saying that I push for militarily combat HUD only. Where clearly in my post 2 I suggested TWO flight modes. Get of my post and troll somewhere else.

 

[Godsailsaqueen]

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Hello
I would like to suggest better implementation of the HUD information. As it stands the vital information is scattered all over the place. For example In the heat of the battle the human eye is focus on the target, it's very unnatural to look down at the heat levels where the radar is located. Yeah we have voice warnings, but I prefer to manage heat visually..Why not move the heat indicator where it would be easily visible. Say small arc next to the target with temp gage level. Also please ad tertiary fire key. And if possible allow players to customize the HUD.
Thank you.

I've always been up for a more customizable HUD, which would fit different playstyles (trading, exploring, fighting). But in the grand scheme of things, we're only a tiny minority to want that, so no need to push it. We have to deal with it.

Also, you might need to calm yourself a bit, and stop confusing disagreement with misreading. That's a bit dismissive.

 

[Jimmy Joe]

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I've always been up for a more customizable HUD, which would fit different playstyles (trading, exploring, fighting). But in the grand scheme of things, we're only a tiny minority to want that, so no need to push it. We have to deal with it.

Also, you might need to calm yourself a bit, and stop confusing disagreement with misreading. That's a bit dismissive.

Yeah I hear you, I'm not saying people do not have the right to disagree or post there views points. What ticks me off is when someone come alone doesn't really have full grasp at the subject at hand and then blindly starts putting words in my mouth and dragging the post into some political discussion. If you have beef with my post or my post was not clear or badly written (English not my native)then ask to correct it or to clarify. Start an argument based on what I wrote not what you think is there.
But yeah you are correct I should cool it..point taken.


Back to the HUD. Yeah it would be totally awesome to have customizable HUD. Ability to change color dim, turn on move or to simply turn off visual cues and unnecessary HUD elements ... oh well...

 

[Shadow_Frost]

Interesting, you claim that FD does not cater to players yet YOU expect them to cater to players with small screens... And yeah because the game is not free to play I fully expend support. LOl so we should stop all the progress because some people can't have better things. You really comparing animal size to a monitor size? No wonder my post flew over your head.

BTW FYI I own a Pomeranian yeah really..guess I should get Alaskan malamute...yeah, my feelings are hurt now lol

Again you clearly confused. I'm not asking to have two things on the screen at once. I 'm saying PROPER placement and better deign. Besides when canopy is blown it would make it harder four players. Is it what FD stands for? Not making game easy. Again as a combat ship vital info has to be displayed at the right time and proper location. Not having same info displayed twice...And yes to play at 4k you need proper monitor and hardware that can handle it...and you need to come to grips that not everyone must become poor and stop progress simply because you can't have it.

Walk over to your weapons command panel. It's set up like this over there. You're looking at the commander's HUD which is set up completely different.

It's understandable you overlooked this.

 

[Velixar]

You know Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous are two different games. I play both games because they are different. The hubs should not be copied. Also if you are worried about heat. Then something on your ship might be the issue.

The canopy and hub idea and is a bad one. If all the info put on the hub and it blown out. It would make the game worse depending on what on the hub.

 

[Jimmy Joe]

You know Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous are two different games. I play both games because they are different. The hubs should not be copied. Also if you are worried about heat. Then something on your ship might be the issue.

The canopy and hub idea and is a bad one. If all the info put on the hub and it blown out. It would make the game worse depending on what on the hub.

Yes they are different games, and no they should not be copied, I only linked that because it has better targeting cues and the HUD feels much more refined then elite IMO. Elite hud could use some tweaks and I did not suggest to put all or most info into the HUD not all info needs to be there or in case of elite on the canopy. I like the cockpit view as well..it give it more real feel to it. Some info can be visible internally in the pilots visor so if the canopy is gone you can still have the info. And no my ship is just fine, but if you look at say fuel scoop you get two bars one for temp the other for fuel. It's there at the eye level because it makes sense to have it there, so my point was to have right information at the right eye level.

 

[Velixar]

Is that what weapon temps for? The only time it overheard is when the player holding the button down after the weapons overheat. But I learn how to manage my heat using weapon groups. Use lasers until shields are down or target not in my sights then it cool down time. I don't play the game called "I shoot and hope to hit the target and overheat." Because I overheat playing that game.

I also like how Elite game setup now. It easy to see targets.

 

[Jimmy Joe]

Is that what weapon temps for? The only time it overheard is when the player holding the button down after the weapons overheat. But I learn how to manage my heat using weapon groups. Use lasers until shields are down or target not in my sights then it cool down time. I don't play the game called "I shoot and hope to hit the target and overheat." Because I overheat playing that game.

I also like how Elite game setup now. It easy to see targets.

Who says I hold the key until it melts? Did I say that? I also use groups and not all my weapons are energy based, where do you people come from? I'm only asking for a better layout for      sake.
Mods please close this thread already we have to many kids with knee jerk reactions on here that feel the need to preach...

 

[Sir.Tj]

Closed at ops req.