Can we have the 'Single Player Combat Training' missions from the demo added to the main game?

[Dagwit]

I have (minor) problems with my hands which means that up to now I've mostly avoided combat.

However, moving primary and secondary fire to the foot pedals of my rudder has convinced me that I might just be able to manage it without developing the usual tendonitis-inducing death grip on the joystick that combat manoeuvering while firing brings on.

I remembered some excellent combat training missions from my first weeks in the game (when I was still using mouse and keyboard) and decided that playing these would be a good way of testing the waters. (I also remembered thinking that apart from combat the first mission in particular, set in an ice field, would be an excellent FAoff trainer - something else apart from combat that is overdue for some attention from me.)

However, because these missions are located in a separate demo version of the game it turns out that:

I can't use VR because the demo doesn't support it;
it doesn't use my current bindings - none of the bindings files listed work for me.

I suppose I can man up and redo the bindings, but really -

I've bought and paid for the main game.
This is content that Frontier are giving away for free anyway.

What possible harm could there be to adding them as additional missions to the Training Missions section of the main game?

Where I could enjoy them using my current bindings and VR headset without the hassle I'm currently staring at.

 

[Adhock]

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What are you talking about?

The BCT is already in the main game. You have to access the Training option from the main menu. It'll take you to the training simulations and you can BCT all day long if you want with no risk.

Seriously. I'm looking at it RIGHT NOW.

Yes VR has it's quirks. There's an entire subforum with people who know how to work around it.

 

[smiths121]

Just installing to see, but are these the single player combat training - last option on the loader?

Simon

 

[777Driver]

No need to run the demo from the launcher, as Adhock has explained, run the main game as normal, select the combat tutorials .

The demo is for those that want to try without installing the main game

 

[smiths121]

No need to run the demo from the launcher, as Adhock has explained, run the main game as normal, select the combat tutorials .

The demo is for those that want to try without installing the main game

Actually having just installedit, really do not! It does not honour key bindings, and my route plotter has gone back to 1000LY, and I am 1.1KLY out. It smacked some library or config file.
time to reinstsll.
Gonna delete my post - stop anyone else having a go ... before they read yours.

Simon

 

[777Driver]

Actually having just installedit, really do not! It does not honour key bindings, and my route plotter has gone back to 1000LY, and I am 1.1KLY out. It smacked some library or config file.
time to reinstsll.
Gonna delete my post - stop anyone else having a go ... before they read yours.

Simon

What?? Why would anyone install the demo if they have the main game. I was saying do NOT install the demo, pointless running it if the game is installed.

Edit sorry, misread your post. Anyway, you don't have to reinstall, just run the file integrity checker, will revert everything back to normal.

 

[Dagwit]

The missions in the demo are NOT the same as the Training missions in the main game (though I have a feeling they were until the end of last year, when new training missions with more handholding were brought in).

For example, the first mission in the demo has you shoot canisters, after which (or instead of which) you are free to fly your Sidewinder round the ice ring with full control of your ship.

Whereas the first Training Mission in the current version of the main game limits you to the controls the Mission is intended to demonstrate.

I believe there's also a rather nice Cobra railgun mission in the demo - I didn't get a chance to check if it's still there - which would be useful as a fixed weapons trainer. Again, nowhere in the training missions currently in the main game.

Really, if you need to be focussed completely on your controls, the demo is much better for practice than either the Training Missions or in the main game - especially as in the latter you have to waste time flying to a ring before you can begin practising flying round the rocks - which give you a point of reference, whereas using the first demo mission as a training mission in the game you can just jump in and get on with practice.

And yes, firing up the demo is not a good idea if you value your bindings. Luckily, I'd made a backup of my binds file before downloading the Beyond beta.

 

[xondk]

I have (minor) problems with my hands which means that up to now I've mostly avoided combat.

However, moving primary and secondary fire to the foot pedals of my rudder has convinced me that I might just be able to manage it without developing the usual tendonitis-inducing death grip on the joystick that combat manoeuvering while firing brings on.

I remembered some excellent combat training missions from my first weeks in the game (when I was still using mouse and keyboard) and decided that playing these would be a good way of testing the waters. (I also remembered thinking that apart from combat the first mission in particular, set in an ice field, would be an excellent FAoff trainer - something else apart from combat that is overdue for some attention from me.)

However, because these missions are located in a separate demo version of the game it turns out that:

I can't use VR because the demo doesn't support it;
it doesn't use my current bindings - none of the bindings files listed work for me.

I suppose I can man up and redo the bindings, but really -

I've bought and paid for the main game.
This is content that Frontier are giving away for free anyway.

What possible harm could there be to adding them as additional missions to the Training Missions section of the main game?

Where I could enjoy them using my current bindings and VR headset without the hassle I'm currently staring at.

Those training missions are already in the main game? there is absolutely no reason to install that version, which is unsupported.

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Well yes, this is correct, they've been improved, but why would you want the old ones? the new ones are significantly better?

 

[Dagwit]

Well yes, this is correct, they've been improved, but why would you want the old ones? the new ones are significantly better?

The new training missions are a better introduction for complete newbs, but the old ones were better for polishing your flight skills, which I'd rather do out of the main game because I want to focus completely on what I'm doing, and because I could load up the appropriate mission and get down to business without having to faff about undocking, flying to a suitable area etc.

 

[Adhock]

So why haven't you checked out the Challenge Scenarios then?

 

[DaggerSnake]

There are a few options in TRAINING at the main menu

TRAINING MISSIONS these are the closet we have to a scripted single player game with talking NPC's they're actually pretty good and entertaining.

CHALLENGE SCENARIOS this is a list of more advanced training. There's one called INCURSION:MOSTLY HARMLESS where you fight waves of enemies. Would that work for you?

Or are you looking more for a "TEST FLIGHT" modes where you can take your build against waves of enemies that you could customize. Now that would be an awesome addition to the game!

 

[Adhock]

Or are you looking more for a "TEST FLIGHT" modes where you can take your build against waves of enemies that you could customize. Now that would be an awesome addition to the game!

I think we stomped "Simulation Mode" into the dirt awhile ago since it would defeat the entire purpose of the game and everybody would just go play that instead of playing ED because they're too risk averse and "don't have enough time" to earn the ships in game.

 

[Dagwit]

So why haven't you checked out the Challenge Scenarios then?

I did when they came into the game. I remember thinking at the time that I preferred the old scenarios. Then, to be honest, I forgot all about them; I decided the sensible thing was not to risk damaging my hands doing combat (I actually had my first attack of tendonitis as a result of using a joystick to play the heck out of the original Elite on a PC in 1987).

DaggerSnake, I tried the scenario you suggest; yes, it will do a lot of what I want. I've already learned that getting used to having primary and secondary fire on the foot pedals is going to be a challenge!


I'll check the others as well, but I don't remember coming across an ice field to fly around in (but then at my age memory is ... something or other). Which would be ideal to have for jumping into when you just want to spend a quarter hour polishing your piloting skills.

Adhock, I take your point about 'Simulation Mode"; now that my brain's had an afternoon to warm up, I remember seeing the Vulture in Challenge Mode first time round and wondering if that was maybe a ship too far.

And I suppose I can practise flying round a station in one of the training scenarios. But an ice field would be ideal. And I had that. And then it was taken away. And now I'd like it back, please.

 

[DaggerSnake]

I think we stomped "Simulation Mode" into the dirt awhile ago since it would defeat the entire purpose of the game and everybody would just go play that instead of playing ED because they're too risk averse and "don't have enough time" to earn the ships in game.

Not simulation mode. I don't even know where that would come from. In almost all flight games, at the menu that you are looking a plane you click test flight and you are in the cockpit flying around in a quickly made instance. There nothing else to do you just check out how the plane handles and then click done and you are back in the menu deciding to buy the ship.

SO in the case of Elite, Click TEST FLIGHT from the training menu, now they are in the same looking instance as the challenge scenarios but in their own ship. It's not part of the game. It's just a test flight. THey can fly it around the instance and shoot some waves of NPCs but that's it. No score, no ranking, no supercruise or high waking, no multi player, no credits, no progressio, nothing but trying out your ship until you are bored and end it taking you back to the normal game.

 

[Adhock]

And I suppose I can practise flying round a station in one of the training scenarios. But an ice field would be ideal. And I had that. And then it was taken away. And now I'd like it back, please.

Who said you don't have one?

Just pick any asteroid ring and crash into a random location into it. A pirate NPC might pop up but if you're not carrying cargo they'll fly off and leave you alone after the scan. After that initial scan you won't see any other NPC's at all period.

I do this all the time when I go mining because I'm not interested in fighting off constant pirates in the REZ's. I just fly into a random location toward the ring, crash into it and take a 1% hull damage which is negligible. A pirate might show up to scan my cargo hold of limpets, decide I'm not worth the time and fly off leaving me utterly alone and all to myself. I can putter about and mine to my heart's content with no interruptions. Usually get a decent haul.

You can do this yourself if you want to fly around asteroids with no interruptions. It's not hard.

 

[Dagwit]

Who said you don't have one?

Just pick any asteroid ring and crash into a random location into it. A pirate NPC might pop up but if you're not carrying cargo they'll fly off and leave you alone after the scan. After that initial scan you won't see any other NPC's at all period.

I do this all the time when I go mining because I'm not interested in fighting off constant pirates in the REZ's. I just fly into a random location toward the ring, crash into it and take a 1% hull damage which is negligible. A pirate might show up to scan my cargo hold of limpets, decide I'm not worth the time and fly off leaving me utterly alone and all to myself. I can putter about and mine to my heart's content with no interruptions. Usually get a decent haul.

You can do this yourself if you want to fly around asteroids with no interruptions. It's not hard.

But it is time consuming. Now I've been known to do a bit of mining myself. I've even occasionally managed to drop into a ring without taking any hull damage at all! And then spend a leisurely couple of hours filling my hold with stuff that's not worth as much as I'd like.

But when I'm practicing I don't want to have to commute to my practice site. I jjust want to be able to start up the game and be about my practice. And at one point that very thing was in the game. Then it disappeared. Now I want it back.