(BUG) Taking damage when lifting from landing pad

wrr377

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I am flying a Cutter stuffed with cargo bays, an Advanced Docking Computer, and without shields (for the extra cargo space), for the Community Goal of delivering food items to Sirius.

Every time I auto-launch from a landing pad, I take hull damage AS SOON AS my landing gears are retracted. This happens with or without cargo, and at different ports / star bases and landing pads.. I have used the Cutter before without shields and had no issues, but this just started today.

EDIT The instant hull damage occurred at both Farseer, Inc in Deciat, and Mansfield Orbiter in Epsilon Indi. It DOES NOT occur at the Spirit of Laelaps in Sirius.
 
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Speedcuffs

Speedcuffs
I've been having this for a while (but intermittent), I think it's a known issue, might still be an open bug report on the issue tracker.
 

finglonger

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#me to

iirc it only happens with larger ships ie T9 and cutter when launching, also while trying to fly in through the slot the hull will get grazed

funnily enough it only recall the launch swipe happening inside stations not on external platforms\ship
 

wrr377

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finglonger said:
funnily enough it only recall the launch swipe happening inside stations not on external platforms\ship
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That's the thing - so far, it has happened at a starport (Mansfield) and a planetary landing pad (Farseer), but not on the fleet carrier (Laelaps) in Sirius.
 

Tennozan

Tennozan
Ouch. When I'm in my Corvette or Beluga Liner, and hands-off with the Advanced Docking Computer, I've been scraped up against a few station parts. Fortunately, I have shields on both so no damage. Probably happened a dozen times so far. Last week my Corvette hit a large feature inside a station pretty hard, and I actually winced as I thought the station would light me up with defensive fire. But thankfully, no body noticed.
 

Templar01

Templar01
finglonger said:
#me to

iirc it only happens with larger ships ie T9 and cutter when launching, also while trying to fly in through the slot the hull will get grazed

funnily enough it only recall the launch swipe happening inside stations not on external platforms\ship
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I can confirm that. It happens even on ships only as large as Anaconda's and I can reproduce it 90% of the time. My jumpaconda as an example, for which I'll ditch shields, will always experience docking damage when on autodock. If I pilot the ship myself, I never have this problem.

I assumed it was part of the game dynamic. If you ever spoken to a professional freight captain in the real world, they cuss out the harbor pilots in 3rd world ports. The harbor pilot is supposed to be the guy who knows the harbor and where all the hazards are. In the real world, Ship's Captains are required to yield the helm to the harbor pilot who takes command of the bridge. He's supposed to be the guy to take your boat into dock safely. Unfortunately, most don't know how to properly pilot a big ships. So I always assumed that in ED, they were trying to recreate this real world analog of giving over autodocking to an incompetent local yocal who doesn't give jack sh*t whether or not he scrapes your hull paint.

At any rate, it's a theory. :unsure:
 

wrr377

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I'm not talking about getting my belly or head scraped being pulled or pushed through the mail slot. It happens to all sorts of ships, and has to every single larger ship I own...

This happens when I am already docked, and launch from the landing pad. It happens INSTANTLY (as soon as my landing gear is retracted) either to the right wing nacelle's wing-joint area or the center-rear underside of the ship, before I am moved ANY direction except UP! How can my ship get damaged in a COMPLETELY OPEN AREA, on a flat, featureless landing pad IT IS JUST LIFTING OFF FROM?! :mad:
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
wrr377 said:
before I am moved ANY direction except UP!
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Hmmm... you said you fly a Cutter. That means a large pad. Large pads are only to be found inside big stations. These big stations rotate - in case you didn't notice, switch off "rotational correction" in your right HUD. I'd suggest to use a cheap ship, though, if you try this for the first time :devilish:.

Anywho, my point is: when transitioning from being landed on the pad to hovering above it, your ship needs to accelerate sideways to match the station's rotation. Especially in large, bumbling ships, this matching to the station's takes some finite time. Time enough to bang your landing struts against any parts of the spaceport's structure - or alternatively, bend/stress them while still on the pad.
 

Neilski

Neilski
Ashnak said:
Hmmm... you said you fly a Cutter. That means a large pad. Large pads are only to be found inside big stations. These big stations rotate - in case you didn't notice, switch off "rotational correction" in your right HUD. I'd suggest to use a cheap ship, though, if you try this for the first time :devilish:.

Anywho, my point is: when transitioning from being landed on the pad to hovering above it, your ship needs to accelerate sideways to match the station's rotation. Especially in large, bumbling ships, this matching to the station's takes some finite time. Time enough to bang your landing struts against any parts of the spaceport's structure - or alternatively, bend/stress them while still on the pad.
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Hehe, nice try, but it's not like the docking clamp release will be catching the ship unawares. It's still a bug :)
 

finglonger

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wrr377 said:
I'm not talking about getting my belly or head scraped being pulled or pushed through the mail slot. It happens to all sorts of ships, and has to every single larger ship I own
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yes its a bug, one of many issues with the docking computer. only thing you can do is file a bug report if a report for the same issue hasnt arleady been reported, vote for fixes where (if) you can and update raised reports so theyll move up the priority list for fix, more people who say i have this issue more likely theyll fix.. saying i have this issue or voting is better than raising another issue for the same bug

just search docking computer here ;)

Issue Tracker

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STRONTIUM DOG

STRONTIUM DOG
alternatively do a zaphod beeblebrox an take an axe to that docking computer
free up some space and take piloting back to its roots ya lazy dogs...……………..
personally I have never used one and no problems so far
 

Neilski

Neilski
STRONTIUM DOG said:
alternatively do a zaphod beeblebrox an take an axe to that docking computer
free up some space and take piloting back to its roots ya lazy dogs...……………..
personally I have never used one and no problems so far
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Well, I have clear memories of hull damage on clamp release from before the ADC was a thing, so no auto launch. Easily verified later though.
 

wrr377

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STRONTIUM DOG said:
what really are we talking insignificant 10 cred paint flake here or notable hull damage value
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It doesn't matter HOW much damage is done (and on the Cutter, it is thousands of credits' worth of damage) - the issue is that it happens AT ALL!

It means either bad coding (bug) or geometry interference (ship / station design), since it happens REGARDLESS of whether there is an ADC in use or not. Because it has happened for years and is a known bug (at least to the players), then Frontier needs to find the issue and stomp it out, along with all the other bugs, before bringing something with even MORE bugs (Odyssey) into the mix!

...and since it occurs regardless of an ADC, the docking elitists need to shut their traps and GTFA.
 
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varonica

varonica
Neilski said:
Not sure what you mean here. The damage occurs without even touching the controls...
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I had it happen to me once and afterwards I realised the joystick throttle had gone out of calibration and was still registering a small forward thrust even when on zero, this would disable auto-launch, which I rarely ever use, and run me against the obstructions at the end of the pad, but that sort of thing is pretty noticeable so I doubt it's that!
 

STRONTIUM DOG

STRONTIUM DOG
oh alrighty then when you put it like that I am not elitist sure use DC by all means I just want to know what causes the problem for you
and that by may be using the process of elimination find the cause ie flight landing overrides docking computers or just a plain old bug etc
now I couldnt give a monkeys toss so good luck with that
 
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SMcA

SMcA
varonica said:
I had it happen to me once and afterwards I realised the joystick throttle had gone out of calibration and was still registering a small forward thrust even when on zero, this would disable auto-launch, which I rarely ever use, and run me against the obstructions at the end of the pad, but that sort of thing is pretty noticeable so I doubt it's that!
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Me too, only throttle set to "Full Welly" and a lot of noise in the background. :)
 
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