Civil Unrest vs Boom

glojo

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I am at a loss to understand what is going on...

For three days we have been level with the lead Minor Faction in a System. This lead faction has the main station and that is the sole location they occupy in the system.

7 days ago this faction had 74.5% influence, we had 7%

Two days ago at the 'tick' this lead had been reduced to 41% to our 39%

I was told if we could get to within 2% of any faction this would at the next 'click'.. Instigate a reaction. Be that civil war or an election. We are now in our third 24hr period and all I see is the owner of the station and system at a state of...Pending State = 'Civil Unrest, Lockdown'

Our faction for a number of days is... Current State = 'Boom'

Could being in a state of 'Boom' be the cause of the in-action?

I am desperate to keep as close as possible to the lead faction and at present the separation is just 0.6% in our favour. We are the lead faction... Our enemy is at 39.9% whilst we are at 40.5%.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated

glojo
 

Elementical

Elementical
From what you describe it seems that 1 of the factions is currently in a conflict (pending, active, recovery) state in another system. This will block conflicts from happening in other systems. Only 1 state can be active per faction across all systems at a given time. You'll need to find the current conflict and end it before triggering another one.

Conflicts are triggered when influence intersects, when the next tick occurs both conflicting factions will have equal influence and enter the pending conflict state. Being within 2% of a faction won't trigger a conflict.
 
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glojo

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Thank you so very much for the prompt reply and whilst the faction we want to attack has spread its influence to at least one other system, we cannot, cannot find any instances of where they are in any type of conflict??

On the right-hand MFD it simply describes their state as 'Pending'
 

the100thmonkey

the100thmonkey
glojo said:
Thank you so very much for the prompt reply and whilst the faction we want to attack has spread its influence to at least one other system, we cannot, cannot find any instances of where they are in any type of conflict??

On the right-hand MFD it simply describes their state as 'Pending'
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Pending what?

War pending?
Civil war pending?
Boom pending?

Please be specific - if, for example, they are already pending a conflict in another system, that will stop the conflict going pending in your system.
 
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Shintai

Shintai
If they only have one station, you can just keep going up. At 60% it will trigger a war too. So you dont have to feel restricted at your current position while the other faction solves its current war.
 

the100thmonkey

the100thmonkey
Shintai said:
If they only have one station, you can just keep going up. At 60% it will trigger a war too. So you dont have to feel restricted at your current position while the other faction solves its current war.
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^This^ (but with caveats.)

If the other war starts, you will need to engineer a gap of (IIRC) >3% for a civil war and >15% for a war. If that happens, then the conflict will end, there will be a short cooldown before the BGS will queue the next conflict. If you exceed the failsafe trigger of 60% during the other conflict or duringt its cooldown, the war you really want to start will not be queued.

I would recommend, then that you push to about 55% and leave it there if the other conflict starts. Alternatively, since you've already shown that you can cause a big swing in influence, you could try pushing to >60% quickly to trigger the war in the system you want. If that fails and the other war starts, you will have to push your faction down, or allow its influence to fall, below 60% again once the other conflict has finished and the cooldown (two days, iirc; I'm not sure though) has expired.
 
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glojo

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the100thmonkey said:
Pending what?

War pending?
Civil war pending?
Boom pending?

Please be specific - if, for example, they are laready pending a conflict in another system, that will stop the conflict going pending in your system.
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Eee-oop 100thMonkey :)

In my first post I listed their pending state and then sadly did not repeat the whole dialogue in my next post... Sorry about that.

The ruling faction has the main station in the system.

There are also two small platforms in this system which are owned by factions with small amounts of influence.

The faction we want to go into conflict with has the same amount of influence as our faction and hopefully if we win we would take the station, plus take the system.

Pending
The faction we want to hit are = Pending Civil Unrest, Lockdown

We are = Current State Boom

The other four states in the system have nothing listed against them.

I have now checked EVERY SINGLE system within a 20lyr radius and whist our ruling faction are listed in four other systems, they are NOT in any type of conflict at any other location.

I am appreciating the replies you folks are giving and hopefully you will put up with my queries as I am struggling to understand what is being said.

We are at approximately 40% as is our opposition.

Am I right in saying we should have automatically gone into some type of conflict with this faction UNLESS they were in conflict elsewhere? (I have only checked to a distance of 20lyrs)

If we increase our influence to a specific percentage, will this immediately invoke a war or are we just as well off waiting for this issue to change.

This might sound daft but I would like to think we can easily increase our influence by between 7 - 10% per day but obviously this might backfire.

Finally....
Is there any way I can find out if this minor faction is in civil war or election in any other system? (As stated, I have checked every system within 20lyrs of its main system)
 

the100thmonkey

the100thmonkey
glojo said:
Is there any way I can find out if this minor faction is in civil war or election in any other system? (As stated, I have checked every system within 20lyrs of its main system)
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Sadly not at the moment. The 2.1 update will allow you to filter the galaxy map for active states just like you do for economy types.

I'd wait one more tick before giving up on triggering the conflict the first way, then, if you're confident that they're not in any other systems, push past 60%.

The developers have indicated that ~20LY is the maximum expansion radius, but if you have a faction that has spread and taken control of another system, they can expand from there too, which means it might be time to hunt the needle in the haystack.
 
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goemon

goemon
the100thmonkey said:
Sadly not at the moment. The 2.1 update will allow you to filter the galaxy map for active states just like you do for economy types.

I'd wait one more tick before giving up on triggering the conflict the first way, then, if you're confident that they're not in any other systems, push past 60%.

The developers have indicated that ~20LY is the maximum expansion radius, but if you have a faction that has spread and taken control of another system, they can expand from there too, which means it might be time to hunt the needle in the haystack.
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exactly this. they may have expanded more than once.

maybe obvious - but did you go to all systems they are in and checked the right hand panel for their pending/recovering state? you won't get that info form the galaxy map.
 

glojo

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goemon said:
exactly this. they may have expanded more than once.

maybe obvious - but did you go to all systems they are in and checked the right hand panel for their pending/recovering state? you won't get that info form the galaxy map.
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Excellent advice and yes we have done everything folks have kindly suggested and...

during our checks the 'tick' has been and gone..

As we were checking a system we noted how 'Pending' Civil Unrest has altered. It is now simply CIVIL UNREST

This minor faction still shows 'Pending' for the lockdown.

As we can all guess these comments apply to EVERY station this minor faction owns and of course in every system where it has a station.


We have checked all the other systems and have NOT found a single notation against any other faction.

We, however have that 'Boom' still showing as Current
 

glojo

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I cannot thank 100th Monkey enough for all the EXCELLENT advice we have been given and players like this are what makes playing this game worthwhile.

We will be giving this game until the next tick before we start to increase our influence. Hopefully it might not matter if we exceed the 60% influence
 

kvisr

kvisr
You could also try the third party tool EDDB as it might be able to tell you the systems where your opposing faction has a presence.
 

dunnykin

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the100thmonkey said:
Just to muddy the water further, I'd add that we have had a 28LY expansion.
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Seen ones 28/29 ly too so I'd recommend checking further out than 20ly.

Also some previously unnocupied systems now have surface ports which have been populated with factions from nearby systems. There are still areas with systems not known by edsm/eddb. If you used these for a list of surrounding systems there is a slim possibility you may have missed a system.
 

glojo

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dunnykin said:
Seen ones 28/29 ly too so I'd recommend checking further out than 20ly.

Also some previously unnocupied systems now have surface ports which have been populated with factions from nearby systems. There are still areas with systems not known by edsm/eddb. If you used these for a list of surrounding systems there is a slim possibility you may have missed a system.
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I am really glad I took the time to ask this question as I have learnt so much in these last few hours... I guess it is all about not knowing about the unknowns and if we don't ask about these 'unknowns.... I will never find out what it is I don't know :) :)
 

glojo

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Thanks to the advice I received on this thread, we went back and looked again at all the systems our adversary has infiltrated and sure enough....

There they were in 'Election Cooldown'

They were in a system with just 13% influence and had been in an election with a similar rated faction. Neither party had a station but there they were having an election... I guess we just cannot beat good ole democracy and when in doubt.......'Vote them out!'

Vote them out from what however is a totally different question and for me...

Yet another unknown :) :)
 
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