Horizons Bounty for defending myself - is this a bug?

Boothen

Boothen
Well, I thought I'd fire it up and see what today's patch as brought and if it's fixed the poorly paying missions thing. First though I think I'll just go for a quick fly to get my hand back in.

Within two minutes of entering supercruise I get interdicted by some NPC in a Viper III. I submit and once out of SC He starts shooting at me and I think 'fair enough matey, I'll have you'. I drop my throttle to 50%, spin my Cobra III around start shooting back. I receive a 200cr fine for firing back at him and a 5000Cr bounty on my head when I kill him for "murdering him". Which then causes the local authorities who have rocked up by now to scan me and start aggressing me. Thankfully I just about made it out with 3% hull left.

How the **** can it be considered a crime to shoot back at someone who interdicts you and starts shooting first?
 
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lokvette

lokvette
I've had a clean npc's interdict me before, I shot them after being shot at but didn't notice they were clean they were clean ..only happened once tho and it was after the latest patch..
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
I think this ..

Col Blair said:
He shot at you but didn't hit you or you turned off report crimes against me.
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And the 200cr fine issued IS a clue! (Stop shooting at that point? Red mist Cmdr?? :D).
Plus, it's ALWAYS worth checking their status, it only takes a sec ...

I wonder if faction rep might have a bearing sometimes. Maybe edge case, but example? Imagine if attacker has affiliation with controlling faction so 'gets away with' interdicting you, even a shot on target (he might even get a fine but that doesn't mean he got issued a bounty right away, and you can see this sort of effect with friendly fire in CZ's. Authorities let you get away with a couple of blue on blue impacts if you're allied). If in turn you're new in the system with no rep, authorities are much touchier towards you, and issue instant fine.

But we did just have a patch yesterday. Would keep an eye on it and not be against filing a bug report if you really can't explain what happened but check your targets anyway ..
 
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d8veh

d8veh
There's a bounty on you in another system. He's a clean bounty hunter with a KWS. He's seen the bounty and is going to take it. You have "report crimes against me" switched off, so when he shoots you, he stays clean. He will turn red when he shoots you. If you shoot him back, you get charged with assault because he's clean. You then killed him, so that becomes murder. You should have stopped shooting when you saw the assault charge!
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
Boothen said:
Well, I thought I'd fire it up and see what today's patch as brought and if it's fixed the poorly paying missions thing. First though I think I'll just go for a quick fly to get my hand back in.

Within two minutes of entering supercruise I get interdicted by some NPC in a Viper III. I submit and once out of SC He starts shooting at me and I think 'fair enough matey, I'll have you'. I drop my throttle to 50%, spin my Cobra III around start shooting back. I receive a 200cr fine for firing back at him and a 5000Cr bounty on my head when I kill him for "murdering him". Which then causes the local authorities who have rocked up by now to scan me and start aggressing me. Thankfully I just about made it out with 3% hull left.

How the **** can it be considered a crime to shoot back at someone who interdicts you and starts shooting first?
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Was it a bounty hunter?
Where you clean to begin with?

I hear some people talking about these weird anomalies, but I get the suspicion that something else is going on.
I am thinking more along the lines of user error.

I have been in thousands of these situations in nearly 2000 hours of playing time and never ever stuff like this happened to me.
If I got fined or got bounties on my head there was always an explanation.

I think you might have been wanted. Just have a look at your bounties.

But... of course you might be correct and a bug could exist.
In that case report the bug.
But do have a look at your bounties first.
And check the "report crimes setting" in the setup.
If you were already wanted prior to the attack then you might have two separate bounties on your head now.


EDIT: I see d8veh already explained about the "report crimes setting".
 
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EUS

EUS
d8veh said:
There's a bounty on you in another system. He's a clean bounty hunter with a KWS. He's seen the bounty and is going to take it. You have "report crimes against me" switched off, so when he shoots you, he stays clean. He will turn red when he shoots you. If you shoot him back, you get charged with assault because he's clean. You then killed him, so that becomes murder. You should have stopped shooting when you saw the assault charge!
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Has this changed? I understood that you use the KWS to see the bounties, but if the player's wanted somewhere else, but not wanted in the current system, you could not light him up, unless you're currently in an anarchy system.
 

Boothen

Boothen
I was totally clean, no bounties on me whatsoever. And yes, he was 'Wanted', and I always scan before shooting. I learned that lesson ages ago.
 

Tryst

Tryst
I've just had the same with a skimmer that shot at me. I wasn't in the red box but it shot at me anyway and the only thing I could do in my SRV was shoot back. I got a 1,000 fine for destroying it.

Worse still:

Got back to the station but had now way to pay the fine, nothing showed up on the contacts board at the port. Thought maybe I had to go to another station to pay it so I undocked and went to another part of the planet to do some more prospecting. After an hour or two, I returned with my ship to the same port and requested docking clearance. Just as I was dropping down onto the pad, the stations guns opened up on me. Luckily, I only use a sidewinder to go prospecting with the SRV, I would have been a bit more annoyed if it had been my Python with a 5 million buyback.

What gets me is that it clearly stated on the left screen that it was on h-jump so I should have been able to land and pay it off without being shot at by the station so long as I stayed in the system. However, when I did try to pay it, the fine didn't even show up.
 
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Faded Glory

Faded Glory
Tryst said:
What gets me is that it clearly stated on the left screen that it was on h-jump so I should have been able to land and pay it off without being shot at by the station so long as I stayed in the system. However, when I did try to pay it, the fine didn't even show up.
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"On H-Jump" means you must leave the system for the wanted status to clear even though the bounty timer has reached zero. I can only presume you didn't. Once you do that, you can jump back in immediately and you will be clean with simply a legacy fine to pay off if you wish.

The reason it didn't show up previously is that it was technically still a bounty (you were still wanted), even though the timer had reached zero. Bounties cannot be paid off, ever.
 

Tryst

Tryst
Faded Glory said:
"On H-Jump" means you must leave the system for the wanted status to clear even though the bounty timer has reached zero. I can only presume you didn't. Once you do that, you can jump back in immediately and you will be clean with simply a legacy fine to pay off if you wish.

The reason it didn't show up previously is that it was technically still a bounty (you were still wanted), even though the timer had reached zero. Bounties cannot be paid off, ever.
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Then it needs to be made clearer. I presumed it meant that it activated if you left the system which would be a precaution against someone running off without paying it.
 

d8veh

d8veh
EUS said:
Has this changed? I understood that you use the KWS to see the bounties, but if the player's wanted somewhere else, but not wanted in the current system, you could not light him up, unless you're currently in an anarchy system.
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Nothing has changed. You're correct. Normally the bounty hunter would be commiting a crime, but OP must have had report crimes switched off, which makes him fair game.

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Boothen said:
I was totally clean, no bounties on me whatsoever. And yes, he was 'Wanted', and I always scan before shooting. I learned that lesson ages ago.
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No bounties in other systems?

If not, then you shot him before he was confirmed as wanted.
 
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Faded Glory

Faded Glory
Tryst said:
Then it needs to be made clearer. I presumed it meant that it activated if you left the system which would be a precaution against someone running off without paying it.
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I gather the idea behind it is that say you have a bounty (400 credits for assault) with a timer of 7 minutes. You are wanted. You are flying around the system, and a bounty hunter decides they like the idea of your bounty, so they attack you and it's been six minutes. The fight continues, your timer goes to zero... If you were to suddenly become not wanted, the bounty hunter would suddenly find themselves becoming wanted because they are now attacking a clean ship, so the mechanism is, if you are wanted in a system, you must leave that system or be out of that system when the timer reaches zero for your wanted status to be cleared.

As to running off without paying it... You cannot ever pay off a bounty of any kind. Ever. When a bounty timer reaches zero and your wanted status clears (by leaving or being out of the system where you have the bounty) it will become a legacy fine, and at that point you can, if you wish pay it off. Technically it's not necessary to pay it off as unlike normal fines which become bounties if you don't pay them, a legacy fine does not. The only possible repercussion of having a legacy fine is that if you were to be destroyed and re-spawn in the system where you have the fine, it will be added to your re-buy.
 
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