Before I submitted a trouble ticket I wanna pass this by the masses to see if they've seen something similar. Civil War in our system between two lesser powers, we support the Anarchy faction and for the last week go into conflict zone and kill megaships, and castrate the other MF they are fighting. We've been flowing in like 7 guys everyday into these zones with the usual bugs, everyone is red, or only one side shows up, but we still were killing hundreds of the other MF ships. Just checked, the faction we were supporting is in total defeat anddddd there have been no other players in our system besides my squadron. What is going on ? What is broke, this should've been an easy victory for the faction we supported.
BGS Civil Wars Broken?
- Thread starter jar head
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You really, really need to know what EVERY SINGLE HUMAN PLAYER is doing in these zones. if not then there is no chance of figuring out what is going on. This new upgrade has only just been released so getting advice will not be easy. Instead we need or I need constructive input.
You say that EVERY ship in the conflict zone is red. Have you checked that all these red ship are in the exact same faction? I politely ask this as it is easy for someone to accidentally shoot the wrong ship, once done then we have problems. You talk about Total defeat? what do you mean by that? did you lose every single war that you fought? (Or thought you fought)
You say you are monitoring the war so the first thing I would like to know is how did each day go?
How are you monitoring human movement in the system?
Conflict Zones for us, have on the whole been far more aggressive, the higher level zones getting harder with Spec op ships having strongly engineered hull and weapons. How many wars did you guys win, how many did you lose? I ask this because once the slider gets to the end, then the war is that conflict zone is over for that specific time period.
Did you fight in Low Intensity Conflict Zones and if so how did they go?
I for one would be grateful for more detail if you have it but good luck with your ticket although saying the thing is broke without detailed information might not be enough for folks to help. Is it like saying, "I lost and that's not fair!"
When I put a ticket in, I try to give as much detail as possible along with screenshots. video would be better but fik olde me cannot do that. Have you got any images?
Good luck with the ticket and sorry for all my questions but I like to try to learn as much as possible about this upgrade
You said everyone is red.
Then I'll assume you guys didn't pledge to the faction properly.
The new way is with the comms pannel in the upper-left when you are near the CZ center, and you need to select a side.
Otherwise, all you get is a waste of time. It won't matter how many you kill, if you get no bonds, or recognition of CZ victory it doesn't count.
On the flip side, missions work towards it now. You could just stack missions for the faction you want to win.
Then I'll assume you guys didn't pledge to the faction properly.
The new way is with the comms pannel in the upper-left when you are near the CZ center, and you need to select a side.
Otherwise, all you get is a waste of time. It won't matter how many you kill, if you get no bonds, or recognition of CZ victory it doesn't count.
On the flip side, missions work towards it now. You could just stack missions for the faction you want to win.
Ooops,
NO jarhead, It looks like you are getting totally, totally confused. No matter how hard you fight, it bears NO relation to traffic passing through your system.
IF and it is a big if, but if you have chosen a side to fight for, then if you as an individual are a decent player, then in a Low Influence Conflict Zone, TEN, yes ten kills will win that war. obviously if the opposition knocks ten bells out of you and the fighting is close, then that might double but the slider still moves after ever single kill you make. When I make a kill the green slider moves toward the winning side. When the side I fight make a kill, their red coloured slider moves to that same side. IF we have logged in correctly.
I do not want us to get into any type of verbal combat and I would love to fly with you just to see how this game is going wrong. NOTE, I am NOT saying or possibly suggesting what you might be doing incorrectly. I would really like to see how the game differes from my experience. Did you take ANY screen shots?
What surprises me is that when i win a war i get that congratulatory message and if I have won in a High Intensity CZ, i get the message saying I have been awarded a significant increase in REPUTATION??
This is me merrily fighting on my own in a Medium CZ and look at the slider bar
http://www.imgurupload.com/image/laAEU
When you win a war, that slider bar disappears and you get both a text and a verbal message
Again this is me on my own in the High CZ and yup, I took a beating but I knew I was about to win the war so I kept on fighting. Once a war is won then the red side slowly disappears or you can kill the remaining ships
http://www.imgurupload.com/image/laMvD
Note the increase in so called 'Reputation'
I have only posted these two pictures to show I am sincere. I would love to fly with you folks to experience what you are seeing. Please pm me
Hi Starwolfe
our experience is that if we did not log on 'properly' OR did not log into the fight at all. BOTH sides remains green, NOT red and if you start shooting, you started getting bounties on your head and yes they did certainly turn red BUT Bounties galore plus notoriety.
The only times I can recall everyone going red, is when someone accidentally shoots a 'good guy' yes it can still happen. The other time I recall is if we lose a war and all the green forces retreat off the map. Yes, we lost a war on the very first day when bugs over-ruled brains!!!
Starwolfe
What was the Influence gain you had please when you won your war?
Ours was an eye-watering FOUR yes 4% We handed in a shed load of bonds and these were handed in daily, NOT hoarded and by shed load I mean usually around a maximum of 5 million per day. Population of the system was 5000 and we also did missions on a daily basis for the winning side (us) We are at the stage when money, or credits is meaningless, we have credits coming out of our ears but influence, I am finding this issue more than slightly confusing.
I apologise for mentioning money but I find it strange that folk are so interested in it when fighting in a CZ. I guess to me I can earn money far, far easier in other parts of this game and the cz is for me a place where we go when trying to influence a war.
Starwolfe
What were your daily results please when you were doing missions and did you accept the gazillion missions that only chuffing offered chuffing REPUTATION??? Grrrrrr It gets me mad seeing all the REPUTATION missions.. WHY? Do we now really need to make this game so easy? Why so many reputation missions? Why not level that playing field and offer a variety of differing types?
Enough moaning
Still sounds like your not fighting in the CZs correctly, and they may be bugged. CZs should be lawless, with no bounties earned ever. If anything, pledging a side should net Bonds... so I am somewhat confused as to why your situation is like that.
Depends on the effort for results.
I have had shifts from just +/- 2% to 4% swings on both sides, but most locations are low-population and near no-traffic with little effort put in for testing purposes.
Been able to influence them through missions for the faction in-system and by taking missions from outside like assassination missions influencing a targeted side.
Most of the time its Influence-missions when I can, or I just pick up the cash rewards.
As for daily effort? Not much, honestly. A half-dozen missions in a system at most, and a few systems a day on average for a couple hours of effort.
Depends on the effort for results.
I have had shifts from just +/- 2% to 4% swings on both sides, but most locations are low-population and near no-traffic with little effort put in for testing purposes.
Been able to influence them through missions for the faction in-system and by taking missions from outside like assassination missions influencing a targeted side.
Most of the time its Influence-missions when I can, or I just pick up the cash rewards.
As for daily effort? Not much, honestly. A half-dozen missions in a system at most, and a few systems a day on average for a couple hours of effort.
Saw similar bugs in combat zones supporting an anarchy faction. Are anarchy factions bugged maybe? I've got other problems too.
Another proxy war kicked off, ALL players in system are accounted for via the traffic report in the Station Services, same two factions as the original post, one Anarchy, other corp......over 3 days we have won most conflict zones multiple times in system and looking at the faction tab, it says today that the other side is winning, I have a stinking suspicion that if you leave a CZ without winning the battle its tabbing it as a loss for the faction you supported even if the green bar was significantly higher than the red, I'm out of ideas. If the war is lost tomorrow I will make one last attempt supporting the faction we are fighting against as a test for "science" and then give up on the BGS until its fixed.
Ooops,
Note the increase in so called 'Reputation'
This is interesting as I have won a number of wars (received the war won msg) but have never received a congratulation for significant reputation increase from my pmf (although i am max out in rep with them already). However, I have received a msg saying significant reduction in reputation for the opposition.
Hi Trog,
Thank you for replying and here we go at responding to your very valid points.
1. You have to be quick to see the message. The higher, significant increase in reputation is when we win the battle in the HIGH Intensity Conflict Zone. If we have that understandable feeling of being very chuffed with the achievement of winning we might, just might miss that message and I note you see the second part of the victory which states the loss of reputation for the losing side.
2. When talking about any gain in reputation, I usually go to great lengths to explain the reputation gain is NOT for the individual and again I always try to say that this is way, way outside of my experience. In my experience reputation is for the benefit of the individual, influence is for the faction. Yet we now get the message the reputation INCREASE or DECREASE is for THE FACTION!! I tend to never talk about my personal ranking as there are no end of us who are maxed out in every skill set although I have not touched CQC?? or whatever it is called.
I still have an open mind regarding what it takes to win a war, there are way, way, way too many bugs for ANYONE to answer this query. I have won 7 day wars only doing missions and because of the developers only offering for us 5+ REPUTATION missions, I took these that always offered two stars of influence??
I hate folks that use abbreviations so apologies for not commenting about 'pmf'
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