Which one do you guys think is superior? The bi-weave or the shield tank FDL. Theoretically, i can see that a very good bi-weave pilot (I'm not one) can evade shots, regen mj's while the shields are up, and get shields back up multiple times in a fight. But a prismatic build with 5-6 boosters and hull reinforcements has such a large amount of base hit points that i have a hard time seeing the bi-weave coming out of top unless the pilot is marginally superior. I've been considering joining the dark side of shield monstrosities due to this reasoning.
Depends on the pilots and the loadouts.
I've beaten some very good prismatic FDL pilots with my active regen bi-weave setup, but mostly because they were efficient PA boats and I could get enough time between shots landed to make the regeneration rate useful.
I've also had more trouble with some less good (no offense Krash!) FDL pilots with pulse laser turrets because I had almost no shield regeneration at all.
Long story short...it depends.
I've beaten some very good prismatic FDL pilots with my active regen bi-weave setup, but mostly because they were efficient PA boats and I could get enough time between shots landed to make the regeneration rate useful.
I've also had more trouble with some less good (no offense Krash!) FDL pilots with pulse laser turrets because I had almost no shield regeneration at all.
Long story short...it depends.
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
If you will be under focused fire, esp PAs/rails, the prismatic should have the advantage.
AP Birdman
Banned
After using both builds extensively in PvP I can confidently say that they are pretty much identical in terms of time to kill but I would say that the bi-weave build requires more evasion piloting skill because when your shields are down you're pretty vulnerable and as others have stated, if your opponent has a turreted pulse laser you're pretty screwed.
I personally can't say one is better than the other but I definitely prefer the bi-weave build because it allows me to stay out longer whereas I feel like I'm constantly having to go back to a station to rearm and repair with a prismatic build.
I'd say try both and decide for yourself which one you like better. You really can't go wrong either way though.
I personally can't say one is better than the other but I definitely prefer the bi-weave build because it allows me to stay out longer whereas I feel like I'm constantly having to go back to a station to rearm and repair with a prismatic build.
I'd say try both and decide for yourself which one you like better. You really can't go wrong either way though.
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None taken. I use the pulse turrets as a crutch vs biweaves and TLB. In fact you taught me that trick
For someone who's not great at evasion, I prefer prismos.
when we are talking about wing fights i would say the prismatic (4 boosters are enough here). except the pilot runs double chaff and is really good in evasive.
in 1v1 well lets make a simple math.
the class 5 bi weave regenerates 2.277 mj in 15 minutes and has ca 1500 - 1600 mj at the start. together with the 2 class 4 scbs (1100 mj load) we have theoretically 4927 mj here with resistances of ca 70 70 30.
a prismatic fdl with the class 5 has about 2400 mj at start with same resistences plus the 1100 load so 3500 mj.
dont run more then 4 booster you need 1 chaff at least and one heat sink for scbs
1v1 longer then 10 mins are not seldom if both pilots are midclass or above. if the prismatic pilot is not able to block the regenerate of the bi weave he is in major trouble here.
skilled pilots are able to hit a railgun vollley after the plasma shot turn though which stops the regeneration. a laser turret is very very bad news for the bi weave pilot.
in a nutshell i would say with normal pilot skills the bi weave is much stronger in 1v1
in wing fights (when you get focus) more mj are always better so prismatic
in 1v1 well lets make a simple math.
the class 5 bi weave regenerates 2.277 mj in 15 minutes and has ca 1500 - 1600 mj at the start. together with the 2 class 4 scbs (1100 mj load) we have theoretically 4927 mj here with resistances of ca 70 70 30.
a prismatic fdl with the class 5 has about 2400 mj at start with same resistences plus the 1100 load so 3500 mj.
dont run more then 4 booster you need 1 chaff at least and one heat sink for scbs
1v1 longer then 10 mins are not seldom if both pilots are midclass or above. if the prismatic pilot is not able to block the regenerate of the bi weave he is in major trouble here.
skilled pilots are able to hit a railgun vollley after the plasma shot turn though which stops the regeneration. a laser turret is very very bad news for the bi weave pilot.
in a nutshell i would say with normal pilot skills the bi weave is much stronger in 1v1
in wing fights (when you get focus) more mj are always better so prismatic
Your bi-weave FDL has 1500 mj of shields? Mine has got 850
i would not recommand a bi weave fdl where shields drop and regenerate. too much counters for hull tanks are around.
here is my bi weave fdl i used in the last duel. its on my youtube channel.
https://s.orbis.zone/1ihn
the shield is concepted to stay up and uses the regeneration power and if necessary the scbs.
here is my bi weave fdl i used in the last duel. its on my youtube channel.
https://s.orbis.zone/1ihn
the shield is concepted to stay up and uses the regeneration power and if necessary the scbs.
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Interesting loadout, i haven't seen something like that before. I can definitely see it working pretty well though. I might try something like that myself
only problem is single chaff, vs no scrubs gimbal users it will be very difficult, dmg taken during chaff reload phase will be substantial as well as quite long time of active regen blockade. Not critiquing tough, i m using something like this myself.
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well i flew double chaff long time. but i changed to mouse keypad some weeks ago from double stick.
since then the combat speed is much faster and flight vector is much more direct that i dont get many damage during the time i am in weapons range.
and even if you change one HD booster to a chaff you still have 1100 shield to start with leads to ca 4500 mj of total shield power in our theoretical calculation.
when you use double chaff on a prisma fdl you will also have a decrease of shield. so the comfort of double chaff has disadvantages to handle sadly.
since then the combat speed is much faster and flight vector is much more direct that i dont get many damage during the time i am in weapons range.
and even if you change one HD booster to a chaff you still have 1100 shield to start with leads to ca 4500 mj of total shield power in our theoretical calculation.
when you use double chaff on a prisma fdl you will also have a decrease of shield. so the comfort of double chaff has disadvantages to handle sadly.
Shields? I don't fly shields on my Lance. Try it, you'd be surprised
AP Birdman
Banned
Shields? I don't fly shields on my Lance. Try it, you'd be surprised
I doubt it, you're crazy.
I've been pondering this question myself!
Thanks for the helpful responses, will try some of the suggestions on both and see what I feel more comfortable with
Thanks for the helpful responses, will try some of the suggestions on both and see what I feel more comfortable with
shieldless lance works. but onyl for pro level pilots. however too much counters out there for hull tanks sadly.
emmissive, scramble, super penetr, seeker missiles and so on.
it would be much fun flying pure hull tank not only lance class but its not fun to run in all that counters during wing fights or fleet flights
emmissive, scramble, super penetr, seeker missiles and so on.
it would be much fun flying pure hull tank not only lance class but its not fun to run in all that counters during wing fights or fleet flights
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