Horizons Birth of ED

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Hang on I have a video link of the devs explaining it somewhere, will edit in when I find it.

[video=youtube;iTBvpd3_Vqk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTBvpd3_Vqk[/video]
 
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Thank you Alex that is exactly what I wanted to know. Jokes mucky and piper.....I always thought nasa did some sort of deep space scan of the universe and picked up all the stars in the milky way while doing so so they turned the data into a game.
 
About 160,000 of the systems in game are based on real astronomical data. The rest are either hand crafted, in the place of a real system and given a catchier name (or a name from the previous Elites), or procedurally generated.
 

Sir.Tj

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I thought it was unicorns and magic fairy dust...
 
Thank you Alex that is exactly what I wanted to know. Jokes mucky and piper.....I always thought nasa did some sort of deep space scan of the universe and picked up all the stars in the milky way while doing so so they turned the data into a game.

Hehe, well to tell the truth it was quite the opposite. The game model actually predicted a few things that Nasa later verified :)
 

mickma

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Anyone want to enlighten me with the story on how ED made such a perfect map of the milky way?

Anyone want to enlighten me on why one might mistake the ED milky way map for perfect or indeed even remotely accurate.

It is chock-a-block with astronimical garbage resulting from FD's mash-up of known star catalogues, RNG and broken programming.

 
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I've watched that interview a few times - such a boring topic really but hearing David talk about it and the game with the passion and clear intelligence he has around it makes that and really anything he talks about in that manner interesting to me.
 
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Anyone want to enlighten me on why one might mistake the ED milky way map for perfect or indeed even remotely accurate.

It is chock-a-block with astronimical garbage resulting from FD's mash-up of known star catalogues, RNG and broken programming.

Graphical rendering bug in game does not equal ED map in the same way looking at a building in real life does not equal apple maps view.

Tl: dr You made a comparison not at all related to what we are discussing which is this:

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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/220230-Images-of-the-entire-ED-galaxy
 
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Anyone want to enlighten me on why one might mistake the ED milky way map for perfect or indeed even remotely accurate.

It is chock-a-block with astronimical garbage resulting from FD's mash-up of known star catalogues, RNG and broken programming.




Then why don't you enjoy NMS and their brilliant take at procedural generation. What FD has done is amazing - you calling out one known bug of the visually mapped galaxy against the procedural one sure is being nitpicky calling it 'broken programming' - it's working JUST AS DESIGNED. You don't like it, there is an exit designated by the 'X' in the upper right hand of your browser... use it if the programming is SOOO BAD.

Hint to others about this guy's post:
He's full of it!!!
 
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Oh really.

How about this one? And the many others like it spread all over the galaxy.

https://s15.postimg.org/rfbyttuqj/89768456.png

haha, great choice that was covered a while back in 2015: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/159121-Strange-path-in-the-stars-Prefix-2MASS

Relevant quotes here:

The galaxy includes a lot of real stars harvested from actual star catalogues where the distances from Sol are reasonably accurate.

Some of those are on lines (because someone's pointed a telescope at a small patch of the sky and taken a detailed survey) and those lines we've looked along in the real galaxy sometimes come up looking like that.

2MASS will be stars from this lot

The map is telling you what it is.

NGC 1333
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_1333
APOD: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140306.html

This is the SIMBAD entry for the stars in the nebula...
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/s...ldren=278&submit=children&hlinksdisplay=h_all

If you cross reference a few of the stars you can see on the map, you'll see them on the list.

And the nearby nebula NGC 1333 from Nasa

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Basically someone has observed, recorded and logged those particular stars in real life on a database that ED has used to create/amend it's simulation. Arguably it's those stars that are correct and the rest of it that's possibly wrong so well done on that score. 10/10 :)

Anything else? My googling skills were pretty unchallenged on that one. We are on topic here and you are right there's a few things possibly wrong with the galaxy simulation but to be honest its about as real as it gets considering we can't verify most of it due to the distances involved.
 
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The many long straight lines / highways of Stars are the most accurate parts of the Galaxy.

Because this is the data from actual galactic mapping. Read up on it and it's limitations.
Now go complain to ESA / Hubble etc... about how they are a pack of noobs in space stuff and you know better.

It will be interesting to see how FD handle all the new superior Galaxy mapping done by the ESA's Gaia. This new work is far superior and would change the whole look of ED's galaxy.
 

mickma

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We are on topic here and you are right there's a few things possibly wrong with the galaxy simulation but to be honest its about as real as it gets considering we can't verify most of it due to the distances involved.

Crap. Elimination of the failure in that picture isn't reliant on verificiation in any way. It just needs some actual modelling in place of Frontier's ****-poor cut-and-paste of catalogue data over RNG.

Anything else?

Far too much to list here. Doubtless most has been bug-reported... and will get fixed sometime before the end of the 20-year plan :)

The many long straight lines / highways of Stars are the most accurate parts of the Galaxy.

Because this is the data from actual galactic mapping. Read up on it and it's limitations.
Now go complain to ESA / Hubble etc...

I have no complaint about the stars that Hubble found in the highway. My complaint is about far larger number of stars outside the highway that Frontier has failed to include.
 
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@mickma: any answer that would befit your negativity and attitude would earn me an Infraction for insulting other players. You are not worth that, so welcome to my ignore list.
 
Crap. Elimination of the failure in that picture isn't reliant on verificiation in any way. It just needs some actual modelling in place of Frontier's -poor cut-and-paste of catalogue data over RNG.

Far too much to list here. Doubtless most has been bug-reported... and will get fixed sometime before the end of the 20-year plan :)

I have no complaint about the stars that Hubble found in the highway. My complaint is about far larger number of star outside the highway that Frontier has failed to include.

I don't believe the "larger number of star outside the highway" exist. <- They may well do but currently you are saying there's something missing with no evidence there is and I can no longer be bothered to google around if you arn't willing to engage in the same constructive debate.
Please go out, map those stars personally and pass the report to the scientific community at large and/or frontier. Give names, co-ordinates, star class, sizes with the scientific evidence for their existence and if Frontier care they'll update it. Or you know, at least find someone else's evidence. Alternatively please come up with a model that re-creates the universe more accurately and show it off for all to investigate and look at.

Hehe, I'm sure i've heard this before, "there's too much to list but the example I came up with was wrong and my changed assertions have no proof". So far on this thread I haven't seen you provide a single solid irrefutable star with the data proving it's existence that isn't in the game.


Overall well I guess this game doesn't live up to your insane expectations for a literal perfect rendering of the entire galaxy. Frontier and DBOBE have modelled this and the previous elite games so well they've predicted things Nasa/ESA later confirmed was true, it's literally the closest in the world for any video game ever and you say it's crap. Unlike you I will link you a source for this: http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/04/e...dicted-discovery-of-second-earth-by-20-years/

@mickma: any answer that would befit your negativity and attitude would earn me an Infraction for insulting other players. You are not worth that, so welcome to my ignore list.

Agreed, seems like the discussion is reaching silly levels now that I frankly don't want to waste my spare time on. Goodbye Mickma. :)

Edit: I accidentally pressed rep not ignore... Too early in the day for me to function. :p
 
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Anyone want to enlighten me on why one might mistake the ED milky way map for perfect or indeed even remotely accurate.

It is chock-a-block with astronimical garbage resulting from FD's mash-up of known star catalogues, RNG and broken programming.


We await the release of your galaxy simulator with bated breath!

Please be aware, any small issues with the simulation will be subject to hyperbolic ridicule and scorn for your programming skills.
 
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