General CG Request: Reclamation of the Musashi

[LiveWeyer]

Azimuth has illegally retained possession of the Musashi megaship. As Aegis is legally protected from interference, they have a legal responsibility to return the megaship.

Request is for Azimuth to be given 1 week to return the Megaship to Aegis. If that does not happen, the superpowers should seize the ship from them and return it to Aegis during a Community Goal event.

#RememberTheAlexandria

 

[Trog]

Legally the Musashi is an Aegis megaship and so is being unlawfully used as the destination of this weeks community goal. I suggest that Azimuth is forced to return this ship to Aegis at the end of the week in addition to donating 50% of the proceeds from all future sales of the new AX weapons that they have developed and were funded by this CG.

It is time that Azimuth was taxed heavily for the profiteering that it is undertaking following the significant part it played in triggering the current Thargoid incursions. This proposal will:

1) return the Musashi to its rightful owner - something that Azimuth is legally bound to do immediately
2) creates a windfall tax on Azimuth to ensure that they do not profiteer from the misery that their past actions have caused
3) provides funding to Aegis to makeup the shortfall resulting from previous funding interruption from the powers.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I don't think you've got much legal grounds here. It's well established under intersystem treaties that organisations are allowed to keep the spoils of war including fixed and mobile installations. Tanner attacked an Azimuth subsidiary in an act of war, and regardless of his moral justification for doing so, he lost the war and lost the Musashi in the process. Azimuth are legally entitled to keep it. None of the superpowers or other major players are going to accept a revision to those treaties that also invalidates their previous years (and in some cases centuries) of conquest.

Additionally, the non-interference requirement applies to the current Aegis organisation; the Musashi was never the property of this organisation - indeed, the modern Aegis is at pains to point out that despite having the same personnel in key senior positions, it is not the same organisation as the one heavily criticised by Baumann.

Even if the non-interference requirement did apply, an interpretation that required all other organisations to surrender without a fight if Aegis attacks them would be the exact thing to generate massive distrust of Aegis "it's the shadowy conspiracy planning to unify all the superpowers and impose their own government" and not something to recommend.

3) provides funding to Aegis to makeup the shortfall resulting from previous funding interruption from the powers.

You've got rather more of a shortfall to make up than that. The superpowers aren't providing the new Aegis anything like as much funding as they provided the old one, even on a day-to-day basis.
- the Federation have allocated a junior Rear Admiral rather than the previous full Admiral as liaison, with a corresponding decrease in fleet and budgetary authority
- the Empire are handling it as an arms-length unofficial exercise funded entirely by Princess Duval's (albeit sizable) personal account, with substantial internal dissent (by Imperial standards, at least) that it's even gone that far
- the Alliance have no money anyway but are giving most of what they have for AX budgets to Sirius instead

 

[LiveWeyer]

Additionally, the non-interference requirement applies to the current Aegis organisation; the Musashi was never the property of this organisation - indeed, the modern Aegis is at pains to point out that despite having the same personnel in key senior positions, it is not the same organisation as the one heavily criticised by Baumann.

The organization leadership and members may have changed, but it depends on the interpretation of the Aegis entity and legal interpretations under inter-galactic laws. Current Aegis would be equivalent to an massive organizational restructure. As you are correct, they are not the same organization since the restructure.

The non-interference was also applicable to Aegis as an entity before it was shut down. Either way, it's up to legal interpretation and thus up to FDev to determine how that played out. We unfortunately do not have enough context, thus why submitting the suggestion.

Even if the non-interference requirement did apply, an interpretation that required all other organisations to surrender without a fight if Aegis attacks them

To be clear, Tanner attacked AGAINST orders. The equivalent of someone stealing a car and starting a fist fight. Which he was then reprimanded for doing.

I'm not suggesting Aegis go and start fist fights here, and if it's justification people need. We can just give Azimuth time, they'll give us plenty of justification eventually.

Again, this is a suggestion based on the information and limited context we currently have. So yeah, that's the suggestion.

Also, down with Evil Incorporated, I mean Azimuth.