General / Off-Topic by 2050 there will be a 9 billion people on the Earth

Wow, that's a lot of people!However, I think it is self correcting - and not in the WW3 or famine way.Simply put, as people become more prosperous they have less children, etc.In the mean time, our goals should be to:- Clean up our world Just like after any big "event," you need to clean up. And with the 20th century now over we need to get on with cleaning up. So much good work has been done in this area but still more needs to be done.- Don't let companies continue to polluteAlmost all the pollution in the world is caused by the companies that serve us. Like dumping dangerous chemicals into the ground or sea to save a few bucks. "We The People" need to stand up for ourselves and say we will not let anything be imported or sold in our countries unless it was made to our standards - like you had to pay the workers a fair wage and you didn't break our environmental laws in making the product. No more hiding behind "we made it somewhere cheap where people make pennies and we can dump poisons into the ground"- Stop building up and start building downSo much energy and space is wasted by building our homes and office towers above ground. They have to be heated and cooled, and there is damage from wind, hurricanes and tornadoes. if we built our homes and offices below ground, while initial construction would cost more the lifetime cost is far less, as would be the environmental impact. And I think it would be cool to have a retracting lawn (aka sunroof) as the ceiling to my living room :)- Help all peoples become self sufficient in producing foodEvery people needs to be able to feed themselves locally. Teach a man to fish and all that. Aid should always be a temporary emergency measure, and not a way of life.- World peace treatyMost wars are fought over borders and land. So we need to work to resolve all these disputes. To encourage this, we'll need a new "United Nations" of (only) like minded countries to replace NATO, the UN, etc. Those who make it in must have no outstanding disputes left with any other country and also must meet other standards that most European and North American countries already do. Members also all agree to protect each other from non-members, and also levy tarrifs on non-members as membership has it's privileges :)Well, those are a few thoughts :)Grey

Just regarding the idea about people sourcing food locally (teach a man to fish etc).

My friend and i have many discussions over this.

He is a firm believer in "food security", that is being able to produce rough food locally - be that at a village level or national level. In our context he is worried about the fact the UK doesn't produce all the food it needs and imports alot (which caught us out in WW2).

I am of the opinion that increasing the "food catchment" area (i.e. having supply networks that can bring in food from non local places) is better. If the UK has a drought or some sort of natural catastrophe, then food can still be imported from a part of the world where food is still available. By having a more global network food security (and variety!) is improved.

Of course global food networks are more vulnerable to man made disasters like war, revolution or trade disputes. Look at Quatar which is facing issues not because of any climatic or crop failure but because of a political disagreement.

So the two approaches have different strengths and weaknesses:

Local is resilient against a socket strike in another country but vulnerable to a delight or flood.

Global is resilient against droughts, floods, blight but vulnerable to a revolution in Egypt closing the Suez canal or something.

I would argue that the climatic disasters are more likely in the future and less in mankind's control (a lot of the damage having already been done) whilst the political risks are very much in mankind's control (albeit the control is diffused).
 
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we can somewhat diminish our consumption, but what we going to do after 10 billion? Population growth must be halted, and the sooner we start it is the better, tehre is no way out of this question, this problem cannot be avoided, or swept under the rug. You cannot go against it. Is simple as that.

And make no mistake even if we stop population growth we still need to manage our consumption. I'm not going o measure mine because i know something for sure. It's small. ;)
 
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we can somewhat diminish our consumption, but what we going to do after 10 billion? Population growth must be halted, and the sooner we start it is the better, tehre is no way out of this question, this problem cannot be avoided, or swept under the rug. You cannot go against it. Is simple as that.

And make no mistake even if we stop population growth we still need to manage our consumption. I'm not going o measure mine because i know something for sure. It's small. ;)

we'll top out at around 10-11bn

most of the explosive population growth has already happened.

[video=youtube;FACK2knC08E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E[/video]

You are right though, we do need to manage our consumption. The biggest issue is energy (specifically low carbon energy). If we can crack that, all the other stuff is easier.

In the mean time helping the developing nations like China, India and Africa to develop in low energy ways rather than into the high energy economies like the US needs to be a focus.
 
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