Building stealer

[AbsoluT]

Hello, just a small message to say that there is a small character who plays on planet coaster who has been post for several months in the workshop of blueprints that contain 99% of buildings that belong to other creators so basically it seeks to get of recognition by publishing coasters containing content stolen or modified slightly, all he is capable of is to create a blank wall xD ... He had stolen part of one of my creations many months ago and Steam deleted them (he then came to insult me ​​by email, because yes apparently he has my email ...)
But apparently he did not understand the lesson and he starts again with other creations of different people.

So if you see blueprints of a certain * cjans * it is a thief and please do not encourage this kind of behavior. (And if you doubt what I say, watch 99% of the buildings and scenery of its blueprints, come from the workshop with a little research you will see)

 

[gametimeuk]

so i am not the only person who has had their work stolen and passed off as others works and we know this happens but there is no way to enforce this and as a community what we do is release our works that we have spent time on creating days weeks or months but there is no way to safeguard our creations from people and i know that it has made me cautious about uploading to the workshop i still have but it will happen what ever game but i didnt expect it to happen with this game but i dont know if there is anything that can be done about this as its steam platform we upload to

 

[Ramm]

please post a link to the original and then the said stolen workshop item so we can compare

I do hope you guys mean someone literally copying a coaster and selling it off as their own and not just a park that contains blueprints other people made because thats perfectly fine as long as you dont paint it off as your own

 

[AbsoluT]

please post a link to the original and then the said stolen workshop item so we can compare

I do hope you guys mean someone literally copying a coaster and selling it off as their own and not just a park that contains blueprints other people made because thats perfectly fine as long as you dont paint it off as your own

I will not spend my life looking for all the stolen creations in the workshop by that person, but I will post 2 or 3 examples when I have time, but you can be 100% sure of what I say and you can check by yourself with a little research we find quite easily

I think there needs to be a better system in place for people who share there work in the workshop to keep things like this from happening in the future.

Yes steam should put a system in place to counter this kind of thing

so i am not the only person who has had their work stolen and passed off as others works and we know this happens but there is no way to enforce this and as a community what we do is release our works that we have spent time on creating days weeks or months but there is no way to safeguard our creations from people and i know that it has made me cautious about uploading to the workshop i still have but it will happen what ever game but i didnt expect it to happen with this game but i dont know if there is anything that can be done about this as its steam platform we upload to

If someone has stolen or copied you can file a complaint with steam and normally they will remove the stolen content, the problem is that the person can at any time hand over the stolen content online, that is what the thief * cjans * did with my creation he handed the stolen content 3 x online he even made a youtube video with stolen content by putting a link in the description on the workshop ... he did not even was banned by Steam despite the insults written by email and in the comments on the workshop + the recidivism ...

 

[mbc]

Come on people, learn how business works today ...
Steam is NOT interested in customers, they are only interested in MONEY, especially in money THEY get, NOT you.
Removing all this Workshop-Stuff costs Steam money, so why should they do that ? Its all about making money.

Frontier protects his game with a protection against disassembling, Steam protects the game with DRM, so you cant play it forever if you have no internet-connection or Steam-Servers goes down one day.
That is what is important for them, because it is THEIR money that is lost by illegal copying.
So customers who paid, get punished because of that, but its ok for everyone, everyone buys this stuff and uses these systems.

They dont care about your little Workshop-Items, same with Youtube. You give away the copyrights to them by uploading YOUR stuff, they can do with it what they want, they can use it anywhere for free, and YOU never see any money for that.

They dont delete things UNTIL there is a violation against copyright of music- or video-labels, then they act immediatly and YOU have to pay 1000`s $ for a little "not-paid"-useage in your video (making free commercial for them by that way, but that dont care).

So ask yourself: Are you a company? If NO? ... sorry ...

They dont care about copyright of private people as long as they can make money with YOUR work.

Thats the point why I dont like Steam, neither Youtube, and I dont use it much because of this disrespectation and background.

The only solution that works: Dont use Steam-Workshop / Youtube ... but I know ... its sooooo good so you wont miss it even by getting stolen by them, same with Youtube ... thats todays people ... and thats the result if you dont do something for yourself, because of "lazyness".

My reply is not ment personally, but maybe some people got opened their eyes about this systems and those things noone will see because its all so handy, "easy" and comfortable ... thats the future, less people get rich and most people become poor, because of being dumb and not using their brain, or thinking one step further.

 

[Citytrader]

The easy answer here is just don't share your creations on Steam. Of course, we all enjoy sharing our creations, but if it bothers you that much, then don't.

 

[gametimeuk]

Come on people, learn how business works today ...
Steam is NOT interested in customers, they are only interested in MONEY, especially in money THEY get, NOT you.
Removing all this Workshop-Stuff costs Steam money, so why should they do that ? Its all about making money.

Frontier protects his game with a protection against disassembling, Steam protects the game with DRM, so you cant play it forever if you have no internet-connection or Steam-Servers goes down one day.
That is what is important for them, because it is THEIR money that is lost by illegal copying.
So customers who paid, get punished because of that, but its ok for everyone, everyone buys this stuff and uses these systems.

They dont care about your little Workshop-Items, same with Youtube. You give away the copyrights to them by uploading YOUR stuff, they can do with it what they want, they can use it anywhere for free, and YOU never see any money for that.

They dont delete things UNTIL there is a violation against copyright of music- or video-labels, then they act immediatly and YOU have to pay 1000`s $ for a little "not-paid"-useage in your video (making free commercial for them by that way, but that dont care).

So ask yourself: Are you a company? If NO? ... sorry ...

They dont care about copyright of private people as long as they can make money with YOUR work.

Thats the point why I dont like Steam, neither Youtube, and I dont use it much because of this disrespectation and background.

The only solution that works: Dont use Steam-Workshop / Youtube ... but I know ... its sooooo good so you wont miss it even by getting stolen by them, same with Youtube ... thats todays people ... and thats the result if you dont do something for yourself, because of "lazyness".

My reply is not ment personally, but maybe some people got opened their eyes about this systems and those things noone will see because its all so handy, "easy" and comfortable ... thats the future, less people get rich and most people become poor, because of being dumb and not using their brain, or thinking one step further.

your missing the point here basically coming in and running your mouth off.....of course i get how steam works and their workshop policy

oh so do you think some of the featured creators on the game would be happy to see their creations passed off as someone elses work i think not and people do spend hours on these if you actually sit there take time and build something that you want to share with others it should be able to have at least a sence of saftey knowing this and why bring in youtube in to this we were talking about workshop items so most of the stuff you just rambled about wasnt needed! and i do see your point/

 

[LN]

Sharing means others will use it and possibly share it on Steam.

But is publicly shaming the solution?

I still don't get why you take so much effort in this.

And search for Mario Kart. I see multiple tracks with the same items in it. So someone builds a ride, uses workshop items and shares it.
Wait, isn't Workshop all about sharing your creations for placement in other people's parks / rides.

So, I also use several items from the workshop in my parks. Share the park on the Workshop (although I do say in the description I have workshop Items).
Does that make me a stealer to?

 

[mbc]

your missing the point here basically coming in and running your mouth off.....of course i get how steam works and their workshop policy

oh so do you think some of the featured creators on the game would be happy to see their creations passed off as someone elses work i think not and people do spend hours on these if you actually sit there take time and build something that you want to share with others it should be able to have at least a sence of saftey knowing this and why bring in youtube in to this we were talking about workshop items so most of the stuff you just rambled about wasnt needed! and i do see your point/

I only tell the truth, because THAT is exactly what I mean. Many people live in another world today, full of "Facebook", "WhatsApp" and all the other things that are so "comfortable". They dont realize the real live and all its negative things anymore. If you point them to this they are directly (not allowed to use this phrase here) "wet" of. Today its forbitten to tell the truth, that why all runs badder every day. Specially people in the UK should know what I mean in these days.

I dont think thats its OK what this guy does, I think its a shame and I am standing 100% behind the TO. Also aecrouch2016 is completely right, there is another system needed, but that would cost THEM money, and dont make THEM something, so why should they do that ?

You can take a lawyer and get to court, why dont you ? He has stolen your work and not mentioned it. But btw: what does Steams policies say about uploading stuff there ?

The easy way that Frontier / Steam can do is: Let a user marks its Items as "unchangeable-item". If you download this Item into your own park, you can place it, but you cant change/edit it. If you upload this park with all the workshop-items included on steam, this park should be parsed by steam, and get all protected items, and list them in a "this item contains following workshop-items other users". By having an id on every item you could also do a direct link to the steampage of every workshop-item.

I am not only running of my mouth here, I am someone who brings critic in, but mostly can bring also a solution instead of only empty words. But at last its not me to change things. That can only be done if you put pressure on companys, and that is exactly what I tried to make clear with my post.
If no one uses Steam-Workshop-Items it would be much more possible that they make it possible that users can protect their stuff from beeing stolen al little bit more.

 

[AbsoluT]

I had time to do some screens on the last blueprint that he put online (cjans) but the list of stolen buildings is not exhaustive because it is quite difficult to find everything (the originals because of the very important number of creations in the workshop), but you can be sure that all the buildings present in this blueprint are stolen apart the building that covers the whole, which is all that this person knows how to do is to say its creativity level close to 0
When I have time I will do other screens.

Place screens, to laugh a little or cry.



When you remove the roof of this creation you see a set of buildings. All the buildings on the aerial view are stolen from various creators except the structure that engobe the whole but that does not resemble anything as you can see.


On this screen you can see two buildings that are stolen from the steam workshop and they belong to * SneakyP *



On this other screen you can see another building that was also stolen (and modified very slightly which initially belongs to * Svatlas *



The rest of the buildings are also stolen from the workshop if you want to find them, you have to search because it takes time and I will not spend my day doing it



A screen to laugh, cry, or cry to laugh


And the last screen that is funny too, he has created a youtube channel since deleting the content he had stolen from me with stolen content that was removed from his workshop (he had stolen much of my building)
With a link to his paypal account to make donations ...
I think we touched the bottom

 

[LN]

Yep, you are right. But he assembled an dark ride with several buildings from the workshop. He altered the buildings to his own taste. Clearly that is noticeable.

A couple of days work is somewhat a cryptic message. He still had to build the show building, the ride and change the items he downloaded from the internet so a couple of days (which could also imply 10 minutes per day) seems fair to me.

You are somewhat right in the fact it is shameful to do it this way. especially asking for donations (whoever gives money to people on YT is already silly IMHO, they should earn money from no. of views and likes).
At least he won't become a millionaire seeing the number of vies and likes for a video that is already 2,5 months old.

But in the wide aspect I am not sure if I have to be bothered by it. You just happened to come across 1 guy, but I bet there are way more than this one person and I believe this has become personal between you and him.

I say: Let it go.

I am not sure what you want to achieve here.

ps. the church indeed is looking a lot the same but still it could have been something even I could design this exact way. Although it is quite a big coincidence.

 

[tyczj]

If the issue here is that user took a bunch of blueprints to create a ride of his own using those blueprints then that's quite silly, just about everyone does this.

If they were downloading blueprints then just uploading them again as is under his own account unmodified then you could get upset but the way they are using them in what you showed there is nothing wrong with.

 

[AbsoluT]

If the issue here is that user took a bunch of blueprints to create a ride of his own using those blueprints then that's quite silly, just about everyone does this.

If they were downloading blueprints then just uploading them again as is under his own account unmodified then you could get upset but the way they are using them in what you showed there is nothing wrong with.

They have no right to take the work of others and publish it in the workshop without their consent, as there is a copyright. If you were a creator you would understand what we are talking about. Besides, these are Steam rules. If you want to create an anonymous park for your own pleasure, you can take in the workshop for it it is done for that but if you decide to make videos in your name or to publish stolen content to your name without mentioning it and without the consent of the person (especially the buildings) in order to make you money or glory is forbidden and it's normal.
It's the same everywhere.

And not everybody does not steal the content of others by publishing it later, it is a minority a very small minority

 

[Minnion]

Come on people, learn how business works today ...
Steam is NOT interested in customers, they are only interested in MONEY, especially in money THEY get, NOT you.
Removing all this Workshop-Stuff costs Steam money, so why should they do that ? Its all about making money.

Frontier protects his game with a protection against disassembling, Steam protects the game with DRM, so you cant play it forever if you have no internet-connection or Steam-Servers goes down one day.
That is what is important for them, because it is THEIR money that is lost by illegal copying.
So customers who paid, get punished because of that, but its ok for everyone, everyone buys this stuff and uses these systems.

They dont care about your little Workshop-Items, same with Youtube. You give away the copyrights to them by uploading YOUR stuff, they can do with it what they want, they can use it anywhere for free, and YOU never see any money for that.

They dont delete things UNTIL there is a violation against copyright of music- or video-labels, then they act immediatly and YOU have to pay 1000`s $ for a little "not-paid"-useage in your video (making free commercial for them by that way, but that dont care).

So ask yourself: Are you a company? If NO? ... sorry ...

They dont care about copyright of private people as long as they can make money with YOUR work.

Thats the point why I dont like Steam, neither Youtube, and I dont use it much because of this disrespectation and background.

The only solution that works: Dont use Steam-Workshop / Youtube ... but I know ... its sooooo good so you wont miss it even by getting stolen by them, same with Youtube ... thats todays people ... and thats the result if you dont do something for yourself, because of "lazyness".

My reply is not ment personally, but maybe some people got opened their eyes about this systems and those things noone will see because its all so handy, "easy" and comfortable ... thats the future, less people get rich and most people become poor, because of being dumb and not using their brain, or thinking one step further.

Well look at it this way then: Having ten identical copies of the same thing being sold as completely different products makes it harder to accurately gauge interest in the original, and clutters the 'storefront' making it less appealing to customers.(And by extension makes customers less likely to invest their money.)

 

[Citytrader]

Can we back up for just a moment and think clearly?

First, from the pictures you have posted, nowhere does he state that this log flume dark ride creation is 100% his. Of course, he also does not appear to acknowledge that he is using other people's work.

Second, he uses these structures that he downloaded off of the Steam site to decorate an original ride that he did in fact create. These structures were placed on the workshop for people to download and use. The fact that he may have altered a few of them for his own purposes or to fit the space in this ride is completely immaterial. Those objects were placed on the Workshop for exactly that purpose, to be used by other members. It might be rude to not acknowledge that some of the structures came from the workshop, but that in and of itself is not really that big a deal.

Lastly, the two of you keep going on and on about your creations being stolen. Nothing was stolen. You placed an item on a public swap site, and they may or may not have been downloaded and slightly altered. The buildings that are presented as evidence above are awfully simple structures that dozens if not hundreds of people have probably created the exact same structures. Also, you mention violation of copyright. YOU have no copyright to violate. The assets of the game are owned by Frontier, not you. They could make that claim against you, but you cannot make it against another member of a public sharing site.

I'll go back to my original statement. If you don't want people taking your stuff and using it in their creations in the first place, then why are earth are you sharing them?

 

[Chems]

If the issue here is that user took a bunch of blueprints to create a ride of his own using those blueprints then that's quite silly, just about everyone does this.

If they were downloading blueprints then just uploading them again as is under his own account unmodified then you could get upset but the way they are using them in what you showed there is nothing wrong with.

Agreed, although technically it is still against the Steam Subscriber Agreement. But this is a Steam issue, nothing Frontier can do about it. I read some suggestion to make workshop items un-editable but this goes against the idea of the game and renders most workshop items useless since editing them is often required to make them fit in your park.

 

[AbsoluT]

Can we back up for just a moment and think clearly?

First, from the pictures you have posted, nowhere does he state that this log flume dark ride creation is 100% his. Of course, he also does not appear to acknowledge that he is using other people's work.

Second, he uses these structures that he downloaded off of the Steam site to decorate an original ride that he did in fact create. These structures were placed on the workshop for people to download and use. The fact that he may have altered a few of them for his own purposes or to fit the space in this ride is completely immaterial. Those objects were placed on the Workshop for exactly that purpose, to be used by other members. It might be rude to not acknowledge that some of the structures came from the workshop, but that in and of itself is not really that big a deal.

Lastly, the two of you keep going on and on about your creations being stolen. Nothing was stolen. You placed an item on a public swap site, and they may or may not have been downloaded and slightly altered. The buildings that are presented as evidence above are awfully simple structures that dozens if not hundreds of people have probably created the exact same structures. Also, you mention violation of copyright. YOU have no copyright to violate. The assets of the game are owned by Frontier, not you. They could make that claim against you, but you cannot make it against another member of a public sharing site.

I'll go back to my original statement. If you don't want people taking your stuff and using it in their creations in the first place, then why are earth are you sharing them?

The rules are the rules, it's strange to see that you are using a platform in which you do not know the rules. A little honesty would be good

 

[shaneturner12]

They have no right to take the work of others and publish it in the workshop without their consent, as there is a copyright. If you were a creator you would understand what we are talking about. Besides, these are Steam rules. If you want to create an anonymous park for your own pleasure, you can take in the workshop for it it is done for that but if you decide to make videos in your name or to publish stolen content to your name without mentioning it and without the consent of the person (especially the buildings) in order to make you money or glory is forbidden and it's normal.
It's the same everywhere.

And not everybody does not steal the content of others by publishing it later, it is a minority a very small minority

Here's one for you to answer then - how would it work for uploaded parks if one cannot use other peoples blueprints in it? I know it's slightly different but the game is designed for sharing.

The way it normally works is that credit should be given to the creator of the original items which most people do.

Shane

 

[AbsoluT]

Here is the answer

Here's one for you to answer then - how would it work for uploaded parks if one cannot use other peoples blueprints in it? I know it's slightly different but the game is designed for sharing.

The way it normally works is that credit should be given to the creator of the original items which most people do.

Shane

I only tell the truth, because THAT is exactly what I mean. Many people live in another world today, full of "Facebook", "WhatsApp" and all the other things that are so "comfortable". They dont realize the real live and all its negative things anymore. If you point them to this they are directly (not allowed to use this phrase here) "wet" of. Today its forbitten to tell the truth, that why all runs badder every day. Specially people in the UK should know what I mean in these days.

I dont think thats its OK what this guy does, I think its a shame and I am standing 100% behind the TO. Also aecrouch2016 is completely right, there is another system needed, but that would cost THEM money, and dont make THEM something, so why should they do that ?

You can take a lawyer and get to court, why dont you ? He has stolen your work and not mentioned it. But btw: what does Steams policies say about uploading stuff there ?

The easy way that Frontier / Steam can do is: Let a user marks its Items as "unchangeable-item". If you download this Item into your own park, you can place it, but you cant change/edit it. If you upload this park with all the workshop-items included on steam, this park should be parsed by steam, and get all protected items, and list them in a "this item contains following workshop-items other users". By having an id on every item you could also do a direct link to the steampage of every workshop-item.

I am not only running of my mouth here, I am someone who brings critic in, but mostly can bring also a solution instead of only empty words. But at last its not me to change things. That can only be done if you put pressure on companys, and that is exactly what I tried to make clear with my post.
If no one uses Steam-Workshop-Items it would be much more possible that they make it possible that users can protect their stuff from beeing stolen al little bit more.

 

[shaneturner12]

Here is the answer

That doesn't answer the question I asked of you unfortunately. Whilst there's an issue regarding the item being modified, there's nothing one can really do regarding others using a Workshop blueprint in something they've created - the only way of avoiding that is simply to not upload the item in the first place I'm afraid, and it can't technically be classed as theft either as they haven't simply re-uploaded that blueprint under their name.

Shane