Newcomer / Intro Cant belive i have Paid 40€ for this...

For a change of pace instead of insulting you I'll try and help:

i realy wanted to Play this game since i have seen the some Trailer this summer, but now after playing it for 2-3 hours i only Thing omg. The Space feals so empty, Docking at Stations is horrible some platforms dont work and even if i land there is no Station menu, miss things like an Autopilot or Autolanding. Getting Close to Locations (with cruise Speed) is a nightmare, when i Switch from curise to normal it often Shows that im to far and i Need 1 year or several days to reach the Point with normal Speed, when i Switch Back to cruise i overfly the Point because it curise Speed he was only 1 o. 2 seconds away. I realy wish there was an Autopilot for this witch flys you with cruise Speed to the Point and autom. Switch to normal Speed once you reachd it.

Try this http://www.elitedangerous.com/guide/training/ - specifically view the one on travel. The easiest way to do what you want is just set the throttle to the blue zone.

Or next Thing the Missions, i tried a kill Mission, i got to the System where i Need to go, it sayed there where 2 piratses but i had no marker with enemys on the map, i saw planets, friendly ships and so on but no enemys, i search for 15 minutes but i had realy no idea what i should do, that was realy frustraing.

Those missions aren't about killing specific pirates - any 2 will do. So go to the Nav Beacon or check out Unidentified Signal Sources or just submit to anyone trying to interdict you.

I have search for something like autofire or Focus when fighting other ships because im not the best with aiming but i dint find it, i wish they had something like in starpoint gemini 2 where you can lock on the target and the guns Auto follow and hit the target when you fire them. Also i have searched for something like turrets (because i love turrets in space games) but it seemed that there is nothing like turrets witch you can Mound on ship and fire on the nearest enemy in 360°

Gimballed weapons or turreted weapons are your best bet then, look at the tutorial videos linked above for help.
 
Hey come on folks - easy on the OP here. The learning curve on this game is pretty steep, but he(?) came back for more after his first post. That says a lot, so advice and encouragement rather than questions about trolling please.
 
Those missions aren't about killing specific pirates - any 2 will do. So go to the Nav Beacon or check out Unidentified Signal Sources or just submit to anyone trying to interdict you.



I get this part, yes you need to do these things but what after doing these things for 15-20 or even 30 mins get you nowhere? I'm in the right system, I'm flying around investigating signal sources that pop up infrequently I might add and I'm hoping to be interdicted [ ooerr missus ] also and none of these things get me anywhere closer to killing 4 measly pirates?

It's just not player friendly to be this vague and no I don't want it handed to me on a plate. The devs need to pin this down to a more specific area in a system, go to **** system area because this is the highest likelihood of pirate activity.

Also having to log into solo play just to dock at a station is poor to say the least [ docking request denied ] will echo in my head for years to come!
 
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So my impressions of this day.

First of all i did only trade runs today. Yes it sounds super boring and it becomes with the time realy boring and after a few hours my eyes start to hurt. But i wantet to try the "Cobra III" and 300k in a bit more than 10h of gameplays is not realy mutch for my taste. However Trading looked like the safest way to me so i sticked with it. While trying out different stations, to find out where arte the best buy/sell Prices for different goods in my jump range, (witch was a bit more than 10 fully loaded) i made an excell sheet to see where i can get the most Profit for the different goods (the frist time the tablet is good for something else than XXX clips).

What realy was annoying today whas the fact that there where nearly no high reward trade missions today only one with above 30k and 3-4 with around 15k, thats a joke the 15k or less are not realy worth the time (because you mosttimes Need to buy stuff worth half of the reward). So stickd with Berylium today one full delivery gave me around 8000 Profit and i have found 4 Stations where i could sell it for nearly the max Price. But i had the Problem that there where no good where on These stations witch i could take back (best shipment back to the berylium Station gave me 2k Profit...). It Looks somehow to me that the trade offer from the different stations is the same and i think they are sortet by types and is not realy rdm. The whole day i get only (if i got some) trade Mission between 1-4k reward, thats a sick joke to be honest.
Also in one System the Stations and Faction vehicles are green on the Radar (everywhere else everythign is White), but i dont know why, i dont know how and i dont know what it means. Btw. does selling needed goods to a Station raise the faction Standing?

Btw. use a different Color Setting for my hud, These Agent Orange Syndrom made me sick. Thats how it Looks:
http://arkku.com/elite/hud_editor/#theme_0.45_0.7_1_0.33_0.50_0.16_0.27_0_0

So yea i reached my daily Goal and have a "Cobra III" now, but without any changes (no Money for that), but still it feels more than work (witch you didnt get paid for) to reach something in this game than fun and i think thats a real big issue. Any game should be about fun in the first place, trying to be realistic is nice but not allways helpfull and the time in Supercruise realy Needs to be reduced somehow. Before i logged i wanted to try my new ship and there where a delivery Mission at the Station witch was worth 12k so i took it and go. The normal range for stations when i jump into a System is something between 300 - 2000y thats not realy bad even if it could be faster im most times there max 3 minutes (i think it faster most times but i dont stoped the time), the longest distance to a Station for me where 8000 so far this was allready a bit annoying but i only needed to visit These Station a few times.

My last Destination before i logged of (i thought it would be fast like the others) was over FREAKING 100000y away. Are you kidding me? I needed over 15 Minutes to reach These damm Thing and OH SURPRISE it was my Favorit Station Type the stupid Borg Cube (no i didnt Crash, i just hate These things), this time with silver and not dark blue colour wooho. 15 Minutes in Supercruise, yai finally i could look how high the numbers can Count. So how you use this time? Well it allready was (is) a bit late around here, so i made me a coffee and some food, used my bath, watched some XXX (for something tablets must be good). But i guess the Clip was to short, after i looked at the Screen again there where still 30000y left, the only good thing where that my ship reached nearly max Speed and it only tooked 1-2 more minutes to reach the Point. But hey, now i know why some People call this game "Space Cruise Simulator 2014"

Oh before i forged one Thing these evening realy was not funny, the last upgrade of the Client. It wiped my whole Controller Setting (i use an X-Box 360) and recolourd my HUD. It tooked me a bit more than an half hour to made everything like it was before and whats realy annoying (this only happens since the patch) if i Switch to the landing mode the game remembers somehow my Speed and take this after landing drive is out as Minimum Speed. So if dont fully stop before taking the landing drive you will Need to land and start your ship with the flight Speed before you hit the button (so you Need to use flying backwards a lot).

Ok i think thats enough for today, i will farm some Money for shipupgrades and try a BH Mission tomorow and than we will see if this game is worth to be played more or if i will Play something else again (Sims 4, wow or some other MMO :p)
 
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So my impressions of this day.
Also in one System the Stations and Faction vehicles are green on the Radar (everywhere else everythign is White), but i dont know why, i dont know how and i dont know what it means. Btw. does selling needed goods to a Station raise the faction Standing?

It happens that of all those missions you did yesterday, a lot of them were in profit of the same faction. This faction now thinks that you are a good asset, and are friendly to you. They remember your name and talk to each other with words like "Yeah, Bonebreaker! that cool trader that helped us bringing that commodity we needed". So now you are offered more exclusive missions there, and they apply you a small discount in your purchases so you have an advantage over the other not so cool traders. If you keep working for them, you will become an ally and they will call you a friend.

About your current feelings, I think that you have hit the next wall in Elite Dangerous. You can just wander around without purpose, doing missions here and there, and stockpiling money trying to get enough for the next bigger ship. But this is a void goal that doesn't give you any sense of accomplishment. After some time it is boring.

What is missing there is a goal, a purpose. Think of yourself as a spaceship pilot, think about the universe you are immersed into. What kind of pilot will you become? Your past actions have changed the universe just a little bit. Now there is a group of people in one system that likes you because you helped them to improve his influence in the universe. Try to find what kind of guys are those, what's his agenda. See if you like what they are and if they agenda can be yours. Find people to join your cause because you can make this faction to be greater than it is now... Or maybe you don't care at all about a petty system and you prefer to focus on your own needs. What are those needs? Find a goal and try to see the game as if it was a real and alive universe and you a pilot flying to change the universe.

I think that there is a lot of work to do by FD to get to a point in which we all can feel the universe as being alive. Maybe the Big Story Arcs can help when they are on. I think that the story arcs are waiting for all new players to get used to the game, so everyone is able to enjoy and participate in the Story Arcs with more than a stock Sidewinder. But the ground for immersion is there, although you need to put something of you to reach there.
 
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I've been playing since Premium Beta and can understand the OP's frustrations at having jumped into the deep end. My biggest criticism of this game is that to release it without a comprehensive manual is frankly ridiculous. Having to trawl forums and YouTube for information and instructions is absurd. No wonder a lot of newbies are getting disheartened.
 
The problem is that a comprehensive manual would be as thick as an encyclopedia and (if like me) the vast majority of people would look at it and go "Pfft!" and just jump into the game anyway.

There is always the wiki http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Elite_Dangerous_Wiki which I have got some useful information out of as well as the tutorials on the main web site but by far the best way to get helpful info is to ask the right questions in this forum. There are some very helpful types out there who have played since beta and don't mind giving us the benefit of their experience.
 
You seriously have understanding issues about the game. and yes, you don't belong to space.

You want auto pilot? you want easy docking? you fail to practice your cruise and other functions? so you hate the game?

I think it is time for you to try what you will like more (EvE Online) lots of auto piloting and no skills required. I am being honest.
 
I have to agree; whilst I admire your persistance, I can't remember voluntarily spending so much time on something I didn't like or agree with as you seem to be doing?. Sometimes you just have to accept it's not for you and move on. I can think of plenty of games I didn't like... doesn't mean they were bad games, they just didn't do it for me. Elite: Dangerous for me is the most immersive, open, free roaming game I've ever played. I haven't been playing that long and I learn something new everyday (usually several things) most of which are much better and more rewarding for not being explained in a manual

Everything I learned was found out by playing, on these forums and others and here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34437&highlight=manual

If you want something you can jump right into and just have fun, which is fine (I've played COD 4 for years) then this probably isn't the game to do it in.
 
Since your first post your still here .... So either its great persistence or your already hooked without realising it :)

Its persistence for sure, im one of These Players witch want to try everything out before they final judge a game. So that you know what are you speaking about. Have done traderuns all day each worth around 40k.

Sadly i didnt reached my Goal for today, collecting Money to upgrade my cobra took a bit more time than i excpected, the upgrade parts are not realy cheap. Except the better Armor Plainting my ship has now everything what it Needs for comabt. With empty chargo the ship itself is now worth a bit more than 800k, i hope 4Gimball beams (75k each) where a good choice. I have allready storded 4 BH Missions (each worth 190k) in my log witch i will try tomorow, i realy hope they are worth the time.

What realy bothers me about this game, i dont see any longtime Goal or Motivation in it, sure you can upgrade you ship and make faster Money so that you can buy a bigger ship witch you upgrade again and get even faster Money. But except from that i realy dont know why someone should Play this game. Exploring the universe? Seriously no, i have visit 25-30 different starsystems during my time now and more or less they all look the same. Sure the one has more stations and planets, the other less but the design repeats itself, i have only seen 4-5 different stations types in all These Systems. If you Count the different colours its maybe 10 but there is just no reason to travel somewhere far away in this game (except you like exploring). The best Thing i have seen so was in Eravate (yes i have visit every Station there multible times), except from the Ackerman Marker all stations had the same trade offer, even if they where different types (Docks, Hub City etc.) and the Prices where the same for every product on every Station, ok the Prices difference between These Station was between 1-3Cr wohoo.

I mean even Sims4 has more Long time fun that this game, because there is still something "new" to do. And what i realy dont like about Elite, it feals like work all the time. No matter if you mine or Trade and guess from i read in the Mission logs These combat Mission will not be mutch better.
Oh before i Forget, lets talk about my "Minig Expirence" today. Yes i realy did it, i bought mining gear for 100k and gave it a shot. But to be honest it was not realy funny, i watch a Video on YouTube to know how to mine and tried it, Shooting the rocks with laser beams was not realy that difficult. But collecting These small pices is, in 60 i only managed to collect 3 pices this was the most horrible mining expirence i had in any space game so far and it realy feals like a waste of time. This is the Feature why there is no tractor beam or why its not Auto stored in the chargo bay like in other space games, why i need to use some oldscool mecanical pice of crap to collect the ore?

Well Long text short Story, after the hour i sold all my mining gear and sticked with the traderuns. This was my first and last mining run in this game, i will never ever do this again, this is no fun not even a bit.

Ok thats enough, final judgment will be tomorrow. :D
 
This isn't for real right?

Watch the official tutorials on the FDEV youtube channel. No Mission pointers showing you which ships to kill. It's a sandbox, use your thinking appendage. A mission will say 'kill pirates it XYZ system'. Go to said system and look for pirates. Check out the nav points. Super cruise issues are a non issue, learn to fly in super cruise properly, watch the tutorial video on that, it explains everything. And as for turreted or gimballed weapons, they're in the game.

please explain the picture of the 'thing' in the flat cap
 
I have no idea what I am doing and have no reference to be able to do so other than being told I need to do Google research and watch unofficial youtube videos.

I managed to get a bounty of 350 credits by not even knowing what I had done, losing a ship as I was attacked - for not knowing what I had done.

The docking training is for rotating space stations yet I haven't even seen one of them and am being launched from and trying to dock at a space station with a pad. I was landing on rotating stations 30 years ago with no problems.

I don't even know if I am doing the right thing by trying to land on the pad and my playing experience enjoyment can be measured in the extreme negative at the moment. I have no idea what I am supposed to be doing or if what I am trying is correct.

It seems there is a blind spot in developer's brains whereby they expect everybody to understand their product fully as they do. And then they are defended by those who - somehow- were also born with this complete knowledge and do not understand why others aren't.

Leaving the rest of us Neanderthal mortals scratching our heads wondering why a game has been released totally unprepared for new players.

Pro tip - give us ingame training that resembles what live play requires and/or give us a manual/instructions that explain your universe.

At present I feel like Buck Rogers, I have woken up in a ship I don't know how to fly with systems I do not know how to use, unable to trade as I don't know how to nor able to even dock as the station I am trying to dock with isn't rotating.

Open offer to any developer/fan boi defender - come round to where I live and I will instruct you to find an object somewhere in the property. Enjoy your blind search.
 
At present I feel like Buck Rogers, I have woken up in a ship I don't know how to fly with systems I do not know how to use, unable to trade as I don't know how to nor able to even dock as the station I am trying to dock with isn't rotating.

Well, Mr. Rogers, outpost stations have landing pads like rotating stations; once you request docking, you can see landing assist box designating your pad when you fly closer.

If you can't, you are on wrong side of the station. Just fly around it and you should see it. :)

And always face the docking pad number while landing (ie. its directly on opposite side of you when flying towards it).

Hope this helps!
 
Fair play to you for your persistence/ stubbornness. I've sold Elite to myself purely based on two things; Space and Cockpit pilotting. Lets see how it pans out for me.
No offense, but I hope I have a better first day than you ;)
Good Luck
 
Hello Bonebreaker, I'm going to try and help you here, because I want you to succeed and enjoy this game. Besides, they don't do refunds, so the best thing you can do is learn to play it. And honestly, it's an awesome game. Well, it's more of a space-sim really. Ok, so let me try and help you, but you have to be willing to try and not just give up in 5 mins because it does require some effort and thinking - it can be quite a cerebral game at times, which is a good thing. If you just wanna blow stuff up, play an FPS shooter. You get to blow stuff up in Elite too, but it's only a part of it.

Hello all,

i realy wanted to Play this game since i have seen the some Trailer this summer, but now after playing it for 2-3 hours i only Thing omg. The Space feals so empty, Docking at Stations is horrible some platforms dont work and even if i land there is no Station menu, miss things like an Autopilot or Autolanding. Getting Close to Locations (with cruise Speed) is a nightmare, when i Switch from curise to normal it often Shows that im to far and i Need 1 year or several days to reach the Point with normal Speed, when i Switch Back to cruise i overfly the Point because it curise Speed he was only 1 o. 2 seconds away. I realy wish there was an Autopilot for this witch flys you with cruise Speed to the Point and autom. Switch to normal Speed once you reachd it.

Ok so firstly, this game simulates the entire Milky Way galaxy, 100,000 light-years across. It IS big and empty, just like the real galaxy we live in. My personal advice to you on control methods btw, is to use a joystick. I know some people love keyboard and mouse or joypads, but this game was designed to be played with a joystick, and it's a LOT easier to fly the ship with one. So, assuming you don't already have one, you really should get one.

Secondly, if you have landed and the platform "doesn't work" or you don't even get a station menu, you have landed at the wrong platform - it's that simple. How you've not been killed by station security doing that is beyond me! When you request docking clearance, you get a message telling you what pad to land on - so when you get in the station, look at your compass - it will point you towards the pad, and you should also see the pad lit-up with the number above it. THAT is the pad you want to land on, no other! Once you're above the correct pad you get a landing guide display and it's smooth sailing from there.

Thirdly, SuperCruise is easy. Target your destination, then go full throttle towards it. When you get to 8 seconds out (7 if you have quick reflexes) immediately drop the throttle to the middle of the blue area. You should slow down nicely to the point where you get the "Safe Disengage" message come up. Then you can drop out of warp and bob's your uncle. By the way, at least you have managed to get inside the station - I've seen quite a few posts where new players can't even manage that! So don't feel too bad.

Or next Thing the Missions, i tried a kill Mission, i got to the System where i Need to go, it sayed there where 2 piratses but i had no marker with enemys on the map, i saw planets, friendly ships and so on but no enemys, i search for 15 minutes but i had realy no idea what i should do, that was realy frustraing. Or other Thing, why i allways land nearly in the sun when i fall of from Hyperspace this happend nearly every time, is it so hard to say the game that you should fall off a bit far away in save distance and not right in front of the sun?

Don't try fighting missions yet. The first thing you want to do is, as others have said, learn the ropes. Do trading missions. Do your own trading - try and find a good trade route by using the galaxy map and the Commodities Market screen to see what is imported and exported between systems. You have to figure it out. Then you can make some money, and upgrade your ship and its equipment. At the same time you'll be improving your flying skills. Also, complete all the training missions. I think all new pilots should do that - call it "Flight School" if you like. Some training missions are hard and you'll fail at first, so do it again and try something different, a different approach. You're not losing anything but time and you're gaining a lot of valuable experience.

The way hyperspace travel works is that the exit of the hyperspace tunnel naturally locks onto the giant gravity well of the destination star, so that's why you always exit near it. All you have to do is once you enter hyperspace, drop the throttle to zero. Then when you exit into normal space, you won't fly into the star. It's not hard at all.

I have search for something like autofire or Focus when fighting other ships because im not the best with aiming but i dint find it, i wish they had something like in starpoint gemini 2 where you can lock on the target and the guns Auto follow and hit the target when you fire them. Also i have searched for something like turrets (because i love turrets in space games) but it seemed that there is nothing like turrets witch you can Mound on ship and fire on the nearest enemy in 360°

No mate, the combat is all about dog-fighting. You have to have some skill. Seriously, especially against other players, because some of them are really good. At the beginning, I suggest playing in Solo mode until you feel more confident and until you really get to grips with the flight mechanics and controls and ship systems, then you can go into Open Play mode and go looking for trouble. You don't have to - you might wanna jump in right away - it's just a suggestion. I'm just reminding you that you have the option. Again, if you do the Tutorials, you can practice combat all you like. You basically rotate, and pull up to get enemies in your sights - use the radar scanner. Yaw is only good for fine-tuning your aim. Once you have some cash you can get gimballed weapons, but even then, you still need to keep them in front of you.

Im realy realy dissapointed, hopped for something like X-rebirth with bigger Space and better gameplay and so on but this... i dont know will try it later again, hope there is something like a refund.

There's other things you can do such as mining, exploration, flying in groups etc. You need to do all the tutorials, watch the youtube tutorials on the Frontier Developments YouTube Channel, watch players' videos on YouTube. Educate yourself. There's pdf manuals I've seen created by players. You have to google "Elite Dangerous Players Guide" and you'll find things like this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/236560722/Elite-Dangerous-pilots-guide-manual-tutorial#scribd

This is not a game that will play itself for you. You are supposed to be a pilot, it's a sandbox game so you are supposed to think for yourself. It's not a story-driven single-player game. You should also research its lineage and read-up on and play Elite (it's free in the ED store!) and you can also find Frontier: Elite II I'm sure. Which reminds me, they need to put that free on the store also, so new players get where ED is coming from... but that's another post...

Anyway, hopefully this has been of some help. Don't give up, it's an awesome game once you get the hang of the basics.

Good luck Commander!
 

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This Christmas, ask Santa nicely for a dictionary eh... �� by the way, 2 to 3 hours is like a speck in the vast expanse of space, try and try again, practice makes perfect ... Blah, blah, blah.
 
Its persistence for sure, im one of These Players witch want to try everything out before they final judge a game. So that you know what are you speaking about. Have done traderuns all day each worth around 40k.

Sadly i didnt reached my Goal for today, collecting Money to upgrade my cobra took a bit more time than i excpected, the upgrade parts are not realy cheap. Except the better Armor Plainting my ship has now everything what it Needs for comabt. With empty chargo the ship itself is now worth a bit more than 800k, i hope 4Gimball beams (75k each) where a good choice. I have allready storded 4 BH Missions (each worth 190k) in my log witch i will try tomorow, i realy hope they are worth the time.

What realy bothers me about this game, i dont see any longtime Goal or Motivation in it, sure you can upgrade you ship and make faster Money so that you can buy a bigger ship witch you upgrade again and get even faster Money. But except from that i realy dont know why someone should Play this game. Exploring the universe? Seriously no, i have visit 25-30 different starsystems during my time now and more or less they all look the same. Sure the one has more stations and planets, the other less but the design repeats itself, i have only seen 4-5 different stations types in all These Systems. If you Count the different colours its maybe 10 but there is just no reason to travel somewhere far away in this game (except you like exploring). The best Thing i have seen so was in Eravate (yes i have visit every Station there multible times), except from the Ackerman Marker all stations had the same trade offer, even if they where different types (Docks, Hub City etc.) and the Prices where the same for every product on every Station, ok the Prices difference between These Station was between 1-3Cr wohoo.

I mean even Sims4 has more Long time fun that this game, because there is still something "new" to do. And what i realy dont like about Elite, it feals like work all the time. No matter if you mine or Trade and guess from i read in the Mission logs These combat Mission will not be mutch better.
Oh before i Forget, lets talk about my "Minig Expirence" today. Yes i realy did it, i bought mining gear for 100k and gave it a shot. But to be honest it was not realy funny, i watch a Video on YouTube to know how to mine and tried it, Shooting the rocks with laser beams was not realy that difficult. But collecting These small pices is, in 60 i only managed to collect 3 pices this was the most horrible mining expirence i had in any space game so far and it realy feals like a waste of time. This is the Feature why there is no tractor beam or why its not Auto stored in the chargo bay like in other space games, why i need to use some oldscool mecanical pice of crap to collect the ore?

Well Long text short Story, after the hour i sold all my mining gear and sticked with the traderuns. This was my first and last mining run in this game, i will never ever do this again, this is no fun not even a bit.

Ok thats enough, final judgment will be tomorrow. :D

Long term goals in Elite are pretty much self-set. X3 has a lot of that too, though there are some basic story lines to follow, they tend to be somewhat uninteresting. Wealth and better ships is often a compelling goal though. If it makes you feel any better, you've made far more money than I have during the same time span. Grand total I think I'm sitting at about 150k total earned (and mostly spent on an Adder and upgrades.)

I'm afraid you might be in for some heartache tomorrow with picking up those BH missions though, as mission timers are Real-Time (not in game time) so I expect they'll have expired by the time you log in again. I'm not a fan of that personally. If you want to be a serious bounty hunter, you should pick up a warrant scanner. With one of those, you can make decent money in an anarchy system without even having to worry about missions.

Mining has been less that stellar for me as well.
 
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