Newcomer / Intro Bounties lost when ship destroyed?

[Kuroshio]

Going by the in-game evidence, the ED universe is actually more coherent if long-range FTL communication doesn't exist, with the exception of GalNet (though even that might be courier-based). Remember the lack of real time trade data.

With that in mind, it would make more sense if the KWS hacked the target's computer, which knows about outstanding bounties. The description says otherwise, I know, but it begs the question why a data link has to be closer to the target than a standard scanner. Looking things up usually doesn't require proximity, and standard sensors can clearly identify a ship from further out - their local wanted status something you could look up at the same WLAN that broadcasts station positions.

 

[Narius Cen]

Your logic is fine, but it's just not how it is in game. I don't think FD have explicitly said the bounties are stored on your on-board computer only; and are lost if you get destroyed before you can get somewhere to claim them; but the way they have implemented it, exactly the same as exploration data I think you have to presume that's what they meant.

It's not my logic, it is how it is in the game. Bounties work exactly the opposite as exploration data: exploration credit is only awarded when you sell the data. Bounty kill credit is awarded the moment you kill the target. When you claim it is up to you, but you got credit for the kill.

The information about the bounty is transmitted to you via an interstellar communication network, they have said this much; what they haven't said is that the proof that you killed the wanted pilot, which is what you need to claim the bounty, is transmitted via the same network. You're assuming that because you can find out if a ship is wanted remotely you can use that same network to confirm to the authorities that you have indeed killed it, but even if logically you have a point, FD have never confirmed this and it doesn't match what actually happens in-game.

That is what I have beek asking for, either an explanation or official commentary if it exists.

Perhaps for an in-game explanation, the authorities have decided that network communications are too easy to falsify, they want to see some kind of black-box information on your ship which can't be falsified (because reasons) before they'll pay you for your kill.

Please don't make up your own assumptions, they don't help anyone. An in-game explanation (or dev commentary) is exactly what I am looking for, but this the opposite of an in-game explanation as you just thought of it yourself . Anyone - including me! - can make up explanations, but for this I am only interested in official sources for what's happening in the game world.

Anyway, what is in the game is an online, realtime system. Bounty status changes as it things happen, you can see this when scanning and you can see it if you incur a bounty yourself. Compare and contrast this with exploration data, where if you explore a system and another CMDR explores it after you but returns the data first, they get the credit. Bounties and exploration data are two very different and self-consistent system - consistent with the exception of losing the already awarded bounty credit on ship destruction. Last bit not least, when you buy a new ship you of course keep any bounties that you haven't cashed in. Bounties have nothing to do with your ship whatsoever; they are a record of your actions. There is no reason given why they are being deleted, and if deletion is intentional it is not happening using one of the mechanisms that exist in the game world to handle similar cases (for example kill missions)

If anyone has to offer a serious comment please do, otherwise I would appreciate if you didn't take this thread off-topic. Thanks.

 

[Evyl Minkey]

The source is the game itself. The way bounties work but also your ship's computer. Get a KWS and you can see it.

I didn't say the devs have commented on that at all - I said that dev comments is what I am looking for.

At the top of this page you said

I am. Just ask my no-so-happy insurance agent. Or the developers who have said that much

I thought you were saying the devs have commented because you said it has been confirmed by " the developers who have said that much". Now I realise you are just putting your own interpretation on things. That's ok. The mechanic is fine.

 

[Kuroshio]

I'm sorry, but your logic is flawed: Exploration and bounties actually work by the same rules:

Discoveries: Scan a system - ship records it ("x astronomical objects disco'd", it doesn't show you the info, though - dock with a LAN and get credit. (First discovery bonus only when UC's database has no data on it.)

Bounties: Kill a wanted target - ship records it ("bounty awarded", transactions tab) - dock and connect to LAN and get credit when local Law Enforcement has data on the target.

Ship destruction: Data and credits lost in both cases.

Sounds like a consistent system to me.

 

[Not Registered]

I am not sure logic comes into FD.

I can kill (sorry eject) an NPC after destroying their ship and immediately get a raise in rank.

I understand the search to understand the mechanics of the game. Please do not call it logical, reasonable or even understandable, I do not think they want us to understand if we did they would not be able to change it without having to admit it was wrong.

 

[Kuroshio]

But... But Watsonian explanations are much more fun...

 

[Narius Cen]

At the top of this page you said

I thought you were saying the devs have commented because you said it has been confirmed by " the developers who have said that much". Now I realise you are just putting your own interpretation on things. That's ok. The mechanic is fine.

I realize that you guys are trolls, but for the benefit of anyone only reading the last post: he is quoting out of context. "The developers who have said that much" was from a reply about escape pods vs magical reincarnation.
If you don't want to scroll up, here is the link to the actual post : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1899927#post1899927 and here is the original post claiming that you die instead of ejecting: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1899705#post1899705

 

[carlisle]

It's not my logic, it is how it is in the game. Bounties work exactly the opposite as exploration data: exploration credit is only awarded when you sell the data. Bounty kill credit is awarded the moment you kill the target. When you claim it is up to you, but you got credit for the kill.



That is what I have beek asking for, either an explanation or official commentary if it exists.



Please don't make up your own assumptions, they don't help anyone. An in-game explanation (or dev commentary) is exactly what I am looking for, but this the opposite of an in-game explanation as you just thought of it yourself . Anyone - including me! - can make up explanations, but for this I am only interested in official sources for what's happening in the game world.

Anyway, what is in the game is an online, realtime system. Bounty status changes as it things happen, you can see this when scanning and you can see it if you incur a bounty yourself. Compare and contrast this with exploration data, where if you explore a system and another CMDR explores it after you but returns the data first, they get the credit. Bounties and exploration data are two very different and self-consistent system - consistent with the exception of losing the already awarded bounty credit on ship destruction. Last bit not least, when you buy a new ship you of course keep any bounties that you haven't cashed in. Bounties have nothing to do with your ship whatsoever; they are a record of your actions. There is no reason given why they are being deleted, and if deletion is intentional it is not happening using one of the mechanisms that exist in the game world to handle similar cases (for example kill missions)

If anyone has to offer a serious comment please do, otherwise I would appreciate if you didn't take this thread off-topic. Thanks.

OK that was uncalled for! If you don't want anyone's input why bother starting a thread?

You asked if there was a good reason confirmed by the devs as to why bounties were lost when your ship was destroyed, and put your own argument as to why it made no sense... but the fact is that if you get destroyed you do lose your bounties and the developers haven't made any real attempt to explain it other than the fact it makes for better gameplay. People have come along with their own ideas as to why it might be, and every single one you've responded with a wall of snark and hostility.

Everyone else, don't bother responding to this joker, he's just trolling and his pathetic attempts to confuse and confound those who have taken the time to respond to him aren't worth a minute of anyone else's time.

 

[Not Registered]

Will do Carlisle, but its a shame to ignore people who come out with gems such as;-

" I am going with how the game world works".
but also complain about how the game works.

I like these threads. the OP has no idea that we are laughing at him/her.( it will be a he)

 

[Narius Cen]

OK that was uncalled for! If you don't want anyone's input why bother starting a thread?

You asked if there was a good reason confirmed by the devs as to why bounties were lost when your ship was destroyed, and put your own argument as to why it made no sense... but the fact is that if you get destroyed you do lose your bounties and the developers haven't made any real attempt to explain it other than the fact it makes for better gameplay. People have come along with their own ideas as to why it might be, and every single one you've responded with a wall of snark and hostility.

Everyone else, don't bother responding to this joker, he's just trolling and his pathetic attempts to confuse and confound those who have taken the time to respond to him aren't worth a minute of anyone else's time.

I don't care much for your attitude but I will reply.

If you want to provide input, why not bother reading the thread?

Where is the snark and hostility exactly?

I asked for something yes. Some people provided their own theories which, while welcome, they weren't what I was asking about. As this went on for several posts, I politely explained what I was looking for and what I wasn't. Then the trolls came.

Wouldn't you know, some immature people can't accept that when I am asking about in game or developer sources, what they make up in their imagination is not a valid reply.

When you calm down you can read the thread again and possibly contribute with an actual reply if you have one, they are still welcome. If you don't have an actual reply that doesn't mean that I am attacking you, so don't feel the need to defend yourself.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Stop bickering!

This means following the forum rules and reply to the points being made, and not attack the poster.

Thank you.

 

[paul1828]

Stop bickering!



This means following the forum rules and reply to the points being made, and not attack the poster.

Thank you.

agree ... What was this thread about ??? Lol

 

[Kuroshio]

Best I could find on a short notice is this comment from Sandro:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50463&page=8&p=662384&viewfull=1#post662384

No in-game reason given, but clearly stated that FTL comms are not used for vouchers, plus Doylist explanation why.

 

[Not Registered]

Trying my hand at bounty hunting, eventually I bit off more than I could chew. My ship was destroyed but at least I had some bounties to collect back in the starbase - or so I thought.

Exploration data getting lost when your ship is destroyed makes sense, but bounties? The guy is dead and the kill is recorded to you. You have tagged them and bagged them, how can the bounty be deleted? Am I missing something?

In line with Ian's request and your submission's. I have re read the your first question. the answer is, no you are not missing anything

 

[carlisle]

I don't care much for your attitude but I will reply.

If you want to provide input, why not bother reading the thread?

Where is the snark and hostility exactly?

I asked for something yes. Some people provided their own theories which, while welcome, they weren't what I was asking about. As this went on for several posts, I politely explained what I was looking for and what I wasn't. Then the trolls came.

Wouldn't you know, some immature people can't accept that when I am asking about in game or developer sources, what they make up in their imagination is not a valid reply.

When you calm down you can read the thread again and possibly contribute with an actual reply if you have one, they are still welcome. If you don't have an actual reply that doesn't mean that I am attacking you, so don't feel the need to defend yourself.

I gave you an reply and you accused me of not having read the thread and told me my input wasn't welcome.

I can't come up with an actual reply because you didn't ask a meaningful question. You asked for something that nobody has been able to find and might not even exist, therefore people gave their own replies, they gave some good responses but you accused them of being trolls because they didn't answer your question directly. You may have started the thread but you don't own it so they're perfectly welcome to offer their own insight whether you like it or not. You accused NotRegistered of being passive-aggressive, when if you go back and read what they actually wrote is a frankly ridiculous thing to think.

As DoubtoutLoud has said, the closest the devs have come to giving a reason why bounties are lost on death and can't just be claimed using the same system you use to find the bounties in the first place is that they have confirmed bounty vouchers can't be cashed using that system. My theory was that maybe the authorities feel that can be easily faked in a way that can't be done if you turn up in person to provide evidence of the kill. You didn't like that, and rather than offer a counter-argument you simply told me my views weren't wanted and accused me of trying to derail your precious topic.

 

[Narius Cen]

I gave you an actual reply and you accused me of not having read the thread and told me my input wasn't welcome.

Present company excepted I don't see any trolls on here

There's no point trying to come up with an actual reply to you because none of the good replies other people have given you have been acceptable to you.

The only reason nobody has properly answered your question yet is because you didn't ask a meaningful question, therefore people gave their own replies, you may have started the thread but you don't own it so they're perfectly welcome to offer their own insight whether you like it or not.

No actual reply was given after I made my quesition more specific. You just gave an imaginary explanation. Nothing wrong with that, but when I reminded you that I am not looking for imaginary explanations you act offended? That tells me your post was deliberate, especialy as you were quoting my question in that same post.

Yeah, if I am asking for in game sources or developer's comments, an explanation off the top of your head is not what I am looking for. Why did that upset you so much?

I don't see the other trolls either, just you. The ignore function works wonders!

 

[carlisle]

No actual reply was given after I made my quesition more specific. You just gave an imaginary explanation. Nothing wrong with that, but when I reminded you that I am not looking for imaginary explanations you act offended? That tells me your post was deliberate, especialy as you were quoting my question in that same post.

Yeah, if I am asking for in game sources or developer's comments, an explanation off the top of your head is not what I am looking for. Why did that upset you so much?

I don't see the other trolls either, just you. The ignore function works wonders!

agh! :S just stop accusing other people of being trolls whenever you don't like their answers will you? We've been asked to play nice.

As DoubtOutLoud has pointed out, the closest the devs have come to giving a reason why bounties can't be claimed using the same system used by the KWS is a comment that vouchers simply can't be cashed in remotely the same way. This isn't much of a reason, but this being a game if something provides good gameplay they they will include it and then try and post-rationalise it, so your question becomes more one of 'how do we post rationalise that'.

My suggestion is that the authorities won't allow you to claim the bounty remotely because the proof would be easy to fake, therefore you must turn up in person. I'd be interested to know what you think besides just 'you is troll'.

 

[Narius Cen]

agh! :S just stop accusing other people of being trolls whenever you don't like their answers will you? We've been asked to play nice.

You have been asked to play nice and you have called me a troll in your very previous post. I only call people trolls when they deliberately misquote my posts and repeatedly try to derail the thread. Or when they call me a troll and ask me to not call them trolls. If I wasn't certain about you before, I am now!

Any mods reading feel free to lock this thread. From my part, I see no reason to keep it alive.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Any mods reading feel free to lock this thread. From my part, I see no reason to keep it alive.

Closed at the OP's request.