CMDRs I need your help - Crispy Dolphin Heat Bug

[Kenneth McGrew]

It seems we now have to vote to get our bugs fixed and if they're not voted for frontier can just sweep them under the carpet, The particular bug i am trying to get some attention for is the Dolphin heat bug.

Now if anyone can help out by finding the appropriate links on this forum as the previous bug reports from February 2017, the developers posts confirming its an issues within those bug reports, and subsequently it was listed in the known issues log from 2.3 up until 3.0 (where it still was not fixed)

Google ironically still throws up the threads i want to link, but they're hidden within this car crash of a forum update, they're all top hits in google too, with many pages on Dolphin+heat+elite in the search terms

More screenshots here;

Spoiler: screenshots

And because im such a wonderful hoarder and prolific image poster i found this little chestnut;

So please CMDRs can you click on the link below and type in any old gibberish into the box to draw attention and "vote" for this bug which has been going on for 2 years to be finally FIXED

Click me - click me -------> https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/206 <--------- click me - click me

Dolphin pilots have been stuck with this for 2 years and its about time frontier fixed it (you will also see some other "known issues" in that list from March 2018 still in the game!)

Frontier if you're reading this, get the bug reports out from under the carpet and just dam well fix it, there is no need to start again with a new report on this, it's already a known issue and patience is wearing thin

videos;

Spoiler: More videos here

Thankyou for your support CMDRs - and of course i will vote / sign any other petition to get the basic bugs we shouldn't even have to vote on fixed

Once again please, please, please comment on it on the issue tracker.

 

[Kenneth McGrew]

one more log for the fire

 

[Jukelo]

And this is exactly why a voting system for bug reports is a terrible idea.

 

[Factabulous]

And this is exactly why a voting system for bug reports is a terrible idea.

Meh - for this bug it's ok - we only get 4 votes and I don't think there will be hundreds who will think this one of their top 4 bugbears.

Though if you're talking about brigading of the bug system in general - you have a point.

I do wonder if they should add a new subforum to replace the bug reporting ones - 'brigading' - otherwise DD will be flooded with pleas for help

 

[Morbad]

The dolphin has terrible vertical and lateral thrusters and a lowish thermal capacity. I'm highly doubtful that it's current state is bugged, even if it is problematic for many.

At this point, a 'fix' would require multiple fundamental aspects of the ship be changed, or a hack that lets the dolphin play by a special set of rules. I don't think I'd find either desirable really.

If you are going to use warm ships with bad thrusters over the surface of a planet, fly nice and level, or turn FA off.

 

[Jukelo]

Meh - for this bug it's ok - we only get 4 votes and I don't think there will be hundreds who will think this one of their top 4 bugbears.

Though if you're talking about brigading of the bug system in general - you have a point.

I do wonder if they should add a new subforum to replace the bug reporting ones - 'brigading' - otherwise DD will be flooded with pleas for help

It's already the second thread basically asking for support on a tracker issue in DD today, I hope BrettC comes up with a rule to keep this stuff to a minimum.

 

[Duck & Jenny]

Make Shadows Great Again! Vote for the Elephant Butt Leather bug!

Someday, when I can actually be bothered to report it for the 20th time....

 

[Mxpower76]

The heat is caused by your passenger's anger for being thrown around the cabin. It's a cruise ship after all and not a ski boat.

 

[Duck & Jenny]

The heat is caused by your passenger's anger for being thrown around the cabin. It's a cruise ship after all and not a ski boat.

Tell that to the NPC pilots of Orcas and Belugas - they are the worse passenger liner pilots I've ever seen! I'm pretty sure they've killed everyone on board with their constant boosting and turn-on-a-dime maneuvers.

 

[avow555]

The very reason I don't fly the Dolphin anymore.
However I do not agree with voting on which bug gets fixed, which is a ludicrous system.
I have come across gross incompetence with some companies but this is just insane.

 

[Mxpower76]

Tell that to the NPC pilots of Orcas and Belugas - they are the worse passenger liner pilots I've ever seen! I'm pretty sure they've killed everyone on board with their constant boosting and turn-on-a-dime maneuvers.

Landing on top of each other. Crashing into other ships. Stalling out in the station. Where's the regulation? Where's the training? Worst airlines ever.

 

[Kenneth McGrew]

And this is exactly why a voting system for bug reports is a terrible idea.

its a completely stupid system, but its been broken for 2 years after being acknowledged by Frontier as a bug, with frontier pandering to the voting system i am but just a sheep following examples.

it would be much better if Fdev got off their R's and fixed it then we wouldn't be compelled to make such threads.

The dolphin has terrible vertical and lateral thrusters and a lowish thermal capacity. I'm highly doubtful that it's current state is bugged, even if it is problematic for many.

At this point, a 'fix' would require multiple fundamental aspects of the ship be changed, or a hack that lets the dolphin play by a special set of rules. I don't think I'd find either desirable really.

If you are going to use warm ships with bad thrusters over the surface of a planet, fly nice and level, or turn FA off.

Frontier confirmed it is a bug - evidence in the OP

 

[Dutchman141]

This bug was confirmed by Fdev and should have been fixed long time ago.
I signed your bug report.

 

[Duck & Jenny]

The dolphin has terrible vertical and lateral thrusters and a lowish thermal capacity. I'm highly doubtful that it's current state is bugged, even if it is problematic for many.

The Dolphin is one of my favorite ships (except for the horrible EBL effect, both inside and out). I rarely have problems with heating, even on planets. That said, I've built it to be a cold smuggling machine (normal heat leaving a station is 15). HOWEVER, on rare occasion the heat skyrockets when flying normally over a planet for no apparent reason at all, the same planet that doesn't cause this problem other times. I think this is a bug. I don't know if it's the same bug that the OP is reporting however, due to the very low frequency of its occurrence.

 

[Morbad]

Frontier confirmed it is a bug - evidence in the OP

I'm suspicious of Frontier's confirmation, mostly because I cannot envision how the Dolphin wouldn't cook itself if the same rules regarding thruster performance, thruster thermal load, and heat capacity, apply to it the same way as they do for every other ship in the game.

The Dolphin doesn't have any laterally firing thrusters. It moves sideways by grace of dorsal thrusters that are angled out maybe a few degrees. The sort of overload they'd need to be operating at for FA to work via the planetary landing suite would need to be extreme to keep the ship from falling out of the sky, even on the lowest g worlds.

There may well be a bug, but if so, it's likely tied to the ship model itself...which could explain why it's still around.

Edit: To clarify, I do think that the heat levels reached while manuvering on planets with the ship is unintended by Frontier, but that the underlying mechanisms responsible are working exactly as they should, and that to fix the heat, they will either need a sloppy kludge, or a modification to the ship's model.

 

[GJ51]

I vote that they actually fix the OLDEST bugs first, unless, of course, a game breaking bug takes priority.

Yeah - the Dolphin bug is right in there...

 

[M00ka]

Would be hypocritical of me to vote, don't own a dolphin, have no intention of owning a dolphin.

But I would recommend those that do own a dolphin vote as this must be a major gamebreaking bug going by the number of posts from the OP on it.

 

[Kenneth McGrew]

FWIW - Flying a dolphin on a planet executing the same turns, early in the video its like a hot cake, after 1:00 its cool as a cucumber doing the same turns, even with boost its fine, then the bug comes back at the end of video

you can replicate it just by messing about on a planet quite easy to do and also turn without it overheating as well, which suggests definite bug, engineering low emissions PP and clean thrusters make no difference other than your starting temperature, it will still overheat as per the video.

 

[Duck & Jenny]

I have some bad news for you, OP. I would be the first to up-vote your bug, but where I'm not bothering to report any more bugs until the next game patch, I'm just not motivated to go through yet another Captcha hell to log into yet another Frontier "forum" to vote or confirm anything.

I wasted ridiculous amounts of time reporting, documenting, and "filming" bugs using the old system, only to have those bugs ignored for months and months, eventually to "archived" alongside the Lost Ark in Warehouse 13. I'm beginning to think the whole process is just a waste of time, at least on my (cough abandoned cough) platform. Sorry man, I feel your pain, but if Frontier actually cared about our bugs, they would have fixed them by now.

 

[Duck & Jenny]

If you've reported a bug once, it should be easy to just copy/paste the bug report in again.

I've done this for multiple updates, and frankly, I'm tired of it. A bug report should only be archived when it's fixed or deemed unreproducible. I think I may have reached the point where I no longer care, at least not enough to dance through the hoops of this new bug reporting system..