CG Questions and Observations

[Rockflint]

I have been playing on PC for a couple of years, so I am not quite the Newbie.. Two things I am curious about after participating in the Rhea CG with my Type 9.
1. I have hauled 11,700 tons of the 52 Million collected Monday at 15:38UTC. I was hauling in open (dangerous) Friday evening and Saturday. I didn't see as many commanders hauling as I expected for this much total tonnage. I assume these multitudes are hauling in Solo or Group mode.
2. After a lot of sorties in open, I finally got ganked by another commander [name removed per advisory] on Saturday afternoon. No conversation. No give me your children, drop your Power Play sponsor or your pants.. just wacked. I can respect an honest pirate that is making a living off others.. but murder for the sake of murder seems crap. Why are their no in game consequences for this.. Seems like an in game murderer should be hunted down by the authorities.. including the pilots federation. If the guy is working on orders of a power play faction.. perhaps he should be safe from prosecution in his sponsors systems, but the factions for other PP sponsors should come at him.. Just my thoughts.

BTW, the rebuy cost was not a problem for me.. just thinking that forcing hauling commanders to move to Solo play is not in the best interest of the game at large.

 

[Releaux]

While I agree with you that serial murderers should be subject to realistic consequences in game, FDev has indicated by multiple means that this won’t happen. There’s no such thing as a high security system, and it’s a fool’s errand to think there ever will be.

Personally, I also think the “no naming and shaming” policy on the forums is wrong-minded, though I understand the potential for abuse. That said, if I could pre-block the trolls / gankers, I’d play in Open most of the time. I’m not talking about pirates, RPers or PPers, I’m talking about the ones who just come in, no convo, no role play, in their hyper-engineered ship to shoot fish in a barrel. Additionaly, if bad behavior was publicized, I suspect the problem would go away in relatively short order as the mouth breathers found themselves on the equivalent of a spam filter.

Sadly, the trolls have ruined Open mode for a lot more players than I think is commonly recognized. It’s not just the folks who would like to engage in peaceful trading, it also hurts those who want to role play as pirates, try an actual “criminal” game style, want a fair shot at BGS or power play conflicts, etc., etc. Those folks are left twisting as folks like me, who would accept the occasional pirate interaction as a cost of doing business and would actually enjoy interacting with other players who showed a modicum of creativity, or who might be more willing to play the BGS / PP game as it was probably envisioned, instead just say that Open is where the few ruin it for the many and don’t want to have our time wasted. Whether it’s just for the lulz or because they can’t hack it facing skilled opponents is irrelevant. They waste my time, and I refuse to play their game. FDev’s official solution is to not play in Open, and so I don’t. If that hurts others’ power play, role play, or BGS experience, well, tough. I’m using the solution FDev provides.

These are the same folks who ruined Tarren Mill in Warcraft by rolling on level 15s in their level 70 raid gear, the gate campers in Eve, and the Spawn campers in [pick your favorite FPS]. FDev doesn’t care, and they’re not going to do anything about it. Worse, this thread will very shortly be filled with people defending the trolls and telling you to git gud and stop whining.

So join Mobius or another peaceful PG, or play in Solo and enjoy your recreation time. Nothing we say here on the forums will ever do any good on this issue.

 

[Clicker]

Ok....so...I usually don't reply to these threads...

Unfortunately being ganked is neither new or against the rules.
In fact, sadly it happens in real life.

It actually adds realism even if it ruins a gaming session.
Even if the ganker is some 12 year old just wanting an alternative to his/her first person shooter.

Ignore the avatar...I am not a ganker....but if I'm in Pirate mode...I will be parlaying.

Doesn't help your frustration, I know.

Clicker.

p.s. "play the game" if you are in open...expect and play accordingly. There's both great and crap gameplay depending on who you encounter in open.

 

[vanFace]

Unfortunately being ganked is neither new or against the rules.
In fact, sadly it happens in real life.

In real life, "ganking" is against the rules. Countries or legislations that don't have such rules or fail to force them are usually called "failed states". In this light, ED in open mode is a failed state, or better yet a collection of failed states. Since most players will not reside in a failed state (otherwise they would have other things to do than play a video game - like e.g. surviving), it is safe to assume that for them the game does not show "realism" in this aspect. I sincerely hope my reality will not reflect ED open mode any time soon, lest I'd have to be armed up to the teeth to send every 12 year old "just for the lulz" to the grave ASAP. That would be a sad world to live in.

 

[Doctor Dread]

When you choose to play Open, you've accepted all that befall you.

There will be good people, not so good ones, and sometimes you'll meet the scum. Stay true, accept what's coming, try to avoid, whatever, but don't do dastardly logging out. You agreed to all that jazz by choosing Open.


But if you're doing something important to you, with lots of time or resources invested...

 

[vanFace]

Stay true, accept what's coming, try to avoid, whatever, but don't do dastardly logging out.

Menu logging is perfectly fine. No need to stay true to some non-existing codex if everybody else behaves dastardly to start with.

 

[Doctor Dread]

I meant illegal tricks, logging out of the game, those things that are considered verboten.

Stay and face the music, you've accepted all that by choosing Open.

 

[IstvaanDCIV]

By the time you've realised what's happening and thought to menu log, that 15 second delay could well spell your destruction in any case, especially if your vessel doesn't have a great deal of shield and/or hull for them to chew through.

 

[CMDR X]

Meh, Solo, one load of Aluminum, free size 6 Corroded Rack and 12 million Cr. All during lunch break.
Works for me.

 

[vanFace]

I meant illegal tricks, logging out of the game, those things that are considered verboten.

What you mean is so-called combat logging, then. This is not using the menu but other means and is forbidden by the ToS AFAIK. Logging out by means of using the menu - and potentially suffering the long delay until you can proceed - is perfectly fine and not verboten. Generally it won't help you much in a combat situation, as others already pointed out.

 

[Rockflint]

While I agree with you that serial murderers should be subject to realistic consequences in game, FDev has indicated by multiple means that this won’t happen. There’s no such thing as a high security system, and it’s a fool’s errand to think there ever will be.

Personally, I also think the “no naming and shaming” policy on the forums is wrong-minded, though I understand the potential for abuse. That said, if I could pre-block the trolls / gankers, I’d play in Open most of the time. I’m not talking about pirates, RPers or PPers, I’m talking about the ones who just come in, no convo, no role play, in their hyper-engineered ship to shoot fish in a barrel. Additionally, if bad behavior was publicized, I suspect the problem would go away in relatively short order as the mouth breathers found themselves on the equivalent of a spam filter.

Sadly, the trolls have ruined Open mode for a lot more players than I think is commonly recognized. It’s not just the folks who would like to engage in peaceful trading, it also hurts those who want to role play as pirates, try an actual “criminal” game style, want a fair shot at BGS or power play conflicts, etc., etc. Those folks are left twisting as folks like me, who would accept the occasional pirate interaction as a cost of doing business and would actually enjoy interacting with other players who showed a modicum of creativity, or who might be more willing to play the BGS / PP game as it was probably envisioned, instead just say that Open is where the few ruin it for the many and don’t want to have our time wasted. Whether it’s just for the lulz or because they can’t hack it facing skilled opponents is irrelevant. They waste my time, and I refuse to play their game. FDev’s official solution is to not play in Open, and so I don’t. If that hurts others’ power play, role play, or BGS experience, well, tough. I’m using the solution FDev provides.

These are the same folks who ruined Tarren Mill in Warcraft by rolling on level 15s in their level 70 raid gear, the gate campers in Eve, and the Spawn campers in [pick your favorite FPS]. FDev doesn’t care, and they’re not going to do anything about it. Worse, this thread will very shortly be filled with people defending the trolls and telling you to git gud and stop whining.

So join Mobius or another peaceful PG, or play in Solo and enjoy your recreation time. Nothing we say here on the forums will ever do any good on this issue.

Thank you Commander. I was at Tarrin Mill at the end of Vanilla and see the same thing you do. This is exactly my point. The game is a hollow shell when all the space truckers move to Solo or join the Mobius group play. How is the revised Power Play supposed to work if the devs do not address this issue. As a rich space trucker.. Allow me to post a Sizable Reward for any player that offs a guy that is guilty of ganking someones ship without cause. Give that player a three day cooling off period in the brig.. I would freaking pay it for another PVP player.. Imagine how cool it would be if there was a setting to allow you to report a wanted players location if you encounted them.. and a galaxy of Pvp bounty hunters shows up.. This game could be so much more.. Again.. 07, sir.

 

[Rockflint]

Ok....so...I usually don't reply to these threads...

Unfortunately being ganked is neither new or against the rules.
In fact, sadly it happens in real life.

It actually adds realism even if it ruins a gaming session.
Even if the ganker is some 12 year old just wanting an alternative to his/her first person shooter.

Ignore the avatar...I am not a ganker....but if I'm in Pirate mode...I will be parlaying.

Doesn't help your frustration, I know.

Clicker.

p.s. "play the game" if you are in open...expect and play accordingly. There's both great and crap gameplay depending on who you encounter in open.

I would gladly surrender some cargo for a chance to interact with a legitimate role playing player. In my opinion, freebooters are a legitimate thing in the game and I would throw some credits if I could buy ones good graces.

 

[Rockflint]

When you choose to play Open, you've accepted all that befall you.

There will be good people, not so good ones, and sometimes you'll meet the scum. Stay true, accept what's coming, try to avoid, whatever, but don't do dastardly logging out. You agreed to all that jazz by choosing Open.


But if you're doing something important to you, with lots of time or resources invested...

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Thank you for your opinion and completely understand that Open is risky.. All I am saying is that there should be consequences for those that do not chose the Privateers route but instead decide it is more fun to grief folks. (Eg, wearing Lvl 70 raid gear on their level 15 character in Tarren Mill in Vanilla). Allow us fat traders to offer a Dead or Alive Reward for these miscrets. I would literally pay a hundred million credits if I could get a clip of the guy repeatedly getting beat down by a real PVP player (not my sorry butt). Give the dude a little time out for his trouble and I am good for another 15 hauls in a CG site with a huge smile.

 

[Kira Goto]

Allow us fat traders to offer a Dead or Alive Reward for these miscrets. I would literally pay a hundred million credits if I could get a clip of the guy repeatedly getting beat down by a real PVP player (not my sorry butt). Give the dude a little time out for his trouble and I am good for another 15 hauls in a CG site with a huge smile.

A player-run initiative for that kind of thing does exist in a Discord server(which I don't have a link to), where you can put out bounties on other players... but you'd have to offer a lot more than 100 million for it to gather interest, I reckon.

 

[Rockflint]

When you choose to play Open, you've accepted all that befall you.

There will be good people, not so good ones, and sometimes you'll meet the scum. Stay true, accept what's coming, try to avoid, whatever, but don't do dastardly logging out. You agreed to all that jazz by choosing Open.


But if you're doing something important to you, with lots of time or resources invested...

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Also, Solo is a hollow game mode in my opinion. Fdev provides this because they haven't chosen to address this issue in a balanced manner. . It should not be a option after you get your first elite rank. Imagine if this was the case.. How many Type9 haulers like me would there be running CG hauling missions that did not team up with a wing of pvp players. What if FDev providing a match making option to allow folks to team up like they use in Wow.. "Looking for wing of PvPers to overwatch my wing of haulers for x number of credits".. Otherwise, the hauling numbers would come down alot.. so average combat haulers could compete.

 

[Rockflint]

A player-run initiative for that kind of thing does exist in a Discord server(which I don't have a link to), where you can put out bounties on other players... but you'd have to offer a lot more than 100 million for it to gather interest, I reckon.

How many single kill combat missions pay 100 million credits? Looks like easy money to me if Fdev provided a pvp player bounty board. Seriously.. this could be fun for the wanted and the Paladin style pvp player.

 

[aRJay]

Thank you Commander. I was at Tarrin Mill at the end of Vanilla and see the same thing you do. This is exactly my point. The game is a hollow shell when all the space truckers move to Solo or join the Mobius group play. How is the revised Power Play supposed to work if the devs do not address this issue. As a rich space trucker.. Allow me to post a Sizable Reward for any player that offs a guy that is guilty of ganking someones ship without cause. Give that player a three day cooling off period in the brig.. I would freaking pay it for another PVP player.. Imagine how cool it would be if there was a setting to allow you to report a wanted players location if you encounted them.. and a galaxy of Pvp bounty hunters shows up.. This game could be so much more.. Again.. 07, sir.

A great new way to get players blown up for the ganker who hasn’t got time to gank everyone, just post a reward on any Commander you see in system chat.

Also, Solo is a hollow game mode in my opinion. Fdev provides this because they haven't chosen to address this issue in a balanced manner. . It should not be an option after you get your first elite rank. Imagine if this was the case.. How many Type9 haulers like me would there be running CG hauling missions that did not team up with a wing of pvp players. What if FDev providing a match making option to allow folks to team up like they use in Wow.. "Looking for wing of PvPers to overwatch my wing of haulers for x number of credits".. Otherwise, the hauling numbers would come down alot.. so average combat haulers could compete.

There can be issues instancing which can mess up escort like activities.

I wonder how many sales FDev would have lost if people were forced to interact with other players. But that is a discussion for the HC thread and likely to get this one closed if it takes over here.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Solo, PG, block and menu log are all legitimate responses.
The CG campers affect everyone's game including the pirates as an interdictees first response will be to high wake.
Posting bounties on them is ineffective, they'll be back in 20 mins.
Item 1) Have syschat open and pay attention to what's happening and by who. This is particularly useful if you want to assemble a blocklist.
Item 2) Pay attention to the scanner, be aware of hollow triangles/squares moving behind you.
Item 3) Plot a route to a distant system in case you need to high wake.
Item 4) Have a reasonable shield and armour, the campers aren't normally able to deal with anything that isn't damp tissue.
Item 5) Don't boost away, you present an easy target, boost at them, it throws off their aim.
Item 6) launching an SLF can tank their frame rate.
Item 7) The T9 is far more responsive and manoeuvrable in FA off, especially if you decided to try reverski.

 

[SlickPBW]

I’m not disagreeing. I normally fly in PG, and about 1/3 of the time in open, especially when doing BGS stuff for the PMF that our squadron supports. I personally believe players should be in open for BGS stuff.

Here’s my opinion and experience only; I’m not pushing my views on anyone. I would say that my experience in open is overwhelmingly positive. I have met many in game friends that way. I have never had a negative experience in open except in specific areas. I generally won’t play in open in the following areas because the jerks hang out there just to hassle players, including system chat spam, pad clogging and other behaviors that I just don’t have time for:
CG’s
Shinrarta Dezhra
Deciat
there are a few other areas that are high traffic areas.

I also play in open when doing AX work, but generally not for titan attacks because of the associated bugs there. Despite what FD says, titans don’t work properly when lots of players are there. I would play in open at titans should this ever be fixed.

An unfortunate side effect of all the fear mongering about open, which is unwarranted in all areas except what I mentioned above, is that I see great fear from many people all the time. I always am friendly when I see another player. I will give them o7, and offer to team up when appropriate. I would say that at least 50% of the time I receive no response, or folks disappear when I present no threat, or similar behavior. Yes, it’s possible that they don’t speak English or are young kids who have been told by their parents not to interact with any players, but ED is known for having a large population of older gamers so I think it’s fear in many cases.

When the opportunity is available, I will always help other players, and have many times given away engineering materials or helped players do things while letting them take all the goodies along the way. I find this rewarding.

So my message is: be the opposite of those negative players. Go out of your way to change players’ perception of the game to a positive attitude. My experience is that the negative players are a very small minority and only do their thing in a few places. Aside from these places, it’s quite safe, so let’s also make it friendly. This takes very little effort and would go a long way to change the incorrect perception that playing in open is to be avoided and will get you ganked instantly.

 

[BIZZNAWICH]

Ok....so...I usually don't reply to these threads...

Unfortunately being ganked is neither new or against the rules.
In fact, sadly it happens in real life.

It actually adds realism even if it ruins a gaming session.
Even if the ganker is some 12 year old just wanting an alternative to his/her first person shooter.

Ignore the avatar...I am not a ganker....but if I'm in Pirate mode...I will be parlaying.

Doesn't help your frustration, I know.

Clicker.

p.s. "play the game" if you are in open...expect and play accordingly. There's both great and crap gameplay depending on who you encounter in open.

I don't suppose you would have the "ganks" to meet one of your ganked targets in a face to face battle where you aren't selecting a slow, under armed/armored transport you've chosen for a bit target practice would 'ya...a well armed and armored vessel that is?