General / Off-Topic Blatant and Obvious !!!

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

Sorry about another Trump related thread, but this is driving me crazy, how can the Trump supporters not see it ? He has no plan or desire to keep America safe from terror by doing this ban, let's assume i wanted to ban Muslims from certain countries like the Trump supporters do, first i'd be asking why Trump excludes Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (two biggest exporters of terror), second i'd be asking "hey Donald, is it because you have business interests in the KSA ? Third, If it's not really a Muslim ban then why are you prioritising the entry of Christians ? Four, Why won't he do this through the proper channels ? Perhaps he does not like the US constitution which also prohibits the religious test. My fith and final point, obvious to everyone that is not completely blind and deaf, how can anyone believe this guy ? Campaigns on anti immigration wall, has no way of making mexico pay for it, campaigns on Anti Muslim terror but excludes the worst countries from his ban list whilst doing more good for the enemy than his own people, campaigns on Anti Elitism yet he represents the very worst of it, not to mention his cabinet picks being all about big corporation profit. It is BLATANTLY obvious that Trump is not only being unamerican (according to the constitution), but is also in the process of betraying his own voters, these quickfire executive orders are just to cover that up. No amount of "alternative facts" will fool those of us with minds of our own. My queston to readers of this thread is simple, With facts, can you justify Trump's actions ?

 

[Hooplah]

The guy has been in office for 12 days. Not really sufficient to see how his Presidency will unfold. For all those who hate Trump be sure and reply so you can feel good about doing so. For all those who like Trump ignore this post and let those who need it have their fun.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

The guy has been in office for 12 days. Not really sufficient to see how his Presidency will unfold. For all those who hate Trump be sure and reply so you can feel good about doing so. For all those who like Trump ignore this post and let those who need it have their fun.

I was inviting people who like trump, to debate these issues, obviously if that's not possible, i get it.

 

[verminstar]

I was inviting people who like trump, to debate these issues, obviously if that's not possible, i get it.

I dont see the tone of yer op as indicating the desire to debate anything...thats a hate filled rant and nothing else. Brave guy who answers that one...good luck with it ^

 

[beelbeebub]

The guy has been in office for 12 days. Not really sufficient to see how his Presidency will unfold. For all those who hate Trump be sure and reply so you can feel good about doing so. For all those who like Trump ignore this post and let those who need it have their fun.

Could you give your rating of how this "roll out" of the immigration executive order went from an organisational point of view?

10 = Smooth as butter, professional and without a hitch
to
1 = Absolute debacle, headless chicken, nobody's got a clue.

I'm not asking about the content or intent of the order, that's irrelevant, I'm asking on your opinion on how the process went.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

I dont see the tone of yer op as indicating the desire to debate anything...thats a hate filled rant and nothing else. Brave guy who answers that one...good luck with it ^

Where was the hate ? I'm serious....why do you think there was hatred ? i understand right wing mindsets, but i don't understand how anyone can support trump's actions, i made my points without insulting any individual members, now i'm asking for the opposing view.

 

[sutex]

The guy has been in office for 12 days. Not really sufficient to see how his Presidency will unfold. For all those who hate Trump be sure and reply so you can feel good about doing so. For all those who like Trump ignore this post and let those who need it have their fun.

Well , he may go with . "Your Fired" ...much like his TV series

 

[Jason S]

Exactly how true is the Snowden film?

I watched it and in the film it showed vast numbers of phones/emails from the entire world being monitored and even more scary indicated they could turn off the power of other countries!

Now with Trump in power is that not a concern.

 

[FuzzySpider]

The guy has been in office for 12 days. Not really sufficient to see how his Presidency will unfold. For all those who hate Trump be sure and reply so you can feel good about doing so. For all those who like Trump ignore this post and let those who need it have their fun.

Yeah exactly.

In just 12 days he has shown contempt for the constitution and the rule of law, has demonstrated that his monstrous ego needs to be fed, he has shown he doesn't actually care about fact, he has shown he doesn't value honesty, he has demonstrated that all environmental concerns are not important, he has a disregard for any nation that isn't America, and he has made it abundantly clear that anyone who tries to temper his narcissistic tendencies will be removed.

It has taken just 12 days for him to demonstrate that he is a dangerous menace. That's got to be a record. This is the worst president in US history already.

4 more years of this is completely unthinkable. Something has to change, and Trump clearly won't.

 

[Chris Simon]

Remember all the hate Obama got during the first months of his presidency, when he started "doing his plan"?

I have no horse in the race so it's easy for me to be a smartass, but let's wait at least a year, before condemning a politician.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Remember all the hate Obama got during the first months of his presidency, when he started "doing his plan"?

I have no horse in the race so it's easy for me to be a smartass, but let's wait at least a year, before condemning a politician.

Obama got a lot of hate because he didn't "do his plan". He didn't force them to close Gitmo, he didn't force his version of the ACA on the country, he even appointed Republicans to his cabinet (Chuck Hagel).

He certainly didn't violate the constitution, break international laws, provoke world wide protests, lie about the most trivial things to feed his ego, cancel important state visits via twitter because of a tantrum, sign an executive order for a major construction project without the funds to build it, and add the phrase "alternative facts" to the English lexicon within the first fortnight.

A man owns a gun for 8 years. He treats it carefully, locks it away when it isn't in use, fires it occasionally when he wants to try target practice. After the 8 years are up he has to pass it on. A toddler with bad impulse control picks it up and immediately starts pointing it menacingly at everyone and everything. Should we really wait to see what the toddler does?

 

[superflyguy]

...I have no horse in the race .....

unfortunately everyone has a horse in this race. his actions don't just affect those in the good ol' US of A. Much of what he has already done, stands for or proposes to do will have a direct impact on many nations. It's extremely worrying to me that after the debacle of Brexit we should have to turn to our 'special relation', with it's current head, to hold our hand.

shocking state of affairs.

back to the OP:


the only justification (and it's flimsy in my opinion) is that he is following through on what he said he was going to do. it does seem a bit odd that people are so flabbergasted by it. if he hadn't he'd be getting pilloried for that.

 

[Chris Simon]

Obama got a lot of hate because he didn't "do his plan". He didn't force them to close Gitmo, he didn't force his version of the ACA on the country, he even appointed Republicans to his cabinet (Chuck Hagel).

He certainly didn't violate the constitution, break international laws, provoke world wide protests, lie about the most trivial things to feed his ego, cancel important state visits via twitter because of a tantrum, sign an executive order for a major construction project without the funds to build it, and add the phrase "alternative facts" to the English lexicon within the first fortnight.

A man owns a gun for 8 years. He treats it carefully, locks it away when it isn't in use, fires it occasionally when he wants to try target practice. After the 8 years are up he has to pass it on. A toddler with bad impulse control picks it up and immediately starts pointing it menacingly at everyone and everything. Should we really wait to see what the toddler does?

Yes, because the toddler has parents who will hopefully prevent him to do the most stupid things.

Anyway, what do you mean by "Should we really wait to see what the toddler does"? Do you think there is anything to do? Other than talking about it, of course.
Are you planning to take down the toddler? Prevent him from doing stupid stuff? Good luck then, because you're bringing guns to a drone fight.

Toddler is your president, unfortunately. That's a fact. He's an official symbol of your coutry (lol) just like the flag or anthem. You have two options - accept it like a good insignificant cizizen, or break the law and try to do something about it. But if your little revolution won't succeed, you'll be probably one head shorter.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

unfortunately everyone has a horse in this race. his actions don't just affect those in the good ol' US of A. Much of what he has already done, stands for or proposes to do will have a direct impact on many nations. It's extremely worrying to me that after the debacle of Brexit we should have to turn to our 'special relation', with it's current head, to hold our hand.

shocking state of affairs.

back to the OP:


the only justification (and it's flimsy in my opinion) is that he is following through on what he said he was going to do. it does seem a bit odd that people are so flabbergasted by it. if he hadn't he'd be getting pilloried for that.

But my post pointed out that he isn't really doing what he said he would do either.

 

[amigacooke]

He certainly didn't violate the constitution, break international laws, provoke world wide protests, lie about the most trivial things to feed his ego, cancel important state visits via twitter because of a tantrum, sign an executive order for a major construction project without the funds to build it, and add the phrase "alternative facts" to the English lexicon within the first fortnight.

Hasn't every USA president who has allowed the continued operation of detention without trial at Guantanamo Bay broken the constitution?

 

[Adept]

Remember all the hate Obama got during the first months of his presidency, when he started "doing his plan"?

I have no horse in the race so it's easy for me to be a smartass, but let's wait at least a year, before condemning a politician.

Are you actually being serious? I hope this is sarcasm, but it reads like true tone-deafness and not understanding that things are different this time.

Let me help you a bit here: https://warisboring.com/yes-trump-is-a-fascist-heres-the-checklist-90c4cd577755#.t2u3ynftv

 

[beelbeebub]

Hasn't every USA president who has allowed the continued operation of detention without trial at Guantanamo Bay broken the constitution?

I think that's the point of Guantanamo. It's not on US soil or detaining US citizens so the US constitution doesn't apply.

Of course the host nation can object but as Cuba objects to Guantanamo anyway there's no great loss.

As for closing it, it has been winding down. There has been the massive issue that you can't just release some of these people who actually are dangerous. Note I'm not saying their position is lawful just that it is unlikely that every single detainee is totally innocent even if some were and due process has not been followed.

You can't use the fact that Obama tried but failed to close Guantanamo as an excuse for Trump signalling he's going to spin it up again.

 

[Minonian]

The guy has been in office for 12 days. Not really sufficient to see how his Presidency will unfold.

On the contradiction. What and more importantly how he did, is more than enough.

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Could you give your rating of how this "roll out" of the immigration executive order went from an organisational point of view?

10 = Smooth as butter, professional and without a hitch
to
1 = Absolute debacle, headless chicken, nobody's got a clue.

I'm not asking about the content or intent of the order, that's irrelevant, I'm asking on your opinion on how the process went.

minus 10

 

[amigacooke]

I think that's the point of Guantanamo. It's not on US soil or detaining US citizens so the US constitution doesn't apply.

Of course the host nation can object but as Cuba objects to Guantanamo anyway there's no great loss.

As for closing it, it has been winding down. There has been the massive issue that you can't just release some of these people who actually are dangerous. Note I'm not saying their position is lawful just that it is unlikely that every single detainee is totally innocent even if some were and due process has not been followed.

You can't use the fact that Obama tried but failed to close Guantanamo as an excuse for Trump signalling he's going to spin it up again.

I feel you're rather missing the point. If the US can get you to Guantanamo, the constitution doesn't mean squat.

 

[Arry]

Remember all the hate Obama got during the first months of his presidency, when he started "doing his plan"?

I have no horse in the race so it's easy for me to be a smartass, but let's wait at least a year, before condemning a politician.

I don't see this presidency running for a full year. The man believes that he has unchallenged power and authority over a democratic united states. He has already stated tiring to sack 'judges' that try to appose his 'unconstitutional actions'.

The next problem is; who takes over after he is removed?