Chieftain vs FAS (nearly same setup / fittings)

[Red Fox Four]

So I watched the video with the Chieftain.

Seems it has exactly the same setup (Core Internals, Optional Internals and Utility Slots) as the FAS with the exception of:

FAS has Class 3 regular Optional Internal -- Chieftain has Class 4 Military Restricted.
FAS has 2 x Large + 2 x Medium hardpoints -- Chieftain has traded 1 Medium hardpoint for 3 x Small Hardpoints.

Overall the Chieftain looks like a FAS with some small buffs (as listed above, larger but restricted optional slot and 3 small instead of 1 medium hardpoint)

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Will you equip the Chieftain the same way you have your FAS set up ?

What will you throw in the 3 x Small Slots instead of the 1 Medium?

 

[andrak]

Rails or something sturdy mount engineered to overcome piercing penalty. It can deal with the weight.

 

[Poseidal]

Sturdy is for coolness, not AP (which all railguns already have 100 of).

But small railguns are much lower heat than mediums anyway (for only 20% less damage), so long range them.

 

[andrak]

Which is why i said rails OR... something else with sturdy.

New engineering effects will probably change it all anyway.

 

[bladebss]

I was thinking this last night too.
I think its a bit too simalar. Seems just as manuverable and just a tad slower.

I didnt manage to see shield strenght but they droped quick when ed got shot at. So about the same shield to hull ratio too?

3 small rails or cannons will go nicely. 2 APAS in the large and a med rail or cannon or mabe some rockets in the med.

The hard point placement is the best. If the ship stays as is, i will probably never fly the FAS again. Roll on beta! Where the testing can realy begin, and hopfully some tweeking too

 

[Aashenfox]

Only one thing for sure...three small railguns. Oh yeh baby.

The rest probably two large PAs and a medium torp.

 

[Poseidal]

Which is why i said rails OR... something else with sturdy.

New engineering effects will probably change it all anyway.

My mistake, misread that.

 

[Knightshark]

What will you throw in the 3 x Small Slots instead of the 1 Medium?

I think seeker missiles.

 

[Cliffson]

They are very similar, but i was going tobuy a second FAS anyway so can now just get a chieftain instead! .

I'm thinking 2 large multis 3 enforcers (all overcharged) and a medium cascade rail.

Though 2 large APAs with that convergence is darn tempting.

 

[UnhappyDev]

With good rolls for thermal load I would try 3 small rails and 1 medium rail. Feedback cascade on the 2 small rails and penetrator on the others. Focussed PAs on the large HPs.

 

[Kyokushin]

I will pick a fridge. Ugly, but better than a lakon crane.

 

[Aashenfox]

With good rolls for thermal load I would try 3 small rails and 1 medium rail. Feedback cascade on the 2 small rails and penetrator on the others. Focussed PAs on the large HPs.

The only reason to do focused is that you can get more rolls for heat and cap draw reduction because mats are far easier to farm. Long range has the same benefits, except the armor pen, which is worthless on PAs, they alreayd have AP above the protection value of the strongest hull, with fewer negatives, but oh boy the mats are 'expensive' to farm (time is money).

Also, there's no way it can handle 4 railguns (or at least, still be fun to go into combat with). Go 2 small and 1 medium or stick with 3 smalls (3 smalls is far more optimal in terms of damage per heat/energy)

HAving said all that. The FAS's speed is 'all the money' as they say. If the Chieftain cannot be equally tanky and still equally fast, it will not replace the FAS's spot as king of the hybrids, just provide an alternative.

I know what I'm putting in the medium actually, one o them shock cannon things!! I love the fact that it stacks, really helps people like me who are a good shot but not good at much else, lol.

 

[Red Fox Four]

If the Chieftain cannot be equally tanky and still equally fast, it will not replace the FAS's spot as king of the hybrids, just provide an alternative.

I looked at the listed Hull Integrity for the Chieftain (on Wiki) and FAS (on Coriolis.io).

FAS - 540
Chieftain - 504

So at a glance (and before beta and changes) it looks like FAS has a slight hull armor advantage over Chieftain.

 

[Aashenfox]

I looked at the listed Hull Integrity for the Chieftain (on Wiki) and FAS (on Coriolis.io).

FAS - 540
Chieftain - 504

So at a glance (and before beta and changes) it looks like FAS has a slight hull armor advantage over Chieftain.

Good. Its brick shape definitely should lend itself to toughness better than the chieftain with it's extremities poking out left and right. Lol

 

[Red Fox Four]

Good. Its brick shape definitely should lend itself to toughness better than the chieftain with it's extremities poking out left and right. Lol

Fair point.

Still curious how they compare on shield strength though.

Both can sport a Class 5 shield gen.

 

[Zeeman]

I think seeker missiles.

Yup, seeker missiles is probably what I'd do, maybe rails with long range. Not a fan of small HP's in general, except on small ships, but so be it... The ship looks like fun!

Z...

 

[Starender]

It's a good question OP, they seem similar in almost every way.

 

[Starender]

I just checked, it's true, the only noticable difference between the two is that the FAS boost for 20 more, and the Chieftain jumps for 2 Ly more, that's it, everything else is almost exactly the same:

- same size
- same firepower
- same hull
- same agility
- same internals
- same distributor
- same shield
- same utility mounts
- same fuel tank
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[CMDR Carbo]

I just checked, it's true, the only noticable difference between the two is that the FAS boost for 20 more, and the Chieftain jumps for 2 Ly more, that's it, everything else is almost exactly the same:

- same size
- same firepower
- same hull
- same agility
- same internals
- same distributor
- same shield
- same utility mounts
- same fuel tank
...

Hmm, maybe we are onto something.

 

[Vardaugas]

Found a purpose for the medium hardpoint on the belly: Enzyme missiles. Just pop one of those on the hull before the target's shields come back up and you keep doing hull damage while working down the shields again. Ta-da! It's not completely out of place anymore.