Black Mirror Season 4 Ep 1 Has to be ED

[shadowhand]

I tried watching that show when Netflix recommended it to me a while back, but it didn't really appeal to me. The first episode in season 1 was just ridiculous and disgusting I felt. I keep hearing good thing about it though, but I guess it's just not for me.

 

[Oaktree]

The player voice at the end of the episode was Aaron Paul? Didnt noticed... Did he said the B word? Cant remember...

 

[TheSisko]

Great episode of a great show.

TV that makes you think, long after the credits roll.

 

[metatheurgist]

I tried watching that show when Netflix recommended it to me a while back, but it didn't really appeal to me. The first episode in season 1 was just ridiculous and disgusting I felt. I keep hearing good thing about it though, but I guess it's just not for me.

Yah, I find it hard to get into. Watched it when it originally aired and was able to make it through a few episodes, but when you know the characters only last for one ep it's hard to eat the depressing negativity of most of the plots.

 

[KellyR]

And there's talk of 'USS Callister' getting 'its own spinoff'. Not sure how I feel about that, if it's just the series as imagined by Daly. How would that be sustainable?

People seem to forget that a lot of the characters on 'Black Mirror' are actually 'just' computer programs, copied from actual people. Far more sophisticated than anything current, sure, and I'm reminded of what 'Bill' says in the Dr Who Xmas special, that if she has all Bill Pott's memories, isn't she Bill Potts? And does a transporter create a duplicate, while killing the original? I was criticised on another forum for suggesting that the Hosts in 'West World' have no right to life, and indeed aren't truly alive just because they are so convincing in appearance and behaviour. But I'd love to see more of these well portrayed artificial lifeforms in 'Black Mirror'. Wonder if Brooker (who's on 'Desert Island Discs' this Sunday) has read Terry Pratchett's 'Only You Can Save Mankind'?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...ies-charlie-brooker-toby-haynes-a8137586.html

I have to disagree that they are just computer programs. Yes, they are artificial intelligence routines, but they are not written by a human. They are extrapolated from DNA. They think, they feel, they have desires. Just like you and me. Human thought is, at it's very base, binary. A brain cell (neuron) fires or it doesn't. One neuron firing or not firing is insignificant and irrelevant. Trillions and trillions of them firing and not firing in coherent patterns creates the most powerful force in the universe: consciousness. Yes, the digital clones on USS Calister are computer programs. Guess what? So are you and I. So what makes us so special and them not? Heck, they even wanted to die (before they hit the update vortex). And no one programmed them to want that. And Walton holding a grudge against Daley because of what he did to his virtual son? And threatened to do again? That was so believable it was scary.

These digital clones were sentient, sapient beings with the same right to survive and be treated fairly as anyone else.

 

[Zeeman]

Personally, I am outraged by the false information that this broadcast is spreading. First of all, everyone knows that *I* am the King of Space, not this other guy.
...

It is claimed that you ignored all attempts at communication, and thus, the producers were not able to secure you to appear as yourself.

You own fault, clearly...

Z...

 

[Olivia Vespera]

I think it's one of my favourite episodes because of this:

Stealing my is a red line~

back to elite: dangerous. I can't help but see it as Eliteangerous. Maybe one day when we have space legs.

 

[NewBlacksmurf]

I’m late but woah.....good show

 

[Punished Mobius]

I have to disagree that they are just computer programs. Yes, they are artificial intelligence routines, but they are not written by a human. They are extrapolated from DNA. They think, they feel, they have desires. Just like you and me. Human thought is, at it's very base, binary. A brain cell (neuron) fires or it doesn't. One neuron firing or not firing is insignificant and irrelevant. Trillions and trillions of them firing and not firing in coherent patterns creates the most powerful force in the universe: consciousness. Yes, the digital clones on USS Calister are computer programs. Guess what? So are you and I. So what makes us so special and them not? Heck, they even wanted to die (before they hit the update vortex). And no one programmed them to want that. And Walton holding a grudge against Daley because of what he did to his virtual son? And threatened to do again? That was so believable it was scary.

These digital clones were sentient, sapient beings with the same right to survive and be treated fairly as anyone else.

Why are y'all even arguing about this? Star Trek Voyager clearly covered this topic already.

Holograms and computer programs are sentient beings.

 

[KellyR]

Why are y'all even arguing about this? Star Trek Voyager clearly covered this topic already.

Holograms and computer programs are sentient beings.

Yes, some are. The more complex ones. But Star Trek, and by extension, most other people, use the term 'sentient' wrongly. Even a dog is sentient. Sentience is the ability to feel. The correct term is sapience. While a dog is sentient, it is NOT sapient. Sapience is the ability to converse and thereby communicate abstract ideas with other living beings. And there are degrees of it (some are more sapient than others), but once sapience has been displayed in any degree treating the being like chattel is morally wrong.