...just got to wondering, that's all.
Guess we might be about to find out.
Guess we might be about to find out.
Can we jump OUT of permit locked systems?
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And even more important, depends on how would be the answer to the question of the OP, I think. Can you jump IN the locked system Gnosis will be awaiting, after you've been exploring around that system, to be picked up and leave alive, to the next Gnosis stop?
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No, once in the Cone System, you are trapped there if the Gnosis departs without you. You'll have to 'xplode yourself to get back to the bubble.
Here's some info, wasn't hard to find.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...*-GNOSIS-Jumps-planned-THROUGH-a-permit-Lock-!
the problem is that the rules of the game, were changed recently. The game changing point is this: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/5b86af3f5efed618853e99c3
"In response to this development, the Pilots Federation has sealed off the Cone Sector FN-J B9-0 system, which is believed to contain high concentrations of Hydra Interceptors. Despite this, it is understood that the Gnosis, flagship of the Canonn Interstellar Research Group, will attempt to complete its scheduled jump into the now permit-locked system."
That change was made in August 29.
Before that, in August 13, the first post of the thread you had linked, was done over the previous situation. And so the expedition estrategy. The Gnosis system was an open system in a sector surrounded for permit locked systems, since long time. So travelling with the Gnosis: "This is a rare opportunity to scan and bag new Systems and Planets."
If the Gnosis travelers are going to be locked in a single system, that should be clear and quickly disseminated. If you read the last pages of the thread you have linked, you can see that even for the people that are posting there, they don't know what will be happen. There are doubts.
If Frontier are going to help Gnosis expedition, that should be clearified before jumping. Not only speaking about entering the ship in a now locked system. But speak about all the consequences, clearly.
Players should known without doubt, before departing, if they will be locked in only one system, or there will be some kind of exception. My opinion.
The hearts and hopes of the Galaxy are upon you, Gnosis, in your journey. I hope your voyage can be the turning point in the game narrative
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Isn't the Gnosis jumping into an unrestricted area walled off by permit locked systems, though? So you won't be able to jump out because of the permit wall - you'd have to get into it first.
Or through it, if the wall were thin enough somewhere.
Or through it, if the wall were thin enough somewhere.
The pilots federation have permit locked the system the gnosis is jumping into in the cone sector in response to a suspected presence of high nu,ber of the newest thargoid death flower, canonn are going to attempt the jump anyway
To answer the actual question, if you are in a permit lock system yes if course you can jump out. Because you have a permit to be there in the first place.
However. Permits are per-system which means Frontier have to issue a sector permit (there is currently no such thing) tens of thousands of system permits (permit list will be excessive) or they will drop the permits.
Which means everyone can get there. But gnosis jumpers get a head start.
Or, frontier can goof up as they tend to do and leave permits as is, which will make it a very long 4 weeks for people who dont suicidewinder out - or stop playing again, if the only permit issued is the same system the gnosis is in.
Howevr, if the gnosis jumps to a system requiring a permit, if there is no permit issued and the commanders ship is there; the ship will be relocated to the last viable location it landed (station, outpost) when the commander loads in.
Get ready for a bunch of commanders who find themselves back in time, and not where the gnosis is, when it next jumps. Because that is a distinct possibility.
It depends entirely on whether frontier see this as an opportunity or just another Thursday. Time will tell.
However. Permits are per-system which means Frontier have to issue a sector permit (there is currently no such thing) tens of thousands of system permits (permit list will be excessive) or they will drop the permits.
Which means everyone can get there. But gnosis jumpers get a head start.
Or, frontier can goof up as they tend to do and leave permits as is, which will make it a very long 4 weeks for people who dont suicidewinder out - or stop playing again, if the only permit issued is the same system the gnosis is in.
Howevr, if the gnosis jumps to a system requiring a permit, if there is no permit issued and the commanders ship is there; the ship will be relocated to the last viable location it landed (station, outpost) when the commander loads in.
Get ready for a bunch of commanders who find themselves back in time, and not where the gnosis is, when it next jumps. Because that is a distinct possibility.
It depends entirely on whether frontier see this as an opportunity or just another Thursday. Time will tell.
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A cursory look at the galmap revealed that the Cone Sector FN-J B9-0 system that the Gnosis is jumping into is surrounded in all six direction by roughly 500 light years of permit locked systems. Unless Frontier unlocks the Cocne Sector, then the CMDRs will be stuck in FN-J B9-0 for 4 weeks.
My guess is that 1 or more of the following will happen:
1) The Gnosis will be destroyed causing everyone there to be marooned until they die and magically respawn back in the bubble
2) They will spend 4 weeks exploring a thargoid planet with similar structures to those we've seen before but with new functionality
3) The Cone Sector will unlock on Sep 6th allowing players to hop around inside the sector but not escape until the Gnosis left.
4) If Frontier were the kind of company that pumped out crazy awesome content for player group events, they would create a supernova event (at the local B star in the nebula, Cone Sector AA-A E2) that would unfold over the course of a few days/weeks that destroyed one of the local homeworld of the Thargoids (hence explaining the apparent thargoid diaspora towards the bubble) and the resultant freshly born neutron star core supernova remnant would also give a 1-time supercharge boost of 10x range that would allow most players in the Cone Sector to escape the permit locked area. Those that couldn't make even the boosted jump, could reboard the Gnosis and roll the dice.
But my money is on #3
My guess is that 1 or more of the following will happen:
1) The Gnosis will be destroyed causing everyone there to be marooned until they die and magically respawn back in the bubble
2) They will spend 4 weeks exploring a thargoid planet with similar structures to those we've seen before but with new functionality
3) The Cone Sector will unlock on Sep 6th allowing players to hop around inside the sector but not escape until the Gnosis left.
4) If Frontier were the kind of company that pumped out crazy awesome content for player group events, they would create a supernova event (at the local B star in the nebula, Cone Sector AA-A E2) that would unfold over the course of a few days/weeks that destroyed one of the local homeworld of the Thargoids (hence explaining the apparent thargoid diaspora towards the bubble) and the resultant freshly born neutron star core supernova remnant would also give a 1-time supercharge boost of 10x range that would allow most players in the Cone Sector to escape the permit locked area. Those that couldn't make even the boosted jump, could reboard the Gnosis and roll the dice.
But my money is on #3
the problem is that the rules of the game, were changed recently. The game changing point is this: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/5b86af3f5efed618853e99c3
"In response to this development, the Pilots Federation has sealed off the Cone Sector FN-J B9-0 system, which is believed to contain high concentrations of Hydra Interceptors. Despite this, it is understood that the Gnosis, flagship of the Canonn Interstellar Research Group, will attempt to complete its scheduled jump into the now permit-locked system."
That change was made in August 29.
Before that, in August 13, the first post of the thread you had linked, was done over the previous situation. And so the expedition estrategy. The Gnosis system was an open system in a sector surrounded for permit locked systems, since long time. So travelling with the Gnosis: "This is a rare opportunity to scan and bag new Systems and Planets."
If the Gnosis travelers are going to be locked in a single system, that should be clear and quickly disseminated. If you read the last pages of the thread you have linked, you can see that even for the people that are posting there, they don't know what will be happen. There are doubts.
If Frontier are going to help Gnosis expedition, that should be clearified before jumping. Not only speaking about entering the ship in a now locked system. But speak about all the consequences, clearly.
Players should known without doubt, before departing, if they will be locked in only one system, or there will be some kind of exception. My opinion.
The hearts and hopes of the Galaxy are upon you, Gnosis, in your journey. I hope your voyage can be the turning point in the game narrative
Sorry, I figured the information to be correct since it was posted by someone who's a mod which is denoted by their blue name tag.
Yep. Gnosis gets a head start, Frontier do the usual "there's a USS for that", some planetary bases and what not and people kinda wonder why Frontier are so terrified of inducing a dynamic encounter and it sort of all ends up much ado about nothing. If ever there was a springboard for some player-driven engagement and a starting point for Frontier to throw a long-sought spanner, now is the time.
I am hoping I am not too disappointed by what will probably be a typical frontier staged (glacial, elective, irrelevant) outcome, though.
But this is enough of a question mark to pull me back; at least to be on board Gnosis when it jumps. Frontier have either learned from Jaques station, or they haven't. We will see.
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Nope. The entire thing is down to it being a coin flip. This is a choice for commanders to make. Take a punt and board the freight train to thargoid land, or play it safe and wait and see. Frontier is forever providing canned content that is more predictable than a clock; most all of the existing gaurdian and thargoid content is.
Nobody (well, Canonn might, but they are saying jack) apart from Frontier knows what the outcome will be. I have a hunch, and I hope I am wrong for once. But the entire lack of clarity around relative safety or outcomes gives people choice. And some mystery. That's pretty nice to have, for once.
Choice is good. Don't complain when the developer offers it with some mystery attached. Because they almost never do. So embrace the unknown. I think quite a lot of people will.
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Why not? Guess you just have FSD that allows you to jump to nearest non-locked system.
Don't apologize, your info is correct. The key is if the normal "laws" will be applied to this expedition, or not, as this is an special event.
Nope. The entire thing is down to it being a coin flip. This is a choice for commanders to make. Take a punt and board the freight train to thargoid land, or play it safe and wait and see. Frontier is forever providing canned content that is more predictable than a clock; most all of the existing gaurdian and thargoid content is.
Nobody (well, Canonn might, but they are saying jack) apart from Frontier knows what the outcome will be. I have a hunch, and I hope I am wrong for once. But the entire lack of clarity around relative safety or outcomes gives people choice. And some mystery. That's pretty nice to have, for once.
Choice is good. Don't complain when the developer offers it with some mystery attached. Because they almost never do. So embrace the unknown. I think quite a lot of people will.
OK, then is a bet to be done before chosing to go in the expedition XD thanks XD so nobody knows
One question. In a ship under 30 ly of jumping capacity, the galactic map don't let me to trace a route to Outotz ST-I d9-4. It is a bug, or is neccessary a high minimum of jumping capacity to trace a route to the gnosis sytem? thanks
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No need for a high jump range. My sidewinder with 19Ly jumprange could plot the route just fine after 3.2 dropped (and is just 4 jumps away now too).
A couple folks have reported this issue though, so you might just have to plot somewhere close to the system and then try plotting again? :S