Building a house

Jason S

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With X amount of time and finances you could

1) Build decent foundations, solid walls and weather proof roof.

Or

2) Have earth foundations, thin walls and plastic sheets for the roof, but fill with lots of lovely furniture.


I know which I would prefer to do.

In time FD will move the furniture in and at least it will all hold together when they do.

There are a lot of complaining threads and people have a right to point out what should be in the game, but FD is a company and they needed to release when they did to keep the companies staff paid so they can continue on it.

I am hopeful that the future could be very strong for this game in say a couple of years.

At the moment I am enjoying what is there as it is so well done and I just keep thinking wow that is cool.
 

Ghostickles

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Sorry, having built homes I have to say no, you cant just do that thing with earth foundations, thin walls and plastic roofs. We have building codes, we have approved building materials. I am not saying its a bad analogy, just unrealistic. These guys have been doing a great job building their game 'to code' and its evident, but there is more work to do. Just because you pass the framing inspection doesn't mean electric and plumbing are finished. Furniture is supplied by the homeowner, not the builder. Elite still has some plumbing and electric to finish, but that's all dry work and while they have done a good job so far please don't encourage people to build homes willy-nilly. People die in poorly constructed structures all the time, and we have codes to mitigate that.
 

Adrian Steel

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Ghostickles said:
Sorry, having built homes I have to say no, you cant just do that thing with earth foundations, thin walls and plastic roofs. We have building codes, we have approved building materials. I am not saying its a bad analogy, just unrealistic. These guys have been doing a great job building their game 'to code' and its evident, but there is more work to do. Just because you pass the framing inspection doesn't mean electric and plumbing are finished. Furniture is supplied by the homeowner, not the builder. Elite still has some plumbing and electric to finish, but that's all dry work and while they have done a good job so far please don't encourage people to build homes willy-nilly. People die in poorly constructed structures all the time, and we have codes to mitigate that.
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Not sure if concern-trolling or serious.
 

Hamerstein

Hamerstein
Adrian Steel said:
Not sure if concern-trolling or serious.
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I think there was an analogy hidden there within the satire. ED isn't even a house yet, it has structure, but it's missing it's mod cons - water, electricity, heating. Adding furnishings would make it personalised (a home) but it needs the mod cons first.

In game terms, you could play in it, but it's neither comfortable nor particularly welcoming to the uninitiated. You can be assured that it's not going to fall down around your ears though and with some tolerance and ingenuity you can make do until the contractors finish doing the necessaries.
 

Ghostickles

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Hamerstein said:
I think there was an analogy hidden there within the satire. ED isn't even a house yet, it has structure, but it's missing it's mod cons - water, electricity, heating. Adding furnishings would make it personalised (a home) but it needs the mod cons first.

In game terms, you could play in it, but it's neither comfortable nor particularly welcoming to the uninitiated. You can be assured that it's not going to fall down around your ears though and with some tolerance and ingenuity you can make do until the contractors finish doing the necessaries.
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Some one smells what I am stepping in. :)
 

Stein

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To continue the analogy - even if you have built your foundations rock solid of steel and concrete, and a roof of submarine quality, you're still not in the clear. If all your furniture rolls to one side of the house because the floor is not level, you're in big trouble.
By this I mean that there may be certain design choices - such as the integration and use of USS in missions, the uselessness of planets, and the general feeling of randomness and repetition - that might be difficult to built upon without major changes.
 

Ghostickles

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You guys are bad at this, and I blame Home Depot and the DIY network.
If your foundation is off it will not pass inspection, and your carpenter will throw a tissy, this is bjorked analogy. :)
Better to say that perhaps the walls are ICF (foam and concrete) rather than a traditional wood frame. This means anchoring additional backing is required for fixtures and mechanicals, adding 'more' work than you would have with wood.
The game can still have what other games do, it will just take some extra work on the devs part than if other designs were employed.

Please let me kow if you intend to do any construction in the future. I could use the work. :)
 

noodle

noodle
Jason S said:
People may post opinions in forums. It is one of the forums prime objectives.
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Same opinion over and over and over and over gets a bit dull. Maybe use one of the (many) existing threads rather than starting another one on the same topic?
 

Alric

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It's a fair point, but the flaw in this analogy, from the point of view of many who are concerned, is in the first line.

"With X amount of time and finances you could"

When you want a house built, you don't say to the builder right, you have this amount of money and this amount of time, see how much you can build.
Likewise, when people get behind a game, they're getting behind a finished product, not a coding jam. You're not looking for someone to say they will do as much as they can by December 2014, you're looking for someone who makes a great game. Just like with the house, if that's going to take longer you want to be told how long, not delivered the unfinished project at the original date.

So the launch date is something they had control of not a fixed target. I think we all hoped with Kickstarter/self-publishing, that they would avoid the usual pressure to release before ready.
 
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