Clipper maneuverability rating - wiki assigns a 2?

[jacozilla]

Just got a clipper, and while individual preference for pitch,yaw, roll vs top speed, boost speed, etc all kinda going into personal individual decision - overall I found the elite wiki assigned maneuverability rating fairly useful. Gave rough sense of ship vs ship.

But I decided to get clipper anyways over my type 7 to have bit more cargo room. And the maneuver rating seems bizarre now that I'm flying it. The super low rating of 2 is the same as assigned for type 7.

And while the type 7 truly is a flying brick, there's no way whatever numerical system used that you can assign the same value to clipper vs type 7.

Outside of type 7 comparison, clipper - while not combat ship agile - seems plenty maneauverable - maybe not the 6 assigned an asp, but certainly a 5.

Did the clipper get some kind of enhancement or buff since the wikia came out maybe?

 

[Carradin]

The rating on the wiki is simply the same rating you see in-game in the shipyard. It's not something arbitrarily assigned by the wiki editors.

 

[Phoenix13]

I believe the current theory is that the maneuverability rating comes from the lowest rating of all maneuvering axes. The clipper's yaw rate is probably the lowest of pitch/roll/yaw, and thus where the rating came from.

 

[jacozilla]

The rating on the wiki is simply the same rating you see in-game in the shipyard. It's not something arbitrarily assigned by the wiki editors.

My point was I'm not blaming wikia for being wrong, I'm confused why the assigned rating - whenever it came from - is so low relative to actual in-game feel.

Haven't piloted the last few big ships, but I've tried now everything under a python and for the most part, rough ballpark the wikia/shipyard numbers seem about right.

But for the clipper - it seems same rough ballpark as cobra/asp territory, yet has a 2 vs 6

Re: rating being maybe affected by lowest rating of the axis, pitch - yaw - roll - that still doesn't seem to account for given that clipper yaw is slower than clipper pitch - but it is a heck of a lot faster yaw than the 2 rating

e.g. I don't feel the clipper yaw rate is that much worse than cobra / asp yaw rate.

Overall pretty happy with the clipper regardless of numbers, but ironically, only a few hours into the ship I think it's time to sell it as the time to earn faction to be able to buy ship let me earn enough cash to ironically outgrow the need for the ship and might as well use a trade spec python with more cargo room than trade spec clipper which is what I have now

 

[Morbad]

I believe the current theory is that the maneuverability rating comes from the lowest rating of all maneuvering axes. The clipper's yaw rate is probably the lowest of pitch/roll/yaw, and thus where the rating came from.

I'm pretty sure the ratings are guestimates by the devs and aren't just based on rotational axes.

Regardless, the Clipper's poor maneuverability rating probably has more to do with it's weak vertical/lateral thruster performance and high inertia, not it's yaw.

Unless you are flying forwards or backwards, the Clipper's acceleration is abysmal.

 

[jacozilla]

I'm pretty sure the ratings are guestimates by the devs and aren't just based on rotational axes.

Regardless, the Clipper's poor maneuverability rating probably has more to do with it's weak vertical/lateral thruster performance and high inertia, not it's yaw.

Unless you are flying forwards or backwards, the Clipper's acceleration is abysmal.

Ah, hmm good point. I'm using only C6 thrusters at moment, not A - so expected slower thrust but I can tell side and vertical thrust is pretty sluggish. Can really tell when thrusting up to take off from station landing pads but assumed it was because of non-A thrusters.

Sounds like even with A thrusters you're saying Clipper has poor side/vertical thrust. Acceleration though I haven't found a problem - I mostly boost to get to top speed though and it accelerates from a dead stop to max boost speed quite well - but as you said in vertical line.

I guess it's good thing I'm trading in the clipper despite all that time grinding faction to buy it, darn it lol

 

[askavir]

I believe the current theory is that the maneuverability rating comes from the lowest rating of all maneuvering axes. The clipper's yaw rate is probably the lowest of pitch/roll/yaw, and thus where the rating came from.

That 2 rating is the rason why so many people avoid the Clipper. Its a pity because the Clipper is one of the best ships in the game. None of ships more expensive than the clipper left me so satisfied as when i first flew the Clipper. After the Clipper, the FDL felt like a hugely overpriced Vulture, the Python felt like an utilitarian vehicle ( but it excels at utility), the T-9 felt horribly cumbersome, the 'conda haven't tried it.

The worst of the Clipper are the sideways and up/down thrusters where you can feel the inertia at very slow speeds like when docking. But the pitch and roll is incredible. The Clipper feels big when docking, but feels nimble when flying.

 

[jacozilla]

That 2 rating is the rason why so many people avoid the Clipper. Its a pity because the Clipper is one of the best ships in the game. None of ships more expensive than the clipper left me so satisfied as when i first flew the Clipper. After the Clipper, the FDL felt like a hugely overpriced Vulture, the Python felt like an utilitarian vehicle ( but it excels at utility), the T-9 felt horribly cumbersome, the 'conda haven't tried it.

The worst of the Clipper are the sideways and up/down thrusters where you can feel the inertia at very slow speeds like when docking. But the pitch and roll is incredible. The Clipper feels big when docking, but feels nimble when flying.

yea that was my sense as well, nice summary - in space it handled very well, pretty much felt on par with cobra / asp for turn rates.

kinda regret i now sold the clipper, but just moved into a python for the cargo spec - running 272 ton cargo hauls beats out the clipper. Maybe after i earn enough hauling with the python i'll rebuy the clipper.

 

[Phantasma]

That 2 rating is the rason why so many people avoid the Clipper. Its a pity because the Clipper is one of the best ships in the game. None of ships more expensive than the clipper left me so satisfied as when i first flew the Clipper. After the Clipper, the FDL felt like a hugely overpriced Vulture, the Python felt like an utilitarian vehicle ( but it excels at utility), the T-9 felt horribly cumbersome, the 'conda haven't tried it.

The worst of the Clipper are the sideways and up/down thrusters where you can feel the inertia at very slow speeds like when docking. But the pitch and roll is incredible. The Clipper feels big when docking, but feels nimble when flying.

Very true. I recently came back to my Clipper from a Python, i just missed the speed, the turn rate and that gorgeous canopy. With the Python i felt indestructible, but it was so slow and smaller craft were a pain to pin down.
The lateral/vertical thrusters are indeed unresponsive, but i'm flying with FA on most of the time so they are not that vital to my maneuvers. But the ability to quickly turn to face my targets and to escape when things go sour definitely is.

Edit: So i don't understand the manoeuvrability ratings ingame either.
In my experience they almost exclusively derive from side thruster performance with a little bit of speed rating thrown into the mix. I have been disappointed in actual agility (or pleasently surprised in some cases) several times after buying a new ship.
I think a new classification system would be in order. Paired with a complete overhaul in stat representation. The ingame documentation still is beta material at best.