Cannot interact with BGS: all factions in system show Status:None

Philloster

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Hi,

I finally created a minor faction and got assigned a system in which it "spawned" (LHS 278)

I headed on over and started doing the highest level missions I could to influence influence. I managed to get reputation to "Allied" as a side effect, but nothing I do affects any of the states of any of the factions in this system. Everything just remains as status: none. I cannot cause conflicts to arise, or anything at all for that matter.

Is this a bug or do I have to do even more? One thing that did change is that two new factions appeared underneath me in the system ranking.

My influence went from 4.7% to now 8.2% but still nothing actually happens here at all. Is it not supposed to start a a conflict state when I get within reach of the next most influential faction (which is 8.3% so 0.1% higher than my faction).

Thanks for any insights,
CMDR Philloster
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Philloster said:
My influence went from 4.7% to now 8.2% but still nothing actually happens here at all. Is it not supposed to start a a conflict state when I get within reach of the next most influential faction (which is 8.3% so 0.1% higher than my faction).
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You need to pass it rather than just get close - it'll lock the influences together when they cross, so keep going one more day.

You also won't get a conflict if there's nothing to fight the other faction for - if they don't own anything, you'll just go past them. In this case, unless there's a ground settlement or installation about, your first conflict will be with "Democrats of", currently on 13%, so you'll have to go a bit further.

Once you've won your first station it'll be a lot easier to do things like trade and exploration for your faction, which get you states much more easily than missions.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Philloster said:
I headed on over and started doing the highest level missions I could to influence influence. I managed to get reputation to "Allied" as a side effect, but nothing I do affects any of the states of any of the factions in this system. Everything just remains as status: none. I cannot cause conflicts to arise, or anything at all for that matter.
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Changes only happen once ever 24 hours at the tick (just checking the obvious things first...). To go from a none state to, say, Economic Boom, generally take 3-4 ticks of consistent contribution to them to make happen. (Corrolary: This is why negative states are so rare: it's hard to target the effects and you have to sustain the effort)

You're also working in a system with 2.8 Billion. That takes a helluva lot of effort to change.
My influence went from 4.7% to now 8.2% but still nothing actually happens here at all. Is it not supposed to start a a conflict state when I get within reach of the next most influential faction (which is 8.3% so 0.1% higher than my faction).
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You'll only go to conflict if that faction has assets. According to EDDB (which won't include the orbital non-dockable stations) you won't get a conflict til you equalize with Democrats of LHS 278

Edit: Ninja'ed
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
And FWIW, tick just happened, and your faction definitely has effects.

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Problem for you is, all other factions also have support.

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Those blue arrows all indicate positive economic and security support, for all factions in that system, including your own. But again, system of 2.8 billion, you're gonna have to push the proverbial uphill for a while to see any economic/security changes.
 

Philloster

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Jmanis said:
And FWIW, tick just happened, and your faction definitely has effects.

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Problem for you is, all other factions also have support.

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Those blue arrows all indicate positive economic and security support, for all factions in that system, including your own. But again, system of 2.8 billion, you're gonna have to push the proverbial uphill for a while to see any economic/security changes.
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Hey there, thanks for the info... !! I like the community!!

Where are you getting this data, because when I look into the influences I still only see 8.2% for Ohm's Resistance in system LHS 278...
 

Philloster

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and back to the original question..: is it normal that no states of ours are shifting? The economy is not booming, busting. Happiness is not changing and this across ALL factions in system LHS 278. I find that highly suspicious...
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Philloster said:
Where are you getting this data, because when I look into the influences I still only see 8.2% for Ohm's Resistance in system LHS 278...
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There's a bit of caching involved. If you don't see changes an hour or so after the daily tick, close Elite and re-open it.

Economic states drift back to None on their own, so if there's no focused effort to boost them, they don't move much. High population makes them harder to move, and for most factions (the ones without stations) there won't be many inputs. What's the 24-hour traffic report like in station news?
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Philloster said:
and back to the original question..: is it normal that no states of ours are shifting? The economy is not booming, busting. Happiness is not changing and this across ALL factions in system LHS 278. I find that highly suspicious...
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They are shifting. Those blue arrows on the right in the screenshots above are showing that.

Ian's ninja'ed me on most stuff, but the problem is it's a system of 2.8 billion people. Shifts in the sliders will be barely noticable day to day without concentrated effort.

If the tick happens while you're logged in, it generally won't update any systems you've been active in during that session until after you log out (although, on some occasions I find I need to do a full quit to desktop)
 

Philloster

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You are right in that the %'s are changing (and slowly, yes). But I have NEVER been in a system where no faction is in a boom or bust state or civil unrest or or or. How can all factions just be on happiness "happy" and state: none. This really seems "off" to me...
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Philloster said:
You are right in that the %'s are changing (and slowly, yes). But I have NEVER been in a system where no faction is in a boom or bust state or civil unrest or or or. How can all factions just be on happiness "happy" and state: none. This really seems "off" to me...
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Happiness has nothing to do with states, and "Happy" is, basically, the "None" state of Happiness, afaik.

But again, pop of 2.8 billion. I checked EDSM stats and that suggested something like five pilots through there in the last 24 hours... that's not enough traffic to cause random states in a system that big, unless all five pilots were concentrating efforts towards a single faction.

EDIT: Happiness states are: Despondent, Unhappy, Discontented, Happy, Elated... default is Happy.
 
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DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
You're Ohm's Resistance?
Federation?
Anarchy?

Up in the heart of lawful Alliance territory?
40 Ly to Gateway near Ithica and Mullag?

High Population?
36+ daily traffic traffic?

What were you thinking when you picked LHS 278?

"Oh hey this looks like a nice place to set up a project?"
"No one will mind if I camp here"?

You should have done some homework.
You should have done this down in Imperial space.
There's a core of Imperial groups that love PvP and are quite anarchic.

I'm not saying that you WILL be opposed where you have picked.
Just - don't be surprised if it's months of uphill slog, and then when you do finally trigger a conflict - you face serious opposition.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
DNA-Decay said:
Up in the heart of lawful Alliance territory?
40 Ly to Gateway near Ithica and Mullag?

High Population?
36+ daily traffic traffic?
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Yeah... when I quoted EDSM I thought "Hmm, that doesn't sound right, I've heard of LHS 278, I rekon the actual traffic reports would tell a different story"...
 

Marcus Machiavelli

Marcus Machiavelli
Hey Philloster, they are right. You may get stomped on there. Aim at trying to just take over one of the moon bases from the Democarates of LHS 278 first so you have a home and work from there as it looks like you are in a high traffic system and you could get run over....

And a population of almost 3 billion is going to move slow unless you are in a big group. You alone?

My group started 3 years ago and our line in the sand was that we just wanted a station to call our own. It is good place for your head to be so there is no bad feelings if one does not get to take over the galaxy.
 
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Riverside

Riverside
DNA-Decay said:
You're Ohm's Resistance?
Federation?
Anarchy?

Up in the heart of lawful Alliance territory?
40 Ly to Gateway near Ithica and Mullag?

High Population?
36+ daily traffic traffic?

What were you thinking when you picked LHS 278?

"Oh hey this looks like a nice place to set up a project?"
"No one will mind if I camp here"?

You should have done some homework.
You should have done this down in Imperial space.
There's a core of Imperial groups that love PvP and are quite anarchic.

I'm not saying that you WILL be opposed where you have picked.
Just - don't be surprised if it's months of uphill slog, and then when you do finally trigger a conflict - you face serious opposition.
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The OP implies they were assigned a system, perhaps it was chosen by FDev rather than the OP's group?

I'm just going on the words in the OP :)
 

Philloster

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I chose 3 systems near places I knew. Didn't know that population was a factor.

This wasn't my first choice. I think Zephyrus was.

Thanks for all the comments. This is STILL the first system I've been on where "nothing happens" - no state changes, happiness all identical. Doesn't feel right.

But I HAVE managed to go from 4.6% to 9.1 in two days, with a small group. I hope to double that group soon.

So who knows maybe anarchy can expand after all! :)

"Laws were meant to be broken"
CMDR Philloster

PS what is somebody when they are "lawless" in the game?
 
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