That's what the CMs are for.
Blog about Games developer abuse
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That's what the CMs are for.
Its unfortunate if individuals get abuse, but there has long been an attitude of "we can do what we like" with internet companys and when you abuse your audience over the years with broken promises, downright lies, copy protection that affects everybody except pirates, DLC, spitting games into 3 semi complete parts and making the user pay 3 times, spyware, "you dont own that game" liciences....i miss anything?
Take for example the fallout 76 debarcle. Easy target i know, but look how they have behaved. From the crappy merchndise to the criminally unfinshed product, to the abuse of their own players that has followed. The industry in general is a douchbag and they created their own pool of toxicity. Some devs openly encourage it. I saw a youtube about the whole "cheater essay" issue, it was very good and utterly destroyed beth. If i can find it again ill link it but there are many others. We are witnessing the end of a brand name here i think.
Edit: they came within a hair of taking £50 off me with 76 aswell but when i realised they were going to prevent modding and totally lock the game up including FOV i could see that s storm coming and refunded. Lucky escape.
Take for example the fallout 76 debarcle. Easy target i know, but look how they have behaved. From the crappy merchndise to the criminally unfinshed product, to the abuse of their own players that has followed. The industry in general is a douchbag and they created their own pool of toxicity. Some devs openly encourage it. I saw a youtube about the whole "cheater essay" issue, it was very good and utterly destroyed beth. If i can find it again ill link it but there are many others. We are witnessing the end of a brand name here i think.
Edit: they came within a hair of taking £50 off me with 76 aswell but when i realised they were going to prevent modding and totally lock the game up including FOV i could see that s storm coming and refunded. Lucky escape.
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It says something about the world we live in that the company I work for, which we joke about leaving deep indentations on each penny it spends, feels the need to have hourly supervisors and up sit through yearly refreshers on crowd management techniques, de-escalating potentially violent situations, and my favorite, what to do during an active shooter event. I’ve needed to use the former two within the last three months. I really hope I never need to use the latter.
I guess that’s why I can’t take “game devs need to grow thicker skins” seriously. We live in a world where harsh words can escalate into deadly violence way too easily.
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And that right there, is why doctors tell me to stay inside at home, as much as possible. Because I'm the one who is screaming, pushing & hitting. You ain't seen an autistic meltdown until you meet me. Not being funny. I literally have autism, as well as other more dangerous diagnosis...
Believe me guys, you do not want your children sharing a workplace with me. I'm messed up.
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Please quote were I said that I excuse such behavior, because I didn't, also I'm not bitter, that's you assuming it.
That's exactly the MO of you guys, twisting other peoples words until it fits your "I'm a professional victim" attitude, isn't it.
I always worked in areas/trades where violence came with the job and you were expected to put up with it to a certain extent. There were limits though anyone going to far just got slapped, sometimes worse.
We were never told to grow thicker skins, hit first and hit hard was more common.
That was real world though 99% of this rubbish is just mouthy spoiled kids and no credible threat at all. Doesn't mean game devs should have to read it or put up with it though.
It's a pity that your examples were taken down, because they ably demonstrated that foul mouthed entitlement is a two way street.
Those quotes were taken down. OP quotes death threats and threats of . The only sane response is "that is messed up.". I have no idea why some people here just cant go for a normal response and have to turn it into a thing.
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This. All this "but I had it rough too!" crying is lame as heck. You dont threaten to kill or sexually assault people just because you dont like a new computer game. How hard can it be to be remotely normal, ...
How legit are these threats? Not very I would guess. Posting pictures of their family is way out of order. Where did those pictures come from? Possibly social media, taken by the family themselves. If you put yourself out into the public eye, especially when said public is paying for something you create and it doesn't live up to the hype then expect abuse. Sean Murray survived and NMS was a huge disappointment. Let's pray for Croberts shall we. I think he may need it in a few years.
Not that I recall specifically but I read a few articles on the horror story that is the American game industry.
Its hard to say some dangerous people tend to sound exactly like children having tantrums which is what the vast majority of this is (because mentally they are) they are just bigger. No real way to be sure if its on the internet. The best thing to do if it gets out of hand is pass it all on to the cops without taking any of it seriously and let them risk assess it all for you.
There was somebody threatened NMS staff he would go round there with a rifle after they announced a delay and the cops got called in, but that turned out to be just some kid with issues IIRC.
I d say because a "professional" knows how to handle toxicity and personal attacks, probably expects it AND has the knowledge to deflect or defend against it, mentally and physically. Doxxing and cyber bullying happen but its against the law so you have tools at your disposal. I often get into arguments with "that one" friend of mine who is a bit naive (and young....) and thinks that because bad things happen in the world everybody is "okay" with it...be it physical abuse/threat or just toxic behavior. My stand in this is that you do have laws and rules but they usually go into action or take effect "after the incident"..they do next to nothing to protect you in "the now" or prevent something to happen. Well...they do act as deterrents but when you are facing a 7foot gorilla threatening you with physical violence because he is on steroids and you looked at him funny "standing your ground" is a bit silly even tho you are in the right. The aftermath will see the law on your side but you have to deal with a broken face...worth it? I dont know....
The internet is a really wild place. Thats why spreading your information on various platforms is so daft to me...yet people do it willingly then cry doxxing when somebody "connects the dots".
Most people seem to believe that the net gives them complete anonymity or that hiding behind a name or avatar empowers them to release their dark side. Happens every day....everywhere. Cyber laws are a bit behind actual RL laws but they are getting there. In the meantime common sense and learning how to protect yourself has the same priority as it has in the real world. Dynamics in relationships and communication are also very different when you are acting in a face-less/phyiscal-less environment as the internet. If you would have reservations from calling somebody "an idiot" to his face when standing right in front of him those reservations (probably) go right out the window when you encounter a random name somewhere on the net.
The world is full of sick individuals....you can whine about it sure but thats a bit useless IMO. It wont change the fact. We either change the environment to prevent these things (security, control, surveillance you name it) or change our own approach.
Another aspect is that the internet is an international place allowing individuals with very different social norms to interact with each other which is the same as throwing dogs and cats into a sack. Somebody behaving "reserved" for his own standard can come across like as a complete toxic jerk to others. Sometimes realizing you talk to an actual female or just a female name on the user handle is enough to trigger people.
You cannot satisfy everybody and some people will take the slightest affront to fly into a rage. Whenever you use the internet as an advertising platform or expose yourself to it thats something you simply have to know and anticipate
So things will not change in the forseeable future. This is not an "I m okay with the current status quo" post like my "one friend" would now say. Its just that I realize that I am powerless in this. I cannot control nor change other people nor do I have the right to do so. There are however limits to whats allowed, in real life and the internet. If these limits are reached or broken you have to trust into the system or use provided tools to protect yourself. In the meantime I will try to uphold my OWN behavior and respect to others....even tho its damn hard sometimes especially when you are confronted with trolls whos only goal is to "get under your skin" and who dont care about the message.
IMO even tho we love our kids and dont wish them any harm when it comes to the internet we act like several centuries in the past and simply drop em in cold water and walk away, they will learn to swim or go under. I guess cyber law and enforcement will catch up at some point. Right now the whole system is based on trust (trust that people know to behave" which gets more and more abused muddying the waters for everybody in the process.
Taking your message I could say that Developers have to handle this exactly as you did with your job. Identify the 99% and dont give a crap...it ll be thrown at them anyway just like you had to handle these 99% which you simply disregarded. That YOU specifically "shouldnt have to endure them" in the first place is not the issue. It will happen, it "comes with the territory". And the "limits" you mention are in place and can be acted upon. Dont really see the issue here....
I can't agree game devs don't operate even remotely in that area, nobody has the right to treat them badly and simply expect them to put up with it. Anyone sending threats/real abuse should bear in mind that their door being taken off its hinges without warning definitely goes with the territory.
Of course not, and people having the "right" to behave this way or not isnt even the issue or topic. But like everywhere else and I mean EVERYWHERE you have a few select individuals who feel entitled are incapable of staying respectful or simply want to vent aka behaving like jerks that you have to put up with. Its a tiny minority acting in a capacity that make it appear like its "everybody" when thats not the case. Because as long as these developers can be reached online, are at the forefront of a game or being put up on display by their companies these things will happen. I dont agree with it but I cannot change how some sick individuals act. We gonna have to trust in the system or create an environment that enforces protection for them. And again change must come from the people who can actually provide change. In this case it would be the companies job to ensure their employees are not harassed. And of course you have a few cases where you can go directly to the police and make a report
When we are talking about poor devs getting abuse, take a moment to consider the affected deafness displayed towards people unhappy with the new exploration changes. Oh its all so terrible when one of them hears some naughty words, we are supposed to care. But an unhappy customer? Perfectly acceptable to act like they dont exist. Abuse comes in many forms.
Are you really suggesting that Fdev has been abusive with the way they've introduced and communicated the new exploration changes?
You'll not find any whinge threads about the FSS that don't contain dev bashing. Of course they don't waste time responding to them, they are right not to.
No, they are doing it quite right, I think. Most comms goes through "certified channels" without random staff hanging their rear out of a window and farting wildly around.